User talk:Alison/Archive 10

) 06:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Happy Alison's day!

I've officially declared today as your special day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Allie! Phaedriel 02:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on your special day! --Kyoko 19:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm honestly lost for words here. I ... don't know what to say, and that's unusual for me. Thank you so much, Phaedriel! We need an International Phaedriel WikiMonth, methinks :) - Alison ☺ 19:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC) (ps: boink! - finally emailed ya)

Special:Contributions/Crabbycritter. If you check the unblock notice on his talk page he's using the same IP that's been used by RMS many a time, and his edits are the usual ones. Have a prize for all the hard work! Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the tiger - he's awesome :) Re.
  Kinko's who's just getting caught in RMS' collateral damage. I'll keep a close watch but will AGF here. Note that the autoblock will shut them out for quite a while anyway. Thanks again! - Alison ☺
  19:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• If you check today's edits the only article out of the ones he edited that hasn't been edited by RMS very recently was Louisa Acheson, Countess of Gosford, so my good faith is stretched somewhat. It seems highly coincidental to me, but it's your decision obviously... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• Ok - I've seen enough [1] [2] - indefblocked again! - Alison ☺ 20:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks. Looks like I'm getting better at spotting them than you then ;) One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• Also, there's this ANI report you may not have seen. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• And another 1-week block. *sigh* - Alison ☺ 00:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Alison, for your constructive comments in frying my brain , of course. Thank you once more, · AndonicO Talk

• Glad you got through the trial of fire. Welcome to the chaos!!! - Alison ☺ 19:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Alison, I was wondering if you could visit Drought for me. More specifically, please note this diff[3]. I did not revert it as I am trying to not move into the space of edit warring. I might be misinterpreting/misunderstanding the edits of the user. Thus, I am asking you to look it over for me. I ran into this while RC patrolling. It seems to me that the editor in question does not agree with the statement for "political" reasons (his/her wording), despite the fact that it is included with citations. Anyways, I will leave it be now. Thanks for considering this issue. Best, --Kukini ^{hablame aqui} 20:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• I took a look & they've reverted three times now. Their rationale is vague and I don't like their threat of revert-warring. Frankly, I see no issues with the text and cites they removed and suspect their reasons. I've reverted to the included version and left a second-level 3RR warning on their talk page, as well as exhorting them to discuss the matter rather than resorting to reversions/threats - Alison ☺ 20:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks much, Alison. I just didn't want to get caught up in anything bordering on edit warring. I noticed above that today is your day. Happy INTL Alison Day!!! --Kukini ^{hablame aqui} 21:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Allie, I just deleted the last surviving article on

Woohoo!!! Good job, dude. Must have felt good to delete that last backlog date category :) - Alison ☺ 21:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned out

Anthony.bradbury

23:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Allie, that is the first award I have ever had. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.--

• Custom-made just for you :) - Alison ☺ 22:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Justin Sanford - I don't think he gets it.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I deleted it again but didn't add it to the SALT list. Not for a userpage. Instead, I added {{deletedpage}} and fully-protected it. I'd rather the guy was given the chance to promise not to do it again & then let him edit it again. It's been through two (count 'em) MfDs and six deletions already - Alison ☺ 22:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I know, I did both the MfDs and most of the tagging for speedy deletion. The second one had to be done for the slightly bizarre reason that the newer version of the page didn't have an infobox but the earlier one did. He has a breathtaking zero mainspace edits since he created his account as well, apart from his attempts to create the oft deleted Jeff Sanford page in mainspace. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

5 db-bios, no less. Full marks for tenacity, though - Alison ☺ 22:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I would quite like to meet you, but California is outside my range. Do you ever come back over the Pond?--

Next time your back I would also like to book you for a date! Ryan Postlethwaite 00:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

LOL!!! Guys!! :)

I'm back in Ireland in June/July for about 2 weeks, is all. Wedding I need to attend - Alison ☺ 00:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

As I go to bed, California comes home from work and starts vandalising. Such is life. Goodnight.--

"School". For sake of sanity and my faith in the world. I hope that's "come home from school"... WjBscribe 00:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Given the nature of the edits that we get, I'm afraid that I did mean "come home from work". Sorry about your sanity.--

Anthony.bradbury

23:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I could come over to Ireland at the end of June, if you favoured the idea. You can fail to give a location if you don't. And Ryan, I thought of it first.--

Hi, just wanted to let you know that it appears that the "expiry=2 weeks" parameter always means the template refers to a date 2 weeks in the future, it doesn't stay fixed at 2 weeks after protection. If you use it, you need to specify an actual date (e.g. "expiry=May 15"). Editors of Patel were a little confused when IP editors started editing again... WjBscribe 00:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, I gave up on doing that .. oh, about two weeks back. :) *blushes* yet again. There's a whole complex subst string which needs to be typed in for it to calculate an absolute date. - Alison ☺ 00:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Two weeks back? Makes sense :-). I see your point- I have no idea what {{pp-semi-vandalism|expiry={{subst:#time:F j, Y|+7 days}}}} means... WjBscribe 00:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Me neither. Which is why I'm hacking on Steel's script at the mo'. I want to have a semi and full-prot script which allows you to specify the duration and automagically puts in that subst junk. Right now, that thing is unusable so I just use the indefinite one and let DumbBOT pick up the slack - Alison ☺ 00:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

By now, you should know what that means, Allie ;) Hugs, Phaedriel - 03:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Whoops. Thanks for putting that template in for me. :P --Dookama 03:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I am concerned that wikipedia is patrolled by book-burners. I do discuss thank you very much. Many article-protectors do not. I thought that wikipedia was about facts but I am starting to wonder.--Grinning Idiot 15:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

• Glad to hear you discuss! However, you also revert-war and yesterday, you came perilously close to a 24-hour block for same. I note from the talk page that, though you have a genuine concern for US-centric bias in the above article, you also are being rude and argumentative, which is not helping matters and that you have still failed to-date to justify continually removing those cites. Now, you've made veiled accusations of book-burning; a very nasty accusation indeed. See where I'm going with this? - Alison ☺ 15:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I have already posted my resignation on "drought" to the drought discussion page. My accusation was nasty, but I make no apologies (I do believe that there are people out there who see WP as their chance to change history to the way they wanted it to be). To those who remove my contributions without debate I say, re-write history as you see fit. I won't stand in your way. And Alison, if you think my biggest problem was "US-centric", my concerns are justified. I will not contribute to the "drought" article further despite it being poor. Wikipedia has lost credibility - such a shame. BTW, if you read my contributions to the drought discussion page, you will see that all I ever wanted was a quality article. Also, please let me know if you think the article is up to scratch. Considering the effort I have put into this, I am curious to see if I am dealt with like a mindless vandal.--Grinning Idiot 12:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison - Are you at all concerned that wikipedia is losing credibility? I thought it was great until I realised that people protected articles. They defend them like their own children! I really wanted to get involved. I thought that wikipedia was the way of information in the future. I have now seen that there is no reality on wikipedia. Only opinion with authority. I will not use wikipedia to gather information anymore. My fear is that others will. Wikipedia should never be a genuine source of information. --Grinning Idiot 15:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, even though they had not got their final warning I did check their contribs and they had vandalismed 4+ times today so I thought it be necessary, the obviously knew they would be blocked as they have been blocked before because of this, would this be alright if I do it in the future because they will know that they will be blocked if they have been blocked previously.

• I think you should give them a certain due process. At worst, use {{
  bv}} from the get-go. I wouldn't normally block a page-blanking vandal without the bare minimum. Also, I strongly recommend you report to AIV factually or people will start to doubt the veracity of your reports!! - Alison ☺
  15:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Lsi john 16:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

• I'd love to help, but am kinda snowed-under right now. Can you wait a few days? If not, try asking another admin or maybe putting {{
  helpme}} on your talk page. Sorry - working overtime here this week :) - Alison ☺
  01:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

My (Selket's) RfA

Thank you, Alison, for your support on my recent RfA, which recently passed 54/1/1. I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations. I will certainly take the constructive criticism I recieved to heart. Please, if you have any comments or complaints about my actions as an administrator, leave a note on my talk page. Thank you again· --Selket Talk 18:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

One of those nights, eh?

Thanks for the reverts (again) :O) Flowerpotman talk|contribs 00:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

And thank you Flowerpotman for reverting the vandalism on MY page. Alison has just blocked

Amatulic

00:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, also, for the revert, Amatulic :) Appreciate it - Alison ☺ 00:48, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. And I'm crazy-busy right now. Silly, penis obsessed vandals ... - Alison ☺ 00:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed, if you look at the edit history for

Why not write your congressman? 172.164.173.114 01:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)FLIPOPOPOP

• Comment, Hey there folks, I work at AOL. We have a section that deals with the tracing of IP addresses. Everything is logged, so there is no problem matching a user with the IP. This is normally undertaken at the request of law enforcement agencies. Don't push too far, or you could end up on a law enforcement database! Aolworker 12:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Another AOL vandal IP. Just vandalized

Amatulic

01:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Not any longer. Vandal IP blocked 3 hours. Tiny article now semi-protected 2 weeks. It's endured a ridiculous amount of juvenile vandalism. This page also semi'd for 3 hours to allow the AOL vandals a little time to get their homework done - Alison ☺ 01:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Alison. You didn't have to spend valuable time correcting my userpage as well, but much appreciated. I wouldn't mind an indef semi-protect on my userpage (in fact, I'm surprised this isn't a policy for all user pages; why should anons be able to edit them?) -

Amatulic

01:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Woops, it's back!

Amatulic

01:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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It's back, but I hesitate to post the article name here, for obvious reasons. You should be able to rapidly find it on new pages, under the number that starts with 9. Philippe 05:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks. Got two of them. 10:30pm and I'm at the day job trying to code. So don't need this ... - Alison ☺ 05:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Totally understand - totally. You're really really fast about getting them. Thanks for that. Know that all of us non-admin types are getting frustrated, too, and love that you're reacting so quickly. Philippe 05:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I know! It's crazy. Four now in as many minutes. 4 article prots. 3 users indefblocked. sigh - Alison ☺ 05:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

There's a talk page that starts with Talk:09 running out there too - I tagged it for speedy also, but that one may not get caught for a while because it's in Talk... Philippe 05:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Much as I hate to bug you with this one too... a user that I warned for creating it (User:Joeloveslego) has just issued me a creation warning for it. Anything you can do about him? Philippe 05:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I came very close to blocking him 5 mins ago for recreating the same NN article 3 times in 20 mins. Consider it done - Alison ☺ 05:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC) (found the talk page, thanks :) )

OK, thank you! i'm stepping away, for the sake of my blood pressure. <Grin> Philippe 05:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Phillipe. Go!! Quick!! Before it starts up again :) - Alison ☺ 05:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't seem that fully protecting the Kevin Rose article is appropriate. The level of activity on that article is low enough still that it would likely be rejected had it been requested in RFPP on any "normal" kind of day. --Auto^{(talk / contribs)} 12:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I've reduced it to semi. See how it goes ... - Alison ☺ 15:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I just wondered why you deleted my 'Aportace' article within 7 or so minutes of it going up? I see the reason for deletion was 'No Context'. Well, thanks for jumping in like an eager puppy and deleting it before I got to add that context (some articles on bicycle components for bike mechanics).

If it's all going to be a fight against overeager admins I don't think I'll bother.

