User:Doug Coldwell/Sandboxes/Archive 10

Template:Did you know nominations/William Calvin Chase, Washington Bee

Doug, there are significant issues with the nomination of the William Calvin Chase article, enough so that I have had to strike all the proposed hooks, and question a notable assertion in the article. Can you please look into the issues I've raised and supply a new hook? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. All 3 of us are aware of the issues and are working on solutions behind the scenes. Hopefully in a day or 2 we will have the answers and another new hook!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Doug, I know you have been working on this DYK. My apologies for having been working on other things over the past week. I have now added some citations for: (a) Chase's vote as a RNC delegate for Taft in 1912; and (b) Chase's death in 1921. In the course of research I discovered that Chase had been posthumously honored by a D.C. Council resolution, so I added that also. Bigturtle (talk) 05:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Great Bigturtle. I do believe you are on your way to a DYK.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

If that is the case, it will be your doing more than mine. Bigturtle (talk) 01:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Lunar sample displays articles.

I see that you are editing on many of those currently, so I wanted to contact you first instead of running risk of edit conflicts. The "See also" sections of most of those articles were unnecessarily overburdened/bulky, so I created the {{Lunar sample displays}} navbox to handle that. I have put that in some articles already, but wanted to let you know that it was there if you are creating more of those articles. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 15:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I am going out to lunch for a couple of hours. There will not be any edit conflicts during this time then. No, I have created the 30 articles that I am using in a 30-in-1 DYK nomination. I like your new Template to cover the See also articles. It certainly is a better way to do handle this. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Re:email

Sorry no, I sort of retired from DYK (submitting, reviewing, prep composing - all, maybe except for routine maintenance in the queues and archives). I might return some day, who knows, but not now. Materialscientist (talk) 10:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Me too, sorry but not involved with DYK anymore. Davewild (talk) 19:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I came to do some reviewing, but I see that all the articles have already been looked at. Good to see DYK working! Warofdreams talk 00:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Warofdreams - thanks for the offer of help. We had some editors that really jumped in and Reviewed the remaining articles. It looks like things are going along normally - but IF I need additional help I'll call on you (a DYK expert).--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Ditto; I got the email but arrived too late. Sorry I couldn't have been more helpful! Canadian Paul 15:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Lunar displays

Thanks for the compliment. If you like ALT3, the hook fact must be quoted and cited in each article. Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll do it! Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

BTW, in most articles the hook fact is already there when it talks about the moon rocks going missing or being stolen. Yoninah (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

So, I really don't have to do anything?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope. Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

O.K. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Could you please delete all those "Fate" sections you added to individual states? It should only be in the main Apollo 11 & Apollo 17 lunar samples display pages. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Will do! Finish removing by tomorrow.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the moon rock! I'm going over all the articles to make them DYK-worthy. There is a lot of repetition in these articles. I have a question about the California lunar sample displays page: If the museum housing them burned down and the California Apollo 17 lunar sample display was damaged, what happened to the California Apollo 11 lunar sample display? The Robert Pearlman page just says the latter is housed at the San Diego Air & Space Museum without saying anything about it being damaged when the Electric Building burned down. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• I have a contact at the San Diego Air & Space Museum. I'll ask him.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 00:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

• Also, do you have any sources for why the artifacts were moved to the Air & Space Museum? Yoninah (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• Forgot your e-mail address, but drop me a note and I will send you several PDF's on above.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 00:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

• OK, we don't have to go into such detail about the second point. Let's just clear up the first point, OK? Yoninah (talk) 00:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

• Just sent off an e-mail to him. Suspect I'll get an answer in a couple of days.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 00:46, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Answer from curator of museum:

Doug,
Our three moon rock items, two from Apollo 17 and one from Apollo 11, are now housed in a single exhibit. Not sure if this answers Wiki’s questions or not but I will be happy to send you a photo or two of the display if you think it would help.

Terry Brennan

Curator/Director of Restoration

San Diego Air and Space Museum

2001 Pan American Plaza

San Diego, CA 92101

www.sandiegoairandspace.org

I asked him for a couple of photos of the current display. He uploads pictures to Flickr "No Known Copyright Restrictions". If they look good, which they probably will, I'll add to the California article.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:06, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You're doing an amazing investigative journalism job! Yoninah (talk) 21:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

11/15/2012 6 P.M. EST - Answer from curator of museum:

Doug,
I sent the photos to Alan Renga who manages the museum’s Flikr account. He will be out until the 26th at which point I expect he will put them up.

