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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:08, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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Werner Schneyder
Werner Schneyder in 2012
... that Werner Schneyder (pictured) performed political cabaret programs with Dieter Hildebrandt and commentated on boxing at the 1984 Summer Olympics on television?Source: [1]
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to comeZond 5 - Comment: our hook size is not compatible with him who described himself as allround amateur
- Reviewed:
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC).
Full review to follow, but what do you think of the following ALT?
- ALT1
... that cabaret singer Werner Schneyder (pictured) commentated on boxing at the 1984 Summer Olympics on television?
- ALT1
- Looking at the article, it seems that he did both singing and sports commentating, but that contrast in careers might be more interesting to general audiences than performing cabarets alone. csdnew01:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- He was legendary in Kabarett, - is that different from cabaret? Should we change links? Sports was rather "also", therefore I won't go for ALT1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure: as I mentioned before I am not very familiar with classical music, so I can't help out much on that end. With that said, you mentioned that you found that it would be difficult to emphasize his many careers in a hook. How about this suggestion then?
- ALT2
... that cabaret singer Werner Schneyder (pictured) also worked as a journalist, writer, actor, stage director, television presenter and sports reporter?
- ALT2
- Readers might find it interesting that he had several careers, at least. csdnew00:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- I found that interesting, therefore I made the original hook, with a focus on two pinnacles, rather than a multitude. - Can you tell me if we should prefer to link to Kabarett? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Not really sure but considering the lede only talks about cabaret, I suggest that the hook reflects that (meaning just stick to cabaret). csdnew00:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- For expanding the lead, I need to know if I should better link to Kabarett, implaying political satire, nit just entertainment. I thought cabaret is just a translation, but it seems to have a different meaning. Nothing about him has connection to classical music ;) - Happy Bach's birthday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- ps: do we have rules now which request that a hook fact has to be in the lead? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Before I can return to him, I have a full day of RL, want to expand an article about a Bach cantata, have to nominate a DYK or it will be too late, and was shocked by another death, expanded his article from stub at least. Sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- I reviewed now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Not really sure but considering the lede only talks about cabaret, I suggest that the hook reflects that (meaning just stick to cabaret).
- I found that interesting, therefore I made the original hook, with a focus on two pinnacles, rather than a multitude. - Can you tell me if we should prefer to link to Kabarett? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure: as I mentioned before I am not very familiar with classical music, so I can't help out much on that end. With that said, you mentioned that you found that it would be difficult to emphasize his many careers in a hook. How about this suggestion then?
- He was legendary in Kabarett, - is that different from cabaret? Should we change links? Sports was rather "also", therefore I won't go for ALT1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)- csdnew03:32, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- I read the hooks and the discussion again. I came to think that we should say Kabarett (serious and political), not cabaret (light and entertaining), quote: "Unlike comedians who make fun of all kind of things, Kabarett artists (German: Kabarettisten) pride themselves as dedicated almost completely to political and social topics of more serious nature which they criticize using techniques like cynicism, sarcasm and irony." - I am sure that "singer" is misleading, - a master of the sharp written and spoken word he was, not a singer so much. Sorry for not noticing that sooner. So here's mine, revised:
- ALT3: ... that Werner Schneyder (pictured) performed political kabarett programs with Dieter Hildebrandt and commentated on television on boxing at the 1984 Summer Olympics?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- ALT3 looks good, but the part about the Summer Olympics is not cited inline. I changed "cabaret" to "kabarett" throughout the article. Yoninah (talk) 11:07, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- ref added --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