If you're going to be a stickler for rules then please reread the criteria for speedy deletion page and you'll see that in the notes for CSD A1 it says to do the courtesy of adding a note in the users talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Wallis (talk • contribs)

• Nick, it was a single line long - this line; "An aportace is a type of spring used on a bicycle quick release skewer.". Nothing else. It's not referenced, it's got not content, nothing. In fact, at best, it sounds more like a dicdef and could maybe have a place on wiktionary. - Alison ☺ 08:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

• I have to go to sleep... can you watch this article for a little bit? Kataimiko (talk · contribs) is repeatedly adding a horribly written fanfic-style section to this article despite my warnings to her. Her only previous additions were personal attacks against the dub voice actress of Naruto so I doubt she'll listen to reason. JuJube 08:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
  • It's 1:30 am here and I've to be up in 5 hours. I can't!! Sorry ... :( - Alison ☺ 08:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC) (still at work)

... brain totally melted on the whole DVD-HD issue. 2am here - so much for wikibreaks. Night all! :) - Alison ☺ 08:48, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Get off the comp already and get some rest, you wikimaniac! :) Sweet dreams! Phaedriel - 09:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Phaedriel - my brain is so toasted here :) Check the delete logs - it's been a crazy night. BTW - I must write to you but my brain is equally frazzled in that department, too. But .... thank you so much for what you said. It means more than you could ever know - Alison ☺ 09:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, you did a fantastic job in handling the hex code madness! You deserve a shiny barnstar!

		The Original Barnstar
		A well-deserved barnstar for staying up late and protecting Wikipedia. :) MahangaTalk 16:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, excellent work. --Alabamaboy 16:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Aye. And, in case you missed it, Jimbo's comment on the protection of HD DVD [4]. WjBscribe 01:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison

The editing of DD Form 214 has happened again. He added a link to a pdf with company logo and phone #. Can you correct it.

Thanks

Steve Jones —The preceding

 Done - reverted and warned against spamming. It's the same guy back again - Alison ☺ 19:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, you dont know how much they mean to me! Best of luck to you too, I think I'll like my new account! Best regards, Tellyaddict 15:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• No problem. Look forward to seeing you around again :) - Alison ☺ 18:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alison, I was doing some RC work and I saw this diff regardinga block of a school IP. The text of the block message indicates a one week block, while the text of the edit summary indicates a one month block. This is one of those shared IPs that seems to be more trouble than good, so block it as long as you want. I mainly wanted to let you know about the difference between the edit summary & the text of the talk page message. --Ssbohio 18:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note! I meant for a 1-week block, which they got and which their block message states. However, my edit summary got auto-filled and I hit return just that little bit too fast. Ooops :) - Alison ☺ 18:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: 199.216.98.34 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

This user has made four, not three, edits to Wikipedia today, and eight since the 27 April block expired -- all of them vandalizing. I did not leave a fresh final warning on this user's talk page after his or her previous block expired because it has been my experience that each final block negates all final blocks preceding it. ("How come you gave him a final warning when he already has a final warning? You should've just reported him, etc.") Out of this IPvandal's 101 edits, I have determined, based on a random sampling, that approximately 0 of them have been constructive.

It is more likely that the sun will explode this afternoon than that this user will turn out to have deserved the benefit of the doubt. If you want to go letter-of-the-law on this, there are a grand total of five warnings on the user's talk page (including mine), which explicitly state that the user will be blocked without further warning if disruptive edits continue. These warnings date back to last October.

All I ask is that a long-term (semi-permanent is too much to hope for) block on anonymous editing from the IP address be imposed. Is this possible, or will the vandal be allowed to continue wasting our time into the forseeable future on slow days at his or her public works department office in scenic Alberta? --Dynaflow 19:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Well, here's my take on it. The address is a shared IP and, while their contributions have been abyssmal to-date, I can't just block them because of something they may do. At the very least, they deserve a final warning here. I don't want to give a confirmed shared IP a long-term block without a little due process here. It's not a simple AIV case and, for that reason, you might want to bring it to
  WP:ANI and state that the AIV report was turned down by myself. That way, other admins will get a look-in and decide accordingly. - Alison ☺
  19:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you take a look at this before it gets complicated and let me know what you think? [5] It pertains to box colors for a now deceased MLB baseball player. I've asked another editor to engage in dialogue over it, but he seems more interested in a revert war. Given the strong feeling of De ja vu, I thought I'd seek a 2nd opion before the thread gets long and boring. Rklawton 20:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• It's starting to get nasty and personal with one particular editor feeling victimised having previously been revert-warring. I've waded in and tried to mediate but don't fancy my chances. We'll see what happens. I have no experience of baseball whatsoever, so this should be interesting - Alison ☺ 21:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Two quick questions before I consider this a job well done. Would it be helpful if every WP:RFPP response asked for an (optional) extra comment (as opposed to just 'declined' and 'note')? And would it be felpful if every article protection tag button asked for an expiry? –

• Ummm. I think it's just great right now. I just fixed a minor typo in the edit summary of 'note', is all. One thing - for consistency, it's probably best to remove the period just after the {{RFPP}} as it's on some and not on others. A space instead would allow folks to just tidily add their sig. Oh, and a space after the edit summary would make it a weency bit easier to augment it with our own message. Hey - good job on the whole script. I use nothing else these days & I find it hard to remember which template for what. And as for the expiry date nonsense ... well, it's a godsend! - Alison ☺ 21:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Well, after wrestling with the "Full (other)" and "Semi (other)" tags for a while, I think that's everything all working now. I duplicated it to
  Steel
  23:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• It's excellent! I'll switch to the new name now.
  Start your spamming engines :) - Alison ☺
  23:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• I think I'll pounce on people I see editing WP:RFPP. –
  Steel
  00:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Good idea! - Alison ☺ 00:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my messup with the autoblocker and the such. The good news is I jsut got my internet set up at my new apartment so I will be able to fix things a litle better now! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't want to step on your toes or anything, just that it sounded kinda urgent & I noticed you weren't about :) - Alison ☺ 21:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, thank you for taking time to respond. I observe the tendentious editing frequently and across multiple articles. A series of edits will be made by one (or several editors) and Smee comes back and simply reverts the entire lot, and then re-edits back in what he wants in. Often this results in spelling errors (and other) being re-inserted.

He never abides by

It's weariesome.

The big difference in this case, from a month ago, I saw the offense, I reported it, and I'm done with it. I will no longer engage Smee on the edit warring and reverting level where he plays.

If wiki wants to pursue a warning, fine.. if not, thats fine too.

Thanks again. Peace in God. Lsi john 03:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

But can I get rid of his trolling when he's been blocked? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 05:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• My sock-o-meter has pinged into the red as this guy is making identical edits to a previous anon, far as I can see. Best off leaving the talk page comments be until it's resolved. I don't know enough of the history here to make a definitive call - Alison ☺ 05:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yamla and Tyrenius do. Basically any new account or IP that turns up on that page is likely to be Chadbryant. If you check this edit the IP changed the category, and much earlier the IP made this edit saying "Hi, Dink!". That on its own doesn't mean much, but you need to delve into the whole Chadbryant situation to know he had a constant thorn in his side using many many sockpuppets. The most recent example is on the Mike Knox article where they were going at it, with one adding a BLP violation about Chadbryant and the other removing it, see here. The diff where he used the "Dink" name to his adversary has since been oversighted, but you can see the aftermath on his talk page. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 05:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• Dink. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 05:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Mel Etitis/Chadbryant vandals might help as well. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 05:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Job done. Thanks for being patient with me. I needed to follow through properly - Alison ☺ 06:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)`

I don't mind being patient, as it's always better to check your facts than rush in and get it completely wrong, just ask

Betacommand ;) One Night In Hackney₃₀₃

06:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure I would have noticed myself, had I not been having some dinner. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 23:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuses, excuses. :) Special tonight is

Peking Duck - enjoy ... - Alison ☺

23:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

To be fair that's the same IP he was using before, so really you should have blocked it yesterday ;) One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 23:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, picky picky =:-) - Alison ☺ 23:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for tidying up my

) 07:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Dear Alison

Dear Alison, I hope you have a beautiful weekend, and I wish to see that friendly green sig of yours crossing paths with my own greenish one as often as possible :) Have a wonderful day! :) Phaedriel 09:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC) I dropped something in your mail.

WP:RFPP on WP:BAN

Replied there, with diffs of the deletion/restoration/deletion/restoration since unprotection. I realize this isn't all taking place within a 24-hour span, but it shouldn't be taking place at all. Let the MFD reach a conclusion, and then have the policy page abide by that conclusion, whatever it is, but let's not have the deletions taking place while the MFD's still running. -- Ben ^TALK/_HIST 07:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• I'm sorry. I see your reasoning okay, but it's still not justified. Not with the number of reversions that's occurred and the recovery times. Protection policy is still not meant to be applied in that manner. This has come up on RPP a number of times now and has been rejected each time. - Alison ☺ 07:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alison, please visit Talk:Mount Shasta. The anon-IP-hopping reference-deleter has finally decided to state his case on the talk page, and an extensive discussion has ensued. Thanks. --Seattle Skier (talk) 12:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, it gets on my nerves when Admins believe that the rules dont apply to them. Gherkin30 13:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I was just looking at that. RMS quacking like a duck. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 Done Blocked. Editor reverted to Robert's exact version, along with the POV quotes. Too obvious. I'd actually spotted that edit and the bot revert but had waited for the next move. I didn't have to wait long - Alison ☺ 17:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I've just put an NPOV tag on Adams for now, as there's still slight disagreement over how his "alleged" IRA membership should be presented so I don't want to rush into restoring it yet. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Good call. Don't rush into reverting it! Just bring it up on the talk page and get Stu' and the others to agree to whatever you guys are agreed on - Alison ☺ 17:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The protected edit request template could do with being removed now, I'd do it myself but I don't think the correct procedure is just to remove it. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Done! :) - Alison ☺ 18:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

After seeing this, that article makes much more sense now! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly. Look who prot'd the template ;) Have to say, the imagery in that vandalism kinda tickled me a bit. Something about Mitchell McG having a go at wee Gerry with a lump hammer in the opulent offices of Stormont while they're all sitting around sipping tea or whatever they do there .... - Alison ☺ 00:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Well I never got to see it till now, as I checked the previous edits when the editor started inserting nonsense on SF. And he had the temerity to stop after his final warning as well! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Although I may have spoken too soon.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for removing obscene vandalism at Nathan (disambiguation), presumably following the work of the editor whom you blocked. Unfortunately you left the preceding edit which was also vandalism; it's always worth checking the history on pages like this. Best wishes! - Fayenatic london (talk) 21:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oops! Sorry about that. I was too busy hunting down that other editor's blatant vandalism and missed that bit. Thanks :) - Alison ☺ 22:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize if my opinion was illrelevent to the matter of being an administrator, or trivial, and I've voiced my opinion, and won't repeat it again.--U.S.A. cubed 00:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Pardon? Are you miffed with me because I questioned your statement re. AIV? Why were you being so defensive over there? I cut the conversation short at that point because I detected your annoyance and didn't want to start a conflict in some guy's RfA ... - Alison ☺ 00:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, then I apologize of that aswell. I was refering to this statement of yours: " "it's not a conversation for here". And that meant that I did carry a conversation I shouldn't have, and I apologize.--U.S.A. cubed 00:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah! The "it's not a conversation for here" comment was not specifically directed at you, rather it was meant for myself. Make sense? - Alison ☺ 00:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that makes sense, and I just wanted to assure you that I was not annoyed, and thank you truley for your consideration.--U.S.A. cubed 00:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) - Alison ☺ 00:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Allie, I'm not quite sure what your last comment means. But if it was a comment in relation to my suggestion to the last editor of

Regardless of which way you interpret their actions, they certainly have issues. There's no question about that. When it comes to sophomoric vandalism like that, you have to wonder what thought process actually strings imagery like that together. Re. imagery, I once worked with the Irish Customs on a kidporn case & I had to ... ummm ... break into a computer which they suspected contained illegal images. It did & I'll not forget it too soon :( - Alison ☺ 01:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

My suggestion to seek medical advice was not a casual comment; I meant it. I suspect that the editor in question will not do so, even if s/he sees it. There are many, many disturbed people in the world, and while I do my best to help them, I can only stretch so far.--

Anthony.bradbury

01:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

You have to adopt an attitude of

RBI, though, as there's so much of that here. Either that, or go off the deep-end from stress and frustration. I barely even saw that editor's commentary, other than to tag them as yet another penis vandal doing their best to shock. Maybe I'm getting numbed to it all ... - Alison ☺

03:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

!

