Template talk:Mexican Drug War
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Los Negros
Los Negros are missing. 97.124.255.168 (talk) 06:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Los Negros are the armed wing of the sinaloa cartel; they are not "a cartel" like Los Zetas are. Anyway, I made an additional note under Sinaloa Cartel. Thank you! talk) 14:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)]
- Thank you for updating the switch of alliances of the Beltran Leyva + La Barbie + Los Negros.
- All I found about the Antrax gunmen are songs; not a good supporting reference. --talk) 05:34, 24 December 2009 (UTC)]
Los Zetas turn on the Gulf Cartel
When someone is arrested or killed, I do not think we should remove them from the template.
I see that Sergio Villarreal Barragán was removed from the list today, after his arrest. I am concerned that this practice will dismantle the knowledge that is represented in the template. We need some way to represent "disabled members" or "former members" for each group.
Maybe when a person is dead/arrested/retired, their name goes into italics -- and we make that clear at the top of the template? 128.59.180.159 (talk) 03:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- That is a good idea. I will get into it. Thanks, --talk) 13:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)]
- That is a good idea. I will get into it. Thanks, --
- Sweet! Fantastic work. (Also, it's nice to see how many individuals are dead and arrested!) -128.59.180.159, perhaps on a new IP as 128.59.181.59 (talk) 15:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- People keep putting dead leaders as if they are still in charge. If they are dead, how can they be a leader?
- If you read the template someday, you will see this at the top: "Names in italics represent dead or arrested individuals." --talk) 17:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)]
- If you read the template someday, you will see this at the top: "Names in italics represent dead or arrested individuals." --
I added in the word current before the leaders. Dead or extradited leaders should not go here. It is for the current capos. When a person is killed or extradited remove them. If they are running the show from jail, or suspected to be, leave them. I find it annoying that Amado Carrillo Fuentes was listed as the leader of the Juarez Cartel when he has (all conspiracy theories aside) been dead for thirteen years. Osiel is in prision in the U.S. Nacho is dead. I took them off the template. And I like the Italics system, but a dead guy is not a leader. Put them in Italics and put them with the founders of a cartel, if they were founders. Osiel, for example is neither a founder or a current leader. This will not dismante the knowledge, it will keep it current. Besides if Amado is listed as a leader why not Pablo Acosta etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.177.8.250 (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Incorrect in all accounts. The navigation template does not have to be limited to current leaders. Past leaders are mentioned in italics; this format is very clear and and provides historical information of the cartel leadership. Reducing information by excluding these names does not serve, as ex-leaders like Osiel Cardenas, Gallardo, Quintero, Palma, Garcia Abrego, etc. whether alive, dead or in jail, prompted the mess we see today, therefore they will remain in the template (italized) for their historic value.
- To answer your other questions, Amado was not a founder, and he became the leader only after assasinating his boss and founder Rafael Aguilar Guajardo. Pablo Acosta has always been listed as a past Juarez cartel leader. Cheers, --talk) 14:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)]
- Update: According to Beith, Malcolm (2010). The Last Narco. New York, New York: Grove Press. pp. 47. talk) 14:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)]
Luis Fernando Arellano Félix
BatteryIncluded: You recently removed his name from the template stating that he is not wanted by U.S. or Mexican authorities and does not appear to be involved in cartel activities. However, at least one credible article states that Mexican authorities believe the cartel is being run by sister of the brothers, Enedina, and her son Luis. Obviously thats not a definitive "Yes," but very few things regarding top-level traffickers in Mexico are (at least in public record). Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7692319.stm jlcoving (talk) 22:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
- Hello. Please note that Luis Fernando Arellano Félix and Luis Fernando Sánchez Arellano (Enedina's son and new leader) are different individuals. I hope this resolves your question. Thanks, --talk) 22:22, 17 September 2010 (UTC)]
Origin of the Mexican cartels
I got detailed information from this book: Beith, Malcolm (2010). The Last Narco. New York, New York: Grove Press. p. 47.
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The book is well sourced and has been reviewed by expert George Grayson. The information seems very reliable. --
- Good book, I went and got it yesterday. Thanks for recommendation, I had no idea there was a book out about El Chapo (in English).jlcoving (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Redundant notice?
Is there any particular reason why the "(Names in italics represent dead or arrested individuals)" notice is at both the top and bottom of the template? It seems a bit redundant. I suggest that this notice should be removed from the bottom of the template to make it look cleaner. Wingman4l7 (talk) 01:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Done --
Needs to be updated
This needs to be updated to include CIDA, Cartel de Beltran Leyva is now known as CPS, Templarios have splintered from La Familia, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.233.42 (talk) 22:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Redlinks to named "corrupt" individuals
It's a bad idea for us to have links to individuals we're identifying as "corrupt" and not have articles (with reliable sources, naturally) that support the claims that they can fairly be described as such. Right now the template lists three "corrupt officials" with redlinks for their articles:
Do we have articles for these folks (perhaps under different spellings of their name)? If not, we need to remove the redlinks until we have articles, due to our obligations under
- Done. talk) 17:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC)]
Should this book be added? I'm pretty sure this is the only book of the Mexican Drug War on Wikipedia.
- Why not? talk) 03:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)]
Journalists killed
I placed the '
- Under the 'massacres' section is fine. It keeps it a lot more organized, IMO. talk) 01:46, 20 May 2012 (UTC)]
Current Gulf Cartel leader?
We need to find references to who is the current Gulf Cartel leader. The template lists: Osiel Cárdenas Guillén, Antonio Cárdenas Guillén, Jorge Eduardo Costilla Sánchez,
but they alll have been neutralized.
- Sorry for the late reply. I didn't catch it on my watchlist till now.
- Nothing is known for sure, but talk) 08:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)]