Template talk:Trump family

This template was considered for deletion on 2016 December 24. The result of the discussion was "keep".

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Navigation boxes are for articles, not just to list tons of non-notable entries. This template only has a few actual article, so what purpose does it serve? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:10, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I removed non-article entries. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And there is no reason for the template if it's this short, all other presidential templates have family included, so this size template should probably be merged with {{Donald Trump}} per site consistency. Randy Kryn 15:24, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's fine, because the main template will grow and presidency issues wouldn't be very relevant to the articles about individual family members who are notable for other things than happening to be part of the president's family. — JFG ^talk 14:04, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This template includes Frederick Trump and his wife Elizabeth in the "first generation" group (notwithstanding the fact that they weren't the first generation of the family), but Donald Trump is included in the "third generation" and his wives are, quite oddly, included in the "fourth generation" as if they belong to a different generation than their husband and are his children! --Tataral (talk) 17:11, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Tataral: You're right, I made it clearer with just two groups and clear descendancy lines. — JFG ^talk 14:01, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now that,

• Not included, since we have no page for him at the present, although that may change because of notability, he should also not be red-linked here. Red links on templates usually imply that Wikipedia seeks and would welcome a competent article on the subject, and a new page on this subject is neither sought nor would stand at the present time. Full disclosure: I think that this template is redundant, because the {{Donald Trump}} template already covers these topics and per the rest of the US presidential templates. Randy Kryn 15:25, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We're not talking about a red link here:

Barron Trump is a blue link to the relevant section of Family of Donald Trump and it's perfectly fine that way. — JFG ^talk 22:13, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply

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• Oppose inclusion the purpose of navboxes is to guide readers through topics that already have articles. There isn't really anything to navigate with for someone who doesn't have a page. It isn't any less informative for readers to exclude subjects without articles. I also agree with Randy's comments on this template being redundant. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Obvious included, Include as no link or blue link to family, so readers are aware that Donald has a child with Melania, otherwise the chart is incomplete. It is called Family of Donald Trump which Barron is a member. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 15:03, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support inclusion - This would seem to be rather straightforward and I'm surprised there's even a debate about it. I agree with the rationale presented by JFG and Valoem. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:30, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Include name, when people click on
  Barron Trump is blue or not, or questions about whether the content covering Barron Trump is a 'real' fullblown article or not, to make this decision. It should be based on what the sources usually do, when they cover members of the "family of Donald Trump". As for the comments about redundancy, I supported the reverse solution -- keep this template as-is whilst cutting out the redundant portion of the Donald Trump template because it was already covered in THIS template properly -- over at the discussion about said redundancy. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply
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