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Alison, I award you the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar in apprechiation of your excellent vandal-fighting. Keep it up! Mystytopia (talk) 01:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Wow! Thank you :) Not sure why I got that ... but thanks! - Alison ☺ 03:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I am going to assume that that edit was meant for

Yup! - Alison ☺ 01:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking those IPs that were reverting Concordia College & University. The best ways of handling these situations aren't always clear at first. --orlady 01:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, feel free to go ahead and semi if you would like. It looks to me like the edits have petered off over the last few hours (nothing for 7 hours when I declined), so it seems to me that no protection is needed. I am interested in what your edit summary "stepped on deskana's protect" means though, since Deskana never protected that page. Could you explain? Prodego ^talk 03:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• My autofill buffer kindly placed that there for me before I had time to catch it. I was too busy rolling back my changes. Oops! I felt bad about that particular article as the editor who requested it had desperately tried to protect the page themselves (with the template - *sigh*) only to have themselves mocked by the vandals. They kinda needed a break & their frustration was showing ... - Alison ☺ 03:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, I understand that anyone can post warnings however the user in question implied that he would block me, which he can not do, besides the fact that the original comment was not a personal attack at all, and as User:Theresa Knott has confirmed there is no grounds for a block, so i think it is safe to say that the whole issue was just inappropriately escalated by Gherkin30.

thanks for your understanding!

(Anna Vida 05:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC))

• I have to agree with your analysis there, unfortunately. While your rant to Jimbo was definitely a rant, it was probably in the correct place :) Gherkin30 should not have said what he did as it only inflamed the situation and as a new editor, you're perfectly welcome here & don't worry about making mistakes. If you need any help or anything, just give me a shout here. - Alison ☺ 05:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going offline. If you're going to around a little longer, could you keep a watch on Lesbian and Homosexuality for me? Some editor seems to feel those articles are incomplete without a link to some silly survey about lesbians being more likely to be overweight. If he adds it again he made need to be asked to stop revert warring :-). WjBscribe 05:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Will do. I'll put them on my watchlist but I'll be scooting off here myself in about an hour. Working at home here ... 'night! - Alison ☺ 05:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Oops, I see from below that this request wasn't quite as straight forward as I'd hoped- sorry. Cheers keeping an eye on it. WjBscribe 03:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
    • No problem. Should be interesting to see where this goes. - Alison ☺ 04:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm concerned that a respected editor would consider a published academic paper in a scholarly journal "a silly survey." It's just these sort of sources we desire most in our articles. After all, we're writing an encyclopedia. Is there anything you can do to help facilitate this goal? Rklawton 03:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually its the subject of the survey I find silly- not the standing of the paper. I particularly don't like the use of a report of the survey (which is brief and scant on detail). It doesn't tell us how many of the 6000 women (which already isn't a huge sample) were lesbians - but statistically its likely to only have been about 3 or 4 %. Thats very few lesbians involved in the survey. I also think including it as a stand-alone piece in a long and broad article is problematic. It may have some place in an article about health issues of the LGBT community or a section on this, but is not nearly notable enough a survey to be flagged up so dramatically. WjBscribe 03:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly it. It seems utterly trivial when it's not got any context. Given that the numbers just aren't statistically significant enough, not much can be concluded. It's an interesting data point but one cannot infer much from it. - Alison ☺ 04:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

WjB, are your concerns based on your reading of the published research or on your reading of the media's reporting of this research? I suspect the latter because an academic paper would address these concerns. Media reporting, on the other hand, is often silly. Starting with the line in your response above "I also think..." - I agree with you entirely. To wit: the current version (since reverted) was flagged up too dramatically. As you say, it belongs in a section about health issues. However, it turns out that no such article or section exists. I brought this matter up here and met with resistance from two editors. As I noted below, I think such a section could be used to great benefit in fighting ignorance. Rklawton 04:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

3) I understand scientific findings are not always embraced by society (Doctor Kinsey dealt with this his whole life) none the less no matter how unpopular they are legitimate scientific finding published in a legitimate publication should be respected not censored on Wikipedia.

BTW Getting your friends to revert for you is a clear violation of the idea behind the 3rr. Burntapple 06:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Quotes out of Australian newspapers aren't exactly 'scientific', regardless of what they're referring to, and bringing up the old chestnut of 'censorship' doesn't help. It's plainly non-notable here. Nor am I "reverting for" anyone here, other than noting that you were already way over the 3RR limit even before I got there. Now I see that another editor has brought the matter to your attention so it should be readily apparent to you at this stage exactly where the problem is here. - Alison ☺ 06:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

So because it's in an Australian newspaper it's not scientific?

The newspaper was quoting the findings of Boston University [6] Burntapple 06:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Like I said, it's plainly non-notable and not germane to either article. For some reason, you just want to revert and revert and revert until it somehow sticks, yet you've failed to either discuss it on the relevant talk pages nor give your rationale for including it other than stating that it's 'scientific'. - Alison ☺ 06:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

What matters is not the fact that Boston U. authored the paper but that American Journal of Public Health published it. This makes it both academic and notable. However, neither this article nor the Lesbian or Gay articles have sections detailing health-related matters (if I've overlooked something, please bring it to my attention). As a result, this bit of information about an obesity correlation seems to have no home, and it's inclusion in these articles appears out of place.

Personally, I think that both the Gay and Lesbian articles should have "health" sections with mental and physical health subsections. Obviously these sections will become lightning rods for POV pushers, but managed carefully, they can become quite useful for myth-busting. The B.U. study/revert war simply highlights the need for such sections. Rklawton 16:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a very fair suggestion, actually. It's encyclopedic but, like you say, it would be quagmire of POV from all sides. Maybe bring it up over on

WT:LGBT and see what the folks there think. There may actually be an article already which addresses this. - Alison ☺

16:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Rklawton 19:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Great! I'm just heading out here but when I get back, I'll pop over there and comment - Alison ☺ 19:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

As always, I look forward to your participation. Rklawton 19:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

So long as there is a place for the scientists findings on wikipedia I have no problem. Burntapple 00:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

"you're pushing the same links" I'll thank you to keep a civil tounge.

I am not "pushing" anything.

I am trying to figure out where to best place these scientific findings on wikipedia. Burntapple 06:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• I have a civil tongue, thanks. And yes, I stand by what I said just there. What you're actually doing is trying to find a home for that non-notable newspaper reference and trying to squeeze it in where you can. And it's just not wanted - Alison ☺ 06:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Lack of civility = Alison? That equation does not work.... --Kzrulzuall ^{Talk• Contribs} 06:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't like being accused of "pushing" links and yes that is a barbed description. Burntapple 06:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Familiar with the term "POV-pushing"? - Alison ☺ 06:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd have thought Jo Brand would be an ideal place for the link ;) Also this young man is pushing his luck somewhat. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oi!! BTW - I love this line; "men are fantastic – as a concept" :) - Alison ☺ 06:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC) (ps: Jo Brand is not a lesbian. Don't tell anyone!) - Alison ☺ 06:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I know, but I'm struggling to come to terms with it. For years and years most people thought she was, and it's only in the last 10 minutes I've discovered otherwise. Plus I didn't want to miss the chance to crack the joke.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Heh! Something to do with stereotypes, methinks. But yeah, I'm not a big fan myself, have to say. She rubs me up the wrong way. Mind you, she was awesome on the Trinny and Tranny show a few months back. A total makeover and she looked only amazing :) - Alison ☺ 06:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

BTW - I point you in the direction of that last category mentioned on the end of my userpage ;) - Alison ☺ 07:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd already noticed that, and chose my words very carefully accordingly. The same can't be said for "She rubs me up the wrong way" :; One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 07:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

OMG!!! And it was Jo Brand, too .... *shudder* - Alison ☺ 07:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC) (blush)

please read the editsumamry i mafde which is hte longest i did, it shows some of my rasoning, which is i think quite accurate.

a punishment that freuqntly kills the punished i think is able to be called "unspeakbly severe"... any place that allows pedophiles to enter into educational positions is underscreened, etc —The preceding

• You need to understand this. You went way over the limit on your revert-warring on
  Canadian residential school system (at least 5 reverts in one hour), you were causing disruption and you refused to discuss the matter with anyone until this message. Then you accused me of First Nations bias [7] which I find offensive in the extreme on a number of levels. You are now blocked for revert-warring for 24 hours. Please do come back after this time and try to re-work your changes on the talk page with other editors this time. One particular editor asked for the page to be protected to lock you out of editing it. I found this inappropriate and tried to work with you instead. You refused - Alison ☺
  07:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

If you can help out, it would be appreciated. Lsi john 13:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi John. They don't seem to be revert-warring on the article itself (yet!) so I think we're okay for the moment. I note that you're trying to mediate on the talk page & that's all good. Try to get them to clearly state their differences and take it from there - Alison ☺ 16:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC) (just woke up here)

• Alison, they (whoever they are) appear to have brought in another editor to revert the same [old version]

It does not appear that any of the reverting editors are willing to discuss it at all. It's simply a matter of brute force reverting. Lsi john 04:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how [this] is supposed to be done, but thats my best effort. Lsi john 04:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

And [again] / [here]. Lsi john 13:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not sure what to do here, John. It looks like a you-and-Smee thing again :( All you can do is keep a cool head (as you are) and state your case. If people are revert-warring on an article, best off to remind them of 3RR and report them if they go over the top - Alison ☺ 17:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the semi-protect on the Padalecki. It was getting really tiresome reverting all the unsourced changes about who he was dating, and the general dumb vandalism. If it was at least clever, it'd be entertaining, ya know? Strangely, the vandalism on his Supernatural co-star's page isn't that bad. Guess he's too old for the average vandal to care about, huh? Maybe one day they'll realize that some things get better with age. Keep the good work continuing! :) --Ebyabe 18:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• No problem :) - Alison ☺ 19:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Quack quack. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Indefblocked again - *sigh* - most of the usual 'tells' are there. Can you clean up the mess? - Alison ☺ 19:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Already done, thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Obviously it helps if you actually block the account as well as putting the tags on ;) One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Great - thanks :) - Alison ☺ 19:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• So...about blocking the account then? ;) One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• He is - it's just not showing up for some reason. Weird ... - Alison ☺ 19:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Not showing in your logs either, very odd! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• I tried re-blocking but I'm told he's already blocked. Reckon the comma in the name is causing issues with the system - Alison ☺ 03:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