Terry Brennan

Curator/Director of Restoration

San Diego Air and Space Museum

2001 Pan American Plaza

San Diego, CA 92101

www.sandiegoairandspace.org

• That should help answer some questions.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for William Calvin Chase

On 15 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Calvin Chase, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that William Calvin Chase took over the Washington Bee in 1882 and turned it into "one of the most influential African American newspapers in the country"? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Oregon lunar sample displays

Hi, Could you please clear up the end of the History section? The offline source you used says the Oregon Apollo 17 lunar plaque display is missing, but Robert Pearlman says it's on permanent exhibit in Portland. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I copyedited for clarification. The Apollo 17 plaque display was just thought to be missing, when in fact it was not. The way I understand it is that it was other "moon rocks" and NOT the Apollo 17 plaque display (the gifted moon rock) that were missing. The reference article reads

The Statesman Journal received an inquiry from one of Gutheinz' students, a detective from the Montclair (Calif.) Police Department. The governor's office received an inquiry from another, a woman in Michigan.

Both mentioned tales of a former University of Oregon professor, now deceased, who might have had Oregon's Apollo 17 moon rocks in his possession but lost them.

My call to a professor in the university's geological sciences department clarified that the moon rocks the students were referring to actually were those NASA gave to three Oregon scientists to analyze, not the gift rocks.

I reworded the Wikipedia Oregon article to read

The Oregon Apollo 17 "goodwill moon rock" commemorative gifted plaque display was thought to be missing.

Will that work?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, it reads fine now.

BTW, I may have made a mistake going through the articles by referring to the Apollo 17 "goodwill moon rocks" display plaque instead of the Apollo 17 "goodwill moon rock" display plaque. I'm really tired now and can't go through all 30 articles again. Could you put this on your to-do list? :) Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Uh oh. (I have really been burning the midnight oil going over all 30 articles.) As you go through the articles, please change display plaque to plaque display. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Will do.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Netherlands lunar sample displays

I just edited the History section of this page. On all other pages you make the distinction between the "Netherlands Apollo 11 "goodwill moon rocks" display plaque" and the "Netherlands Apollo 17 lunar sample display", but here it's a bit confusing which one the Rijksmuseum and Drees are talking about. Please check over my edits to this section. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:12, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Will do.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

It so happens the reference #1 reads

(With exception to the plaque for Venezuela: it was discovered that the nation's flag was not flown aboard the Apollo 11 spacecraft. Instead, a flag carried on Apollo 12 was used with the wording: "This flag of your nation was carried to the moon and back, and this fragment of the moon's surface was brought to Earth by the crew of the first manned lunar landing.")

- so apparently the flag was NOT flown to the moon and back on Apollo 11.

Doesn't the source refer to Venezuela, not Netherlands? Yoninah (talk) 16:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I may very well be misreading this. So how you seeing reference #1 then is that the Venezuela flag was not flown on the Apollo 11 mission (but on Apollo 12) and the Netherlands flag WAS flown on the Apollo 11 mission? I'll go along with your interpretation and you can change the article accordingly. Whichever way you see it, is fine with me since you are a professional editor. Make the changes accordingly. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, I edited the Netherlands history according to the sources. Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

See the You Tube video at External links for pictures of the real displays. It helps if you know Dutch. My wife is from Groningen. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: the screenshot. I suggest you ask at the Commons village pump for licensing information. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Quarter or half-dollar?

All the articles talk about the Apollo 11 plastic ball as being the size of an American half-dollar, except Oregon, North Carolina, New York, New Jersey, New Mexico, Netherlands, and Romania, which say it was the size of an American quarter. Is there a mistake here? Yoninah (talk) 23:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Let me look further into this tomorrow. I should have an answer then.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Made them all read "coin". Does that look good?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. And thanks so much for the barnstar! I've gotten more barnstars for this one DYK nomination than I have for a year! :) Yoninah (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Justin Butterfield

Hi Doug, I have left a message for you on my page re: emendation of DYK 'hook' for Justin Butterfield. Thank you. Bigturtle (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Apollo 11 lunar sample display

Graeme Bartlett (talk