• Shhh! I knew I should have picked a username with a comma in. I'm very suspicious of this one. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 07:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, earlier you had indicated that you would be willing to comment on the arbitration case involving NYScholar. The case has been accepted here:

• Sure. No problem at all. My involvement with the editor in question was peripheral (I answered a
  WP:RPP case which turned into a 3RR case which ended up with said editor getting abusive. I've added myself to the RfA and will provide a statement + evidence later - Alison ☺
  03:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. This is terribly offensive. In no way did I ever get "abusive". My talk page has the complete history. These are terribly outrageous statements. I suggest that Notmyrealname stop trying to enlist people in attacking me further. This is a disgrace. --NYScholar 04:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

My opinion still stands. The reason I recall it so well was as a result of your attitude and the fact that you 'archived' our conversation which was still ongoing at the time. I'm not going to comment on this any further at this stage but will be submitting a statement to ArbCom soon. I'm sure they'll just accordingly as to whether this is a vexatious case or not - Alison ☺ 04:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I very clearly stated that I had responded to you and thought that the discussion was over. There is nothing "abusive" about such a misunderstanding. I suggest that you review the archive. It is clear and supports what I said. To accuse me of "abusive" conduct because I may have (in your view) prematurely put a discussion in my archive (which I am permitted to do

WP:AGF

? --NYScholar 04:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Here is the discussion:

WP:AGF

. --NYScholar 04:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, I'm not going to comment on this any further at this stage - Alison ☺ 04:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind commenting

• It looks like his current 24-hour block for 3RR is sufficient for the moment. Note that blocks are meant to prevent disruption and not be punitive. In this case, there's already an RfC open & it should be interesting to see how that progresses. In the meantime, I have to assume that the current block is warranted and will be be effective and I do not feel it is appropriate to extend it. When he returns, if he continues with the same behaviour, do let me know - Alison ☺ 07:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, he came off the block ignored the RFC and went right back to the same kind of behavior. I doubt he'll even respond to the RFC. Aaron Bowen 07:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

He's been blocked for 8 hours on the 4th. When that ended, he got back to business and got a 24-hour block again. You can see where this is going, right? - Alison ☺ 08:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops!!! Sorry I missed that. Must be getting tired. Thanks for the message. Kukini ^{hablame aqui} 07:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Well done semi-protecting

• No problem. Welcome back, BTW :) - Alison ☺ 17:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I hope you like how i tried to handle this one. as opposed to my early attemts without an account on the canadian residentail school system article.Charred Feathers 15:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there. Glad you're back on again. I note that another editor or two has stepped in to help you on the talk page. I reckon between you all, you should be able to make changes to the article to reflect better the situation as it was. If you need any help, just let me know! - Alison ☺ 17:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

A mhuirnín dílis - go gcuidí tú!! Seosaimh Mac Domhnaill 16:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Roibeárd! Cad faoí, a bhuachaill? "Indefblocked" anois. Slán go fóill arís :) - Alison ☺ 18:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Had a look at your block message to that RMS sock ... I don't speak Irish, but found out what "slán" meant. Channeling

I was wondering would anyone notice :) - Alison ☺ 18:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

So what's that reply you made to him mean? Too funny ... I'm hoping to become an admin myself (

96

19:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

You banned a sock with a summary of "slán", Allie? Hahahahaha, a ghalad! :) Phaedriel - 19:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Heh - RMS called me "darling sweetie" in the comment above. It would have been downright uncivil of me not to have said goodbye ;) - Alison ☺ 19:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

So what does "Roibeárd! Cad faoí, a bhuachaill? "Indefblocked" anois. Slán go fóill arís" mean? Too funny, yeah ...

96

19:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

It means "Robert, I wish you could stick around but you've been X'ed!--Vintagekits 19:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

What a shower of first rate jerks. You live to block RMS. Robert shows "true grit", he's a first class editor, and unfortunately you lot of tiny people have a pathogenic disposition to stop Robert at all costs, you miserable lot. I say, "let Robert edit", we need him. Dia duit! —The preceding

unsigned comment was added by 86.42.159.119 (talk

) 22:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Hi there, Mano. Speaking of first-rate jerks, the subject, RMS made the following edit to my talk page about an hour before you showed up, mocking another editor, User:Charred Feathers for his spelling and grammar. This, amongst a bunchload of other stuff, marks him as a jerk. Decorum prevents me from using a stronger term right now. This is the guy that has been banned by the community no less than twice now, and that wasn't for nothing. As I've repeatedly stated over the years (yes, years), the guy can write some excellent biographical articles. I pointed this out last week here. However, he can't keep his POV and hatred of all things Catholic in check, both on and off Wikipedia. He refuses to discuss his edits and will not work with other and some of his recent socks have been involved in interfering with votes (the Jill Teed debacle of last month). His recent "article", Camillus McElhinney, was a blatant attack on User:CPMcE, whom he despises. See for yourself - and this was from his first ban. - Alison ☺ 17:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I like how much vandalism has occurred on this one talk page section alone. And nice work on the block notice, made me chuckle after I found a translator. hehe MrMacMan ^Talk 03:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

If he wants to make patronising comments towards me in Irish, he can expect to be repaid in kind - Alison ☺ 17:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, níos fearr go ceap magaidh a dhéanamh sibh a Gaeilge ná sa Béarla! Gabh mo leithscéal, níl diúltaigh do cur isteach ar comhrá a Gaeilge. Gabhaim pardún agat! :) gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 18:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Díreach! Ach ná abair é, a bhuachaill. B'fhearr liom ár teanga nádúrtha a chloisint ná an Béarla aon lá! Agus beidh fáilte leat é a scriobh anseo aon am :) - Alison ☺ 18:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, go raibh míle maith agat! Scríobhfaidh mé ar ais chugat nuair a tá comhrá a Gaeilge ann! Sláinte gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 18:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Purge your cache. –

• Excellent! Thanks :) Is this the final revision? - Alison ☺ 17:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Alison, thanks for the message on my talk. I'm feeling better now, although I'll probably be editing at a lower level for the time being. Just a bit tired of it all, maybe, and a bit busy in real life. Anyway, thanks again for your kindness, I hope to repay it some day :) All the best, – Riana_ऋ 04:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yayy!!! Welcome back :) So sorry to hear about your loss, though - Alison ☺ 17:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, and if i do need anything, it is good to know you are here.

(Anna Vida 05:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

• Yep! It looks like Gherkin30 went a little off the deep end afterwards and wound up getting indefblocked. I'm here if you need me :) - Alison ☺ 17:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Er - Alison, Anna Vida has been indef blocked by
    Dmcdevit. WjBscribe
    17:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Oops! Well, well :) She probably won't be needing any help, so. I've been away over the weekend and am playing catch-up here. Gherkin30 got indefblocked for starting a harassment campaign in which she featured (and, Theresa Knott, apparently [9]) - Alison ☺ 17:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Yes I just denied Gherkin30 his unblock request. He claimed we should unblock him because of his history. But I once had to block him because he'd gone on a vandalism rampage. I unblocked because he said his nephew had used his computer while it was unattended though I was hesitant as he'd previously been caught in an autoblock. I know see very little reason to AGF in his case. WjBscribe 17:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

User:142.167.127.98 got past his block and started doing the same edits without actually bothering with the talk page. I'm sad about this; I figured they were interested in helping. I've tried steering them to talk, but I think they're so caught up on their POV that they're going to need more blocking. I'd put this out for a general IP thing, but you were involved last night so you know the history rather than someone who might just have stats to go on. --Thespian 07:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

what are you going on about? i put exactly why i was making changes on the talk page, and im not being pointed in my view.Charred Feathers 14:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I must've arrived! Thanks for fixing it for me. --Thespian 17:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Must be doing something right! Congratulations, I think :) And, BTW - thanks for getting involved with the Canadian Residential Schools article and helping that guy out. That's really good of you. I know you're more of a recent changes patroller but stopping to help out that editor really makes the difference - Alison ☺ 17:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Really, I'm more gnomic; I do recent changes, I love finding random cites about things I don't care about, and I do a lot of copyediting (keeps my old Journalism school skills sharp). I suppose I *should* write more, but there's so much *else* here to do, and I have the attention span of a gnat. --Thespian 17:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Prepare!! During wikimania 2007 hundreds of vandals will flood wikipedia vandilizing whatever they can. If you will not be at wikimania be on during August 3-5 to help defend wikipedia's articles and reputation. Send this as may wikipedians as you can. Spred the word!! Kinglou135

• Where's this rumour coming from? - Alison ☺ 18:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimania#WikiRiot_2007 Kinglou135 19:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Ah! Thanks :) However, it looks like it's arrived early today - Alison ☺ 19:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

There's a 100,000+ editors who won't be at Wikimania and who won't put up with their favorite articles being tampered with. This will be a great learning point for the press. They'll miss it, of course. Rklawton 19:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly! The vast amount of vandal reversion is done my non-admin editors, including anon editors. And tools like Twinkle make that even easier. Not only that but dealing with vandals is only a small part of what admins do. CSD drudgery, anyone? And, yes, we'll be just fine during WikiMania. And yes, too, the press will entirely miss the point - Alison ☺ 19:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC) (have you secured your password, BTW?)

Is that parenthetical question part of your new sig? Pretty trendy! Rklawton 19:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Custom made especially for you! - Alison ☺ 19:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC) (you never answered! :) )

I've removed that para from the article [10]. Appears to have zero sources and we are not a crystall ball (nevermind beans). A lot of admins won't be going to WikiMania anyway... WjBscribe 19:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Good call. Added by a

WP:SPA, by the way ... - Alison ☺

19:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[11] :-) WjBscribe 19:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

WTF is going on today??? Three rogues in two days. Same articles being hit - Alison ☺ 19:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks like we're in the midst of an admin-hacking spree. Fortunately, I changed my password to something insanely long and random just this morning. I suggest all admins do the same. Cheers, Rklawton 19:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Mine's not in English in case you couldn't have guessed :) And it contains non-alphas & is about a mile long. Looks to me like a concerted effort to take over as many unsecured sysop accounts as possible. Luckily, none of them have figured out the Really Bad Thing To Do (pass the

beans ;) ) - Alison ☺

19:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, but I've changed my password anyway. This is ridiculous. Acalamari 19:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

That's the smart thing to do anyway! Looks like you're smarter than a number of admins here - Alison ☺ 19:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I know a lot of admins have now changed their passwords to longer/more complex strings - the problem will be the hundreds of admins who aren't around and haven't realised the password "password" is a bad idea. I really think we should consider making them go through RfA to get there sysop access back. WjBscribe 19:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Since the hacker(s) haven't sorted out how to do the Really Bad Thing, it's all just a tempest in a tea-pot. I've read previous proposals to run our own brute force programs so we might advise admins they have an easy password, and now we have a kind user taking charge of this initiative him/herself. It's the wiki-way. Sort of. Rklawton 19:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Heh - true. Delete the main page and block Jimbo is the first order of business, apparently, and thus all the alarms go off. Email me for the beans business if you like, 'coz I'm not telling here - Alison ☺ 19:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Is your Really Bad Thing the same as my Really Bad Thing? Are you sure we should share? What would the Church say? Rklawton 19:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Dunno. I won't know until you tell me, and vice-versa. And yeah, I could get excommunicated :) It's probably naughty - Alison ☺ 19:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

(a) Thanks for your support in my RFA, it happened. Three extra buttons, wooohoo! (Two) Hope you're not working too hard on the big cat, but if you are, I just want you know that there are only a few million of us counting on you...! The Rambling Man 19:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• a) and well-deserved it was, too. You earned it, sir. (two) Rawwwrrr!!!! - Alison ☺ 19:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Much appreciated... MrMacMan ^Talk 22:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I am User:Han Amos (and had a bureaucrat rename me to User:NHRHS2010) and I just made my 3000th edit recently. NHRHS ^{Class of 2010} 23:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Congratulations!! :) Well done - Alison ☺ 23:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Looks like
    Mudkip is being vandalized by registered user even though it has been semi-protected. NHRHS ^{Class of 2010}
    23:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Kinda inevitable really, given the silly memeage thing. Note that there's one main editor doing that right now - Alison ☺ 23:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Yes. I see that
        Mudkip a few times. NHRHS ^{Class of 2010}
        23:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:) Jtrainor 23:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Umm ... thanks! - Alison ☺ 23:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Umm ... this sounds so familiar... Maybe I should do something with that sig after all... NikoSilver 23:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Get in there, Alison! –
    Steel
    23:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Yah, right! :-D - Alison ☺ 23:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
      • It could be that maybe people like Alison's picture. NHRHS ^{Class of 2010} 23:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
      • "Could"? NikoSilver 23:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
        • There! I reverted back to the snarly, snarky one :) - Alison ☺ 23:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
          • I'll edit war you over this. NikoSilver 23:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
            • Rollback button at the ready! - Alison ☺ 23:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
          • "What cleavage?" –
            Steel
            23:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
            • /looks down .... hmmm ... maybe I should change my pic again ;) - Alison ☺ 23:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
              • Alison's picture is only "nice"? Beautiful is the correct term. :) Acalamari 23:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
            • Oh geez guys. I didn't even see the change until i force refreshed. I hope everyone enjoys the edit war. (and I agree with 'Beautiful' FYI) MrMacMan ^Talk 23:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
              • • Let's get it through proper
                  WP:DR channels. All the way up. NikoSilver
                  23:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
                  • Oh geez - you guys!!! - Alison ☺ 23:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC) (*ahem*)
                  • We should probably get this to
                    WP:CEM before the whole thing gets deleted. MrMacMan ^Talk
                    23:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
                    • o.x What happened? Jtrainor 23:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
                      • There's the guy wot started this. Someone block him - quick! - Alison ☺ 00:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
                      • See what you started? –
                        Steel
                        23:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
                      • We are all victimized by
                        Cleavage Can Change. NikoSilver
                        23:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
                        • Of course cleavage can change! - Alison ☺ 00:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Nom - I vote for the snarky image. We get the best of, um, both worlds (that is to say, some great Irish attitude). Rklawton 00:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

{{Reqscreenshot}}

• NikoSilver 00:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• • What is up with the Alison picture talk???? NHRHS ^{Class of 2010} 00:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's the other image for comparison. She looks as sweet as a nun in this one. Rklawton 00:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, not everyone likes that one. Something about my "clevage", it would seem. :-b - Alison ☺ 00:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Well I don't think so... I think this is going to come down to a

WP:DR for an answer here. I think we are at a standstill. MrMacMan ^Talk

00:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Could we compromise by including both? (images) Rklawton 00:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's another image of Alison that the anti-clevage folks might approve. Rklawton 00:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what's going on here; many people must really like Alison's picture. You are also welcome to look at my user page as well. NHRHS ^{Class of 2010} 00:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The only portrait I see on your user page looks suspiciously like a balding, middle aged, man (it's in one of your user boxes). Rklawton 00:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

(ec) I dunno. I see a scary pic of

cleavage? - Alison ☺

00:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

-_-* I was complimenting the original picture before this fracas got started, if that makes any difference. Jtrainor 00:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison's cleavage is a frequent source of heated debate. Please try to keep a cool head when commenting here.

Snippets of "Looks great" / "Less snarky" (a variation on an old Budwieser commercial) keep flashing through my mind. I need to go find some vandals to convert. Rklawton 01:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Compromise

• Oh, my, god. MrMacMan ^Talk 09:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I was just trying to address all user concerns by incorporating both necessary elements. NikoSilver 10:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Lol! Sweetie, if you want to show off the girls, you should feel free to ;) And I like the snarly pic better - given some recent interactions, I rather suspect it's more accurate ;) Oh, and I came here to thank you for semiprotecting my page. I took it off because baby troll needs somewhere to play, but if it gets much worse I'll probably put it back on. Cheers love, – Riana_ऋ 10:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Scary Lool!!. :D --SkyWalker 10:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Gaaaaah!!! OompaLoompas!! - Alison ☺ 11:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

That one's just disturbing. –

Steel

11:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, my intention was to make the compromise solution seem worst than unconditional surrender. Hence Franky here. NikoSilver 12:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Alison, I knew a good person out there would do something about that. —The preceding

I think young Mr. Blass may have a case. The section in question is titled "Influence over Florida family law in 2004" - however, since the case is still going through the Federal courts, there doesn't actually appear to by any "influence" yet. The article itself seems to be focused on pointing out the subject's faults, so an NPOV re-write may be in order here, and in doing so, this section may fall out. Thoughts? Rklawton 02:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I've taken the BOLD step of deleting the offending section. It'll hold things, hopefully, until the morning when I can take a closer look. Bedtime here now :) - Alison ☺ 03:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Lopez Blass, I have temporarily removed the section in question on revew of our

Biographies of Living Persons policy until I can obtain further advice on the matter. I cannot guarantee that it will stay removed but I will look into the matter further. In the meantime, it has been removed - Alison ☺

02:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S i edited this page because of privacy, and u already know what i wanted i just dont want anyone to see what i was complaining about. Once again, thank you so much. The Blass and lopez family owe u one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pblass (talk • contribs)

• No problem. Your request was certainly reasonable, IMO - Alison ☺ 17:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

is this a realiable source?

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf011/sf011p01.htm

Charred Feathers 07:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

http://www.huemer.com/polisci2.htm

Charred Feathers 08:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The first isn't a primary source - though it may help point you to some primary sources. The second is self-published and not peer reviewed at all, so no. Rklawton 12:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with RK here. Note the first article, the primary source is as follows;

Childers,, W. Morlin (April 1980). "Evidence of Early Man Exposed at Yuha Pinto Wash". Am. Antiq. 45 (2). Society for American Archaeology: 297–308.

It looks like a fascinating paper, though ... - Alison ☺ 17:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

thing is , there aint many of us in the correct field to be taken seriously by the non native science big wigs, but if one examines our oral histories and our cultural teachings ( legends and stuff) you will find that there is a lot more to the stories then say, fables. descriptions of now lost peoples and animals.... events, cateclysms.... lots o stuff. Charred Feathers 17:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, and that's not to say that that information is irrelevant either, because it's not. Not everything needs to be 100% above-board and scientific; it just needs to be verifiable and not be original research. I personally don't like the way that cultural knowledge tends to get written out of these things but where it's common knowledge, it's perfectly acceptable to add "many people believe that ... " when you can show that that's the case. It's hard work, though ... - Alison ☺ 18:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate it's marginal, but when you're dealing with IP edit warriors who don't listen to reason there's not really much you can do, and I don't think the removal of that category would be exempt from 3RR either.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, One Night In Hackney, I don't appreciate your personal attack. I listen to reason, too bad you don't reason, you make your edits out of hate. You attempt to suppress Irish history and I try to fight it, but obviously wikipedia has an anti-Irish bias. Hackney, it is you that lack the ability to reason, you are only a hateful person who uses wikipedia to spread your hate. 75.3.2.96 20:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

You were revert-warring on the article in question. Your edit summaries [12] are getting increasingly more

rude and offensive. Your comments are POV in the extreme and now you're attacking other editors. And you just referred to me as a vandal. What's left to say here? - Alison ☺

20:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Slán? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

http://www.nemasys.com/ghostwolf/Native/genocide.shtml

Charred Feathers 18:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I was talking on my own page, there's nothing wrong with that is there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuckIt15 (talk • contribs)

• Yes, there is. Please check out Wikipedia:No personal attacks. You know what you said - Alison ☺ 19:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Blocked... – Riana_ऋ 19:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Can I ask -- was this a Sock or something because I didn't see any edits made by the account and no deletion log for the page that he apparently attacked another user on... Am i missing something obvious? lol. MrMacMan ^Talk 19:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

His now deleted userpage. And there seems to be some sort of coordinated trolling going on, too... – Riana_ऋ 19:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

_:grumble: that wasn't there when i checked the log... _{MrMacMan ^Talk 19:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)}

Thanks for the userpage revert. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning on those talk pages. I have started a discussion thread on the talk page for them, so that they can work it out there. We'll see whether or not it works (I have my doubts). Glad to see that there are more eyes on this. Pastor David ^† 20:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh hey, I was just about to send you a thank-you message, too :) And good luck with .. y'know .. that other thing. I've already weighed in with my support for actions such as this one - Alison ☺ 20:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • It appears that we may have made some progree on the talk page. And thanks for your help with this and for .... that other thing. Pastor David ^† 21:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, thank you for the kind words. It really is nice when it comes from someone whom I've never had the pleasure of interacting before. The overwhelming support that I received made up for the negative and disrespectful attitude displayed by User: Tony Sideway. It never occurred to me that a hacker would waste their time hacking passwords in Wkipedia. I fixed my password and gained my admin powers back. Thank you once more. Tony the Marine 21:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking the guys! But I think you might have missed a few. —SpyMagician 05:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yah, I've only started monitoring it 10 mins ago :) On AIV patrol tonight .... - Alison ☺ 05:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Oh, and see here too - Alison ☺ 05:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeow! He hates italians! —SpyMagician 05:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! that's all! --Myke Cuthbert 05:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• One of my favourite chefs. How could I not? ;) - Alison ☺ 05:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I purposely edit at obscure times like 12am to avoid meddlesome editors like you. GOSH.

Hah, actually I think that users created around this time miss out on the lovely cookie-cutter welcome that everyone else gets from Fang Aili, so I want to give it a try. It is kind of ironic though... ALTON .ıl 07:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Can't avoid me, sorry! I'm permanently on here :) - Alison ☺ 07:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC) (in ur wikiez, meddling ur editz)
• Hah - you're not going to believe this but
  User:Sr13 just indefblocked your template! Start subst'ing, dude :) - Alison ☺
  07:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Sigh. I was warned to level 3 and blocked indefinitely for Welcoming users. I think I should go to sleep for tonight. ALTON .ıl 07:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Serves you right! See what happens when you're civil? :-) Now, go to bed! - Alison ☺ 07:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Can Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Lsi john be dealt with? Lsi john 07:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Errrm. This is a Telugu interwiki link? - Alison ☺ 07:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)`
  • its a category, i didnt know how to show it here. Smee is on a witch hunt. its absurd. Lsi john 07:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • To show a category as a link, just put a colon in front of the "Category" word. I'll look into it, John. Not sure what's going on here ... - Alison ☺ 07:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Smee think's he has his teeth into something Big. The entire username can be deleted as far as I'm concerned. I had no idea admin had any significance on wiki. And at that point, I had no idea there was even a wiki community. Lsi john 07:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

There's a couple of things going on here, far as I can see. Let me address them as I find them;

• Lsi admin has been indefblocked by
  WP:U
  for having 'admin' in the name. Simple mistake to make. I blocked a guy called "technobot" for the same reason last month.
• Strictly speaking, User:Lsi admin is a sockpuppet of yours. And, I have to say, the one and only edit was silly in the extreme [13]. What was that about?
• Why on earth did you create a sock account? This looks really bad.
• However the sock templates on the Lsi admin account give the impression that it was blocked for sockpuppetry whereas it was not. The block log shows this clearly.
• This isn't really material for my talk page, guys, and is obviously a whole lot bigger. It's not going to get sorted out here. Personally, you two should try to avoid each other if at all possible; you both just don't get on.
• This looks like it needs to go for an RfC or Arbitration at this stage.

Smee - seeing as you're here now. What's your position on this??? - Alison ☺ 07:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I also requested User:Lsi admin for delete. same reason. Lsi john 07:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• These are most relevant and useful pages, and may actually be utilized in more depth shortly. But they are not candidates for speedy deletion. If anything, perhaps
  Smee
  07:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

• Best off mark them {{holdon}} so ... this is ongoing - Alison ☺ 07:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh geez now there is an edit war (this page) over personal comments. Keep it civil guys! MrMacMan ^Talk 07:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't even think of asking for it to be deleted. It didnt matter. But now that you want to turn it into some sort of smoking gun, it probably should be deleted.. But on second thought... leave it. it will keep you busy chasing more ghosts. Lsi john 07:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, I was actually trying to save the admins time and stoping conspiracy insanity before it got out of hand. Its truly insane. Like so far beyond insane that it gives insane a whole new meaning. The only good thing will be another UNRELATED on Smee's guess-list fishing trips to the proverbial SOCK pond. I've removed the speedy tags. I really dont care what Smee does with it. If anyone actually takes it seriously.. well thats on them. Peace in God. Lsi john 07:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay.

Smee

07:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

I'm going to have to go here. Long day. I'll see what I can do tomorrow but in the meantime, if you need an immediate response, maybe file it over on

WP:ANI? 'night all .... - Alison ☺

08:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Have a good night!

Smee

08:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

• After this was clarified for me by a neutral, previously un-involved editor, I placed a speedy-delete tag at the associated category page.
  Smee
  19:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Ah, okay. Problem is, of course, is that it now looks like harassment or, at least, would cause John's paranoia levels to get kicked up a notch. Which, unfortunately, now appears to have happened. - Alison ☺ 19:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I too, felt paranoid, when in the beginning of my foray into the project, I also felt that I was being harassed at times, followed around, and policies were quoted at me that I did not understand or even knew existed! I tried to empathize with
      Smee
      19:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
      • Mmm. Agreed on all points there although you are by far the more experienced editor. You guys both need to either take a wikibreak or keep waaay away from each other, somehow. The latter is unlikely as you have mutual interests and it didn't work for long last time. - Alison ☺ 19:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
      • There's also the matter of this being deliberately populated from the now-deleted cat page, and the request for it to be left around. What's the purpose of this? - Alison ☺ 19:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Why is it that it seems to be the same editor, time and again, who shoves the rules down my throat? Why is it the same editor, time and again, who reverts my 3O request to his own wording, and then finds out that my wording and my question were proper? This isn't just once. This isn't paranoid. This is a documented pattern of repeated involvement by one editor. If I forget a signature, smee is there to add it. If I put a welcome on a userpage, smee is there to remove it. If i put 2 article tags in an article where smee is NOT currently editing.. WACK smee shows up and reverts one of the tags. paranoid? naw. its real enough. he's just that good and clever.. and smeagol nice. smeagol good. dont hurt smeagol. everybody loves smeagol... sarcasm? yes. appropriate? probably not. frustrated as hell? yes. smee knows it? absolutely. smee laughing his ass off? oh yea, no doubt. Lsi john 19:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Smee
  19:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
  • • • And if he isnt laughing, and if he is truly concerned, then he'd clean all this up.. right now.. simple and fast.. he could ya know.. its his choice.. i'm not following him.. and he isnt accusing me of it. As you said, alison, he's the senior editor. He doesn't need to prove he's tougher, I already know it. he doesnt have to prove he's more powerful, I already know it. I just want to edit wiki, unmolested. Lsi john 19:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
        • There's far more to this than either of you are 'fessing up to. Here's the thing, though; both of you - both of you need to back off from each other. Go take a break, John, or go edit something else for a while. I already made this suggestion last month to you. If you're not enjoying editing Wikipedia, that's prolly a clear sign to take a break. When I said that Smee was around longer, that was my saying that they should have known better re. quoting policy and where it comes from. Seniority doesn't imply greater respect in my book - trust me on that one. - Alison ☺ 19:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, could you take a moment and read this: [here] and explain why it was necessary for him to drop in?

And, this one: [here] and explain why someone couldn't agree to that in good faith? Within minutes of that last refusal, Krator issued a 3O which suggested that if the editor was still active he should be given a chance to revert his own article tags... in direct agreement with what I wanted smee to agree to.. I wasn't asking him for any of his rights, i was asking him to promise not to play games, and he refused multiple times.

plese read those two.. and I'll stop documenting. Those two are fairly clear on their own. Lsi john 19:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

btw, excellent neutral observation:

"There's also the matter of this being deliberately populated from the now-deleted cat page, and the request for it to be left around. What's the purpose of this? - Alison ☺ 19:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)"

Thank you for taking time to see that. Lsi john 20:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Smee
  20:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Thank you for that. The issue was not that talk pages hang around after the article/cat is deleted, but that you moved information from the cat page before the speedy tag went on and marked the talk page as to explicitly not be deleted, thus neatly avoiding losing the content which was contentious in the first place. Re. to my earlier 'paranoia' comment, etc. Whether you intended this or not, it could have been construed as harassment - Alison ☺ 20:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Oh. I can understand how that could be construed, but nevertheless, I heed to your neutral commentary, and the content is gone, per my request for speedy deletion.
      Smee
      20:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
      • Thank you, Smee :) I'm trying to AGF on everyone's part here but both of you are locked into something here, and it's not good. I'm not sure what the resolution needs to be here, but both of you are a regular feature on my talk page these days! It's pretty obvious here, too, that John feels attacked and is getting more and more frustrated while you seem to be keeping your cool .... which is probably making it worse! :) What to do ... - Alison ☺ 20:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Smee
          20:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
          • No problem, Smee. Thanks again - Alison ☺ 20:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alison, its your friendly neighborhood MacMan here. I'm going to be a bother again asking for your advice. I've been stressing over an unresolved admin noticeboard incident report for the past few days. My worry has grown seeing as how I have also learned that 2 previous incident reports about the same user have gone 'uncommented' about and have disappeared into the archive pages. (see later comments in link above) I hope that this isn't misconstrued as 'canvassing' but I don't see many other options. I'm just looking for someone to comment. I have brought the report out of the archive manually, 'bumped' the report so it doesn't fall back into the archive, broke protocol and have contacted other editors as well as asked about what can be done on the incident talk page. This isn't 'time pressing', but the first incident report was filed over a week ago and I'm hoping to get some closure for the involved editors. Perhaps I overlooked something obvious or a better place to file such a request? Anyway, have a good day, MrMacMan ^Talk 07:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi MacMan. I'm really sorry but I'm totally burned out here now. 1am here and I've to be up for 6. Can I possibly look into this tomorrow? - Alison ☺ 07:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • As long as someone at sometime does I'm perfectly happy. MrMacMan ^Talk 07:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC) edit: my friend just told me that reads as sarcastic, i didn't mean it to me -- it means that whenever you are free I certainly don't need immediate action. MrMacMan ^Talk 07:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I'll see what I can do. I took a peek and there's a long tale to it. I'm not sure where you are, planet-wise, but you could maybe hit up one of the European or Asian admins if needs be? I'll be glad to take it on but it'll be tomorrow at this rate ... - Alison ☺ 07:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC) (ec: it kinda did, actually!)
      • Eek, i don't want to come across as mean to one of my favorite wikipedians! (BTW, you perked my interest with that last statement... is there a list of european or asian admins for that reason -- to have a faster response rate because of time zones?) In any event I still prefer your skill and expertise over random other admins. Thanks, MrMacMan ^Talk 08:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
        • (now I'm unsure of what timezone your in) are you online? MrMacMan ^Talk 00:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
          • I'm on now. Let's take a look .... - Alison ☺ 00:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
            • The editor the incident report was mainly about User:Gon4z has just come back online after not making edits for the past few days... looks like he's doing the same thing he did before the 3RR temp block. I even saw that he removed the references list then he changed the number that the reference gave to number of bunker (from 700,000 to 750,000), later giving another different number (1,000,000) with no apparent source. I really want to keep my hands off these changes, but he's changing every article he was involved in. MrMacMan ^Talk 02:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
            • I'm sorry for harping here but he's already accusing me of having an 'aversion towards Albanians or me, so you and your companion are prosing slurs with intend to make Albania appear feeble to the world.' I don't want to get into a edit war over the same articles and I'm praying someone takes notice. I don't want to put too much pressure on you on this and I'm still praying someone make a comment on the
              the ANI but until then it seems like your the only one who has responded to me yet. (again I'm sorry for harping and badgering, I just want it to be looked at). A very sorry MrMacMan ^Talk
              03:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
              • Commented on his talk page. I'm awaiting some sort of explanation for his position here. I've dug through bunches of edits here & phew - this is complex - Alison ☺ 04:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
                • :gives you a big hug: I know it's a lot of stuff to pour over and your my hero for being the only one brave and bold enough to actually make a coment. Alas, I hope giving hugs over the internet isn't inappropriate. MrMacMan ^Talk 04:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
                  • No problem! Let's see how he responds ... - Alison ☺ 05:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
                    • Well, I think we got our answer; he was phenomenally rude, first blanking his talk page and my question, then responding in the snarky manner below. In the meantime, another admin stepped in and blocked him for 48 hours for other personal attacks - Alison ☺ 23:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
                      • Well another 48 hours of peace. I really appreciate you taking a look I know it was a lot of stuff to look over. If he comes back in and makes more of the same reverts reverts I'm probably going to go and take this to some format body. I don't think
                        WP:RFM but it looks like you need to go through another mediation process for your case to be accepted. Anyway you're a rockstar. MrMacMan ^Talk
                        00:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop removing valid categories from topics which you clearly know nothing about. 75.3.2.96 20:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Please provide some context and point out exactly where I removed these categories. And please try to
  assume good faith on my part here - Alison ☺
  20:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Assume good faith on your part? You cleary didn't do that for me, you removed the valid categories for no reason whatsoever. 75.3.2.96 00:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
    • They're far from valid, and removing them does not imply bad faith on my part. Please try to remain
      civil here, ok? You've already called me a 'vandal' today which, if anything, made me laugh out loud - Alison ☺
      00:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
      • I said he doesn't listen at
        WP:RFPP when I asked for the page protecting. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃
        00:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Proper charmer isn't he? Funny how some editors accuse me of pushing a pro-Irish republican POV, yet others claim the opposite. I guess that makes me have an NPOV? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 03:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
          • It would appear you were right again. sigh - apparently I'm an anti-Irish racist. Funny considering I'm a jackeen, no? - Alison ☺ 03:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
            • Well some people never let the truth get in the way of a good moan. Is carrying on repeating the same personal attacks and incivility that got him blocked in the first place while blocked grounds for a longer block? ;) One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 03:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
              • Not in my book. He can rant away on his own talk page for all I care, because I've already moved on. Far as I can see, it's 31 hours free of disruption for other editors - Alison ☺ 03:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
                • I don't think he's ready to
                  put down the stick and slowly back away from the horse carcass just yet, but I'll try and be optimistic. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃
                  03:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
                  • I give up! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for rolling back those edits at Holliston, Massachusetts! I see you've blocked the vandal for 31 hours. He messed up a bunch of articles relating to towns in Massachusetts, and I didn't have to undo 22 edits by hand, which I thought I might have had to. Anyways, thanks again! Cool Blue^{talk to me} 00:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• No problem. You wouldn't have to undo by hand, though. Just click on the 'edit history' and choose the last sane version. Click 'edit' and save with an explanation and viola - rollback done! :) - Alison ☺ 00:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Is is appropriate for an admin to revert a VfD out of hand? Please review

In fact, this same admin seems to be purging all sorts of VfD. I've been away from Wiki as an editor for a while, but this seems highly irregular.Bayyoc 04:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• How strange! I'm not sure why this happened, but have you asked the admin in question? - Alison ☺ 04:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I have. He (she) has not replied to me yet. --Bayyoc 04:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I replied to your comment on their talk page. Give them some time to answer, though. It's only been minutes! - Alison ☺ 04:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Okay. I got a bit irritated. I'll give it some time. --Bayyoc 04:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
        • From what I can see from your contribs, you've created an incorrectly titled AfD as well as a correct one, and the correct one isn't transcluded on the deletion log page. Also the article itself was reverted within one minute of you creating the actual AfD, so he might have thought it was an incomplete nomination. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
          • You're absolutely right, Hackney. Here's the incorrect one. It should prolly be speedy tagged. 10 mins went by between the article being tagged and the proper AfD nom going in. The admin reverted seconds after the correct nom was placed. Mystery solved - Alison ☺ 04:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems what happened is that Sr13 reverted hastily when he saw a redlink AfD nom. I've restore the AfD tag to the article and readded the correct disussion to today's list of AfDs... WjBscribe 04:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I also deleted the incorrectly named AfD :-) WjBscribe ... 04:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops! :) - Alison ☺ 05:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Mystery solved - Alison ☺
  05:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

And oops, sorry for not signing Matt.berlin 04:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• If you're not British or Irish, you won't kinda appreciate the severity of the
  F-word! :) Yeek! - Alison ☺
  04:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I noticed last night that you commented about keeping the page protected which is fine with me. What I would like to know is how do I handle [[14]]? He has been very rude and uncivil and now is accusing me of being a meat puppet which I had to look up to understand. I am not ameat puppet or asock puppet or a single purpose account as you can see by my edits in my short time during Wikipedia. I try to always be civil and polite. This Ned Scott is vulgar at times and apparently it's his way or no way. He apparently has a problem with an editor Quackguru. I came across the article Wikipedia community and thought it would be a good article and safe to edit on since most that I have been on has either been medical or political. Then I have this person making accusation about me. What, if anything can be done to stop his unrelenting behavior? I have a mentor but I hate to have him step into this unbelievable mess. A comment or advice would be appreciated about this matter. Would I be better off just leaving and just ignoring this uncivil comment he made last? Thanks for your time, --Crohnie 11:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison. My recent posting on this page was deleted without reply. Can you please tell me how I should deal with people who protect articles? Many thanks.--Grinning Idiot 16:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there. What exactly would you like to know? What people? Admins? - Alison ☺ 19:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• You asked 3 questions. Answers: 1). How should I deal with people who protect articles? (that was the original question) 2). Anybody 3). Yes.

Please do not dismiss me. People protect articles. Give WP some credibility by addressing my concerns.--Grinning Idiot 16:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• You'll have to be a little more specific than that. I'm certainly not dismissing you here; on the contrary. WP credibility doesn't rest on my shoulders, BTW. I'm just some editor ... - Alison ☺ 17:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• I'm asking generally. How does one normally deal with article protectors? General question. I'm asking you because you have questioned my edits previously. "Just some editor" or not, you are not a good representative of WP if you assist those who block the truth.--Grinning Idiot 17:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• I have certainly questioned your behaviour, whatever about your edits. You were reported for revert-warring on the
  Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents where my actions will be judged. If you wish to have an article unprotected, you can request it at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection where I will ensure another admin (not me) will handle it - Alison ☺
  17:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, I have just about given up expecting reason around here. You quote my previous mistakes which I have already noted and apologised for. You say that I "refuse to enter into dialog"? I only want dialog! Look at our buddy Rebecca (whom I apparently insulted). I made very reasonable changes to an article. Our mate Bec said in the history, "rm bizarre edits". Is that WP:CIVIL Alison? It's very hard to be WP:CIVIL when the first punch is below the belt. My reply was more WP:CIVIL than it needed to be. I made two "bizarre" edits. One of my edits has been kept! The other has been on discussion and I have agreed with MrZaius. Rebecca says "rm bizarre edits"? And I'm not WP:CIVIL? --Grinning Idiot 13:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not sure quite what this 'dialog' is expected to achieve seeing as you've not stated any objectives here other than to complain about Rebecca's edit summary. I just pointed you to ANI for a formal complaint forum - so just what more can I do here? I think we're both just about done here now - Alison ☺ 13:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• You have that cute 17-year-old-blonde-naive-logic about your dismissals, Alison. Cute but not very productive. But yeah, we are done. Definitely.--Grinning Idiot 14:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Finish on a sexist insult, whydontcha - Alison ☺ 15:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I said 17-year-old-blonde-naive-logic and "cute". Sexist? Ahh.. age, hair colour, stupid factor, err... nothing about gender in there is there? Sexist? I'm worried about your interpretation of evidence. --Grinning Idiot 15:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's go ask others then, shall we? - Alison ☺ 17:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Just quick one, for the benefit of the Grinning Idiot,

this is what Alison is referring to. So gender is heavily implied by your comment. Thanks. The Rambling Man

17:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete it and hope nobody noticed! Then send out the vandal patrol. Easy to be stupid when you have a vandal patrol. If anybody says anything nasty about you, delete it. That's why you have a talk-page full of warm-fuzzies! --Grinning Idiot 16:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• I've absolutely nothing to hide here. There - your idiocy has been restored for all to see. Happy now? - Alison ☺ 17:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Alison,

It seems that you have a stalker. Someone sent a nasty e-mail to the unblock list making claims related to the Fred Hoyle article. I have discarded it but you should be aware of it. Capitalistroadster 21:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Now I wonder who may have sent then? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I can imagine, Hackney. Roadster is one of the WP mailing list managers, so it must have been bad :( - Alison ☺ 00:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the update, Capitalistroadster. I must have missed that one. Was it unblock-en-l? Can you possibly mail it on? Thanks :) - Alison ☺ 23:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I discarded the e-mail due to its general tone and the address so it wasn't circulated. Capitalistroadster 00:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, again. Since I seem to see you everywhere, I assume you must have the omniscience that goes along with omnipresence, and so I'd like to seek your advice on something. I got into a tiff with an Admin last night who seemed to take my speedydelete tag on an article for an indie band he liked personally. I might not be examining this with sufficient neutrality of perspective, so I'd like to solicit a third opinion. My questions are, basically, who was the asshole here?: User talk:Dynaflow#The Western Investor .E2.80.93 speedy delete. Did we both botch the discussion? How should we have handled it? Thanks. --Dynaflow 19:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I've finished centralizing the conversation on my Talk page so you don't have to chase timestamps to find everything said. That should include all of the exchange except for our blurbs on the AfD page here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Western Investor. Again, thanks. --Dynaflow 20:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Frankly it don’t concern me what you appreciate just like it should not bother you and you need to go very those articles again and again and again until you understand whose in the worn, also a good think would be to look at the sources those guys presented and read what they say and then read their figures, you would agree that the source does not match at all with the figures they presented, ohh and this one is a killer their strongest source is I send an email to the Albanian MOD and they told me what they have, which is pure out lie because they never reveal what they have and he did not present any proof, I think I would know a little more about my won country that I was born and lived in all my life than a guy that uses propaganda from the internet as proof.

There is your answer I would appreciate if you don’t bother me anymore. Gon4z 17:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• I've been through those article, on request of another editor you've allegedly been harassing. You don't
  reliable and verifiable sources. It doesn't matter if Alfred Moisiu personally told you - it needs to be cited properly. You've been little other than rude and incivil to User:MrMacMan to-date and now you're continuing it with me, first by ignoring and blanking my request, then by posting this here when I restored my comment. - Alison ☺
  17:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection concerning the Keith Olbermann page. I wasn't sure where to put that. R. Baley 20:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• No problem - Alison ☺ 20:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The user who is adding the sourceless information is on a dynamic IP address, so the user's IP address is constantly changing. I had formerly believed that this user had been warned on various occasions, but reviewing the history of the article, I can now see that this is not true. I shall attempt to warn the user, but I am unsure of how successful my attempts will be. Because this user is on a dynamic IP address, it will be difficult to intervene if the user ignores all such warnings. It is likely that these messages will never be received in the first place because the user likely disconnects from the internet before checking Wikipedia again, and thus the user's IP address will change and the comment won't be received. However, I do agree that this situation will be better solved if use of semi-protection is not necessary. ~ Oni Lukos _ct 21:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 2 weeks, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. - see how it goes, so. It's a marginal case - Alison ☺ 23:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Talkpage full of warm fuzzies? Me adds another one. – Riana_ऋ 01:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Awww - thank you! One can never have too many warm fuzzies on one's talk page, I always say. - Alison ☺ 04:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm immensely upset at this user for deleting my recent article. I had not finished filling out the article when it was prematurely deleted and I have not been allowed to convey my true feeling on the subject of "dw west". I hope that, before mindlessly deleteing sometihng you do not personally find important, you take the time to read the content and truly understand what I am attempting to represent and convey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desty44 (talk • contribs)

• I've reproduced it here in its entirety --> "David wins, flawless victory." - sounds like exciting stuff! - Alison ☺ 06:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• That deserves...

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For use of withering sarcasm in the face of a well written query One Night In Hackney303 07:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• I can be a sarky bitch, betimes :b - Alison ☺ 07:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Marc has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hi Alison,

I've just noticed you've banned our school IP address (217.65.158.131) for abuse. Unfortunately I feel the need to request this be made permanent. We have 2000 students and are unable to keep an eye one them 24/7. This sort of thing happens all to often.

Simon —The preceding

• Thanks, Simon. It was just about up today. I've extended it to a 1-month block given this history of that account. Note that only anonymous users are blocked and any students that create accounts outside of school should be free to edit as before - Alison ☺ 18:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Sincere thanks!

(AnThRaX Ru 14:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC))

Hi. Please unprotect. Almost 3 weeks now. Thanks. --Justanother 17:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there. Far as I can see, this is yet unresolved. I've left a message on the talk page asking folks for clarification on whether compromise/consensus has been reached on the whole DD-214 thing - Alison ☺ 18:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

 Done - good luck :) - Alison ☺ 17:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping that you could help me with a translation.

"'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. "

and I've tried translating it into Gaelic

is fearr gur ghráis is gur chaillis ná gan grá riamh.

can you help? —The preceding

• Sounds about right, though it's a transliteration. There's probably a better native phrase out there somewheres. I'm kinda hearing, "Is fearr a bheith i ngrá 's a chailleadh, ná gan bheith in ngrá ar bith". I'm speaking it out here and it sounds stilted. A Gaillimh, a chara, an bhfuil aon fhios agatsa? - Alison ☺ 18:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for your help. I am sorry, but I don't know about Gallway.

You've got mail, Allie girl! :) Love you, Phaedriel - 21:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• OOoh - let me check. Wow ... long. I'll reply tomorrow :) Dozing on the sofa here ... - Alison ☺ 02:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		I know you have one of these above, but I was just about to post to Ryan's talk page and saw your new version of Indefinately blocked. Gave me a laugh and fantastic idea, I don't mind designing the template if you want. Khukri 21:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Heh - seems just about everyone spotted that. *blush*. Re. template - go for it. That should be a total scream :) Just don't expect me to provide an icon :-D - Alison ☺ 02:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Isn't an edit war enough reason to protect an article? Last I checked editors generally fully protected articles to stop edit wars. Am I wrong? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• No, you're not wrong. However, I declined protection due to not enough activity (which is true). You are in a content dispute with an anon editor and both of you are in dialog, it would appear. Also, you reverted to your "correct" revision and then immediately took it to
  WP:RPP, which was kinda naughty. Page protection is used to stop edit warring, not to endorse or 'freeze' the 'proper' revision. - Alison ☺
  02:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC) (thanks for the revert, BTW)

If you think my version is incorrect, feel free to revert to the other one and protect. I personally don't care which version is kept. My version is supported by information on the LOE and that is the only reason I reverted the edits to begin with. I just thought it should be protected till the edit war is solved, especially with the anon being uncivil. (No problem with the revert) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't want to revert to any version. That's not the purpose. What I'm saying is it's not (yet, at least) warranted IMO. If the anon editor is being uncivil, try to warn them, but I note that they're trying to communicate on your talk page as to their reasons. Protection is a last resort and we're just not at that point yet. Honest! - Alison ☺ 02:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks again :) - Alison ☺ 02:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Alright then. I'll continue to try and settle this through the talk pages. Sorry to bother you. And no problem again :) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

If it gets really bad, just request again and point out that it's got worse since my decline. And if the other editor gets nasty or looks like tripping over 3RR, do the warn/report thing - Alison ☺ 02:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok I will :) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added a suggestion via wp:brd - to

Hi Alison, I thought I'd better tell you that I am

• Cool!! And welcome back :) I'd been tipped off that you'd returned - Alison ☺ 15:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, may I kindly ask who told you I had returned? Kindest reagrds -

The Sunshine Man

16:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Dinng! You've got mail :) - Alison ☺ 16:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I've replied back, thank you!

The Sunshine Man

16:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for semi-protecting this page, as requested. Unfortunately another editor removed the protection at once. Is this in order?

• It's still protected. Who removed it? - Alison ☺ 17:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It was removed, perhaps inadvertently, in thsi diff.

-- roundhouse

17:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh! That's okay :) It's only the protect notice. The article is still protected. Here - I'll re-add it - Alison ☺ 17:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		I, The Sunshine Man 17:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

• No prob! Hey - I just semi'd your userpage for a few days to stop the nonsense. Let me know and I can remove/indef it if you like :) - Alison ☺ 17:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your attempt at a compromise, but you do not make clear if you are blocking for 3RR or for generic "disruption". If for disruption, I object because the user was not duly warned. If for 3RR, I object to a full week's block as completely out of proportion seeing that this is a very active user, involved in controversial topics, who has a clean 3rr log for 16 months. The 2005 thing simply has no relation to all this.

• I've given my rationale for this on
  WP:ANI. While I appreciate your concern and concur that the block count was 6 and not 7, and that 1 month is excessive, I feel that a 1-week block (actually 6 days now) is entirely justified here. Can we keep this conversation together over on ANI, please? - Alison ☺
  18:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It was a nice surprise to see a highly active Admin supporting my take on the matter. Usually I just Kibbitz with little links and questions, or comment and watch, because I do think that the admins should be accountable, but this time, the complaintant's whole premise was so irritating and obviously designed to provoke a pity party, that I had to confront directly, and to see my take being echoed was reassuring. ThuranX 20:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I was not aware that an AfD page could be speedied, even if it did come from a banned user. DarkAudit 00:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there. Well, if the AfD was created by a banned user, then it can IMO. Banned users have no right to modifying WP, and that includes modifying pages, creating pages ... and filing (arguably vexatious) AfDs.
  WP:DENY applies here. - Alison ☺
  04:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks, SJ. I've left a detailed submission on the Arbitration page. - Alison ☺ 18:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

*meeps* :( - Alison ☺ 02:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Aww *hugs* –

Steel

14:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, thank you for your kind words in support of (now I can say it) my RfA, which successfully closed yesterday. Please feel free to drop my a note any time if there is anything I can do for you. Pastordavid 15:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Glad you got through it all. Gruelling, eh? Now go grab your mop :) - Alison ☺ 06:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Guess who? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

{{trollblocked}}, as Moreschi puts it. – Riana_ऋ 05:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you :) - Alison ☺ 06:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I sent you... two e-mails? Yep, 2. But disregard the last one, I figured it out all by myself 0:) (oh, and with

this) – Riana_ऋ

15:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) Looks like you did it exactly right. Subpage with full prot. Put a note in asking for people to check the edit history in case a compromised account vandal changes it after gaining control. Oh and you can steal my template if you like. It was a pain to get right. And hey - thanks again, too. Owe ya one - Alison ☺ 15:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I had my eye on him anyway after this dubious edit, where because the source says Jennifer knew Bobby and Bernadette when she was young Robert assumed she must have known the other Sands sister Marcella, or Majella (sic) as Robert put it.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Good catch! "Majella", eh? Was she from Limerick or something?? ;-) - Alison ☺ 06:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps he got confused with the saint, who was from Muro Lucano? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 07:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Patron saint of "falsely accused persons" - LOL!!! Too funny :) - Alison ☺ 07:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in

• Congratulations! Glad to have you on board - Alison ☺ 18:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

You recently declined to protect this page. However, the page has been the constant attack of serial sockpuppeteer

• I understand your frustration here, but there are two problems. If that user is using that many socks, they'll easily evade semi-protection and full-protection is just too restrictive here. It'll lock the article right up. Furthermore, there just isn't enough activity to warrant prot & the article is getting reverted pretty quickly. If you suspect sock-puppetry, you should probably file a report to
  WP:SSP and at least warn the editor(s). I also deleted the unfree, contentious image. If this escalates, though, please do re-report it and state that I previously declined & we can look at it again - Alison ☺
  18:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me some of my talk page and again thanks! Take Care,Arnon Chaffin ^{Got a message?} 20:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that you forgot to sign your RFAR statement in the about-to-be-opened Miskin case. Might be helpful to do so and I'd hate to throw a {{unsigned}} at an established editor who clearly just forgot to sign. :) --ElKevbo 20:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• Gahh! I'm stupid. Sorry, and thanks for letting me know :) - Alison ☺ 21:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you remove the references to Bannination (and Digg and Reddit for that matter--they were only added to give credibility to the addition of Bannination, per the editor's own admission on BN). You can see from the change log that this site has been added specifically to advertise BN--and I can provide links to their discussion threads where they state it in no uncertain terms. —The preceding

• I'd rather not as the article is protected due to edit-warring on this issue. Please discuss this on the article's talk page to obtain consensus. When done, just put up an {{
  editprotected}} message and I'll change it - Alison ☺
  01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• "fucking retard", etc, etc??? This is completely out of order. The guy has been phenomenally insulting to you. I checked and his IP address doesn't look to be a shared address so I'm pretty sure he did blank that page. That's immaterial anyway; he's now been final warned for personal attacks and if he does it again, he'll be blocked for rampant incivility - Alison ☺ 04:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ww2censor 04:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

For restoring the message. I though the user himself restored that [17]. Thanks anyways. --Aminz 04:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you transgender? If so, do you think you can be objectiive? If so, who's your immediate boss on wikipedia? —The preceding

I was going to flag this as vandalism but I looked over your contributions of recent. You could have been a bit more simple with your word choice. Also I note that a person doesn't have to be of a certain category to edit an article about it. For example I, MrMacMan, a guy can edit the article about Woman. MrMacMan ^Talk 05:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me?? LOL!! Is it any of your business? Geez. Take a look at my edit history. I'm a Czech-Irish-anime lover-admin-Catholic-atheist-lesbian-transgender-chemist-chinchilla fanatic. And my immediate boss would be this guy - Alison ☺ 05:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I'd better give you a proper answer. I'm an

Administrators' Noticeboard for Incidents where it will be reviewed. Thanks - Alison ☺

05:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

And another thing; when I punch in your 4-article edit history into Google, [18], I get an interesting answer - Alison ☺ 06:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Same person from the other place <g>. Just dawned on me - are you happy with the straight delete or were you after an oversight type action (no one on Commons has that IIRC)? Just thought I'd ask - hope things are good, regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 07:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Herby! :) And you supported me in my RfA too! Thank you so much for that. And thanks too, for the speedy on Commons earlier. Straight delete should be fine as no admins are involved, thank goodness. Just some over-zealous banned editor, is all. All part of a day's work. Thanks again, and lovely to see you over here again. Didn't know you adminned on Commons :) - Alison ☺ 07:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC) (that's two I owe you now)
  • No problem (I tend to wander - even a meta admin too, mind you sysop on books came first). I basically abandoned here - I had a "previous" user name & no it isn't banned or anything like, just didn't suit me. It was the wandering that got me to delete it almost without looking - I wandered from Meta, to Quote to here and spotted someone who took an interest in the photos of some users (I'm guessing that might be behind the request) - take care --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting my user page vandalism

I've been looking for one of those for a loooong time! ;) Thanks for wishing me happy edit day :) – Riana_ऋ 15:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• It was the chinchilla bit that was the clincher, right? They're such rare beasties :) Happy Edit Day!!! - Alison ☺ 16:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • For me it was all A1 until the cinchilla came out - damned rodents... The Rambling Man 16:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Oh, what's yer problem, Rambling? Looooook - they're widdle cuddly cutesy furballs. Awwww :) - Alison ☺ 16:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Ok, now that is cute. You win... The Rambling Man 16:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

As I have posted this to two other users for advice, I am writing to you on how do I deal with an user as he has given me and another user a vandalism tag for an edit which me and that user, as a result I tried to explain to him that I have not vandalised the article, just general editing, he went out to dish out the blame and this is become heated.

In order to post the full complaint, I have attempted to make use of the ARV button on my Twinkie, but the comments is too big for it, so how do I post this complaint against this user

Another one is, shall I reply back to him, knowing this one is more heated than his previous reply as I don't like to be the person to back down and allow him get his way, therefore I take the blame for a general edit? Willirennen 23:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[19]. Semiprot (perish the thought)? -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• I can't touch it as I've been editing there. Saw your comment all right but must stand well clear, unfortunately. Semi would be a nice idea given the high likelihood of sockery. You can bring it to
  WP:RPP (where I shall studiously leave your request for someone else! :) ) - Alison ☺
  23:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Understand completely and appreciate your ethics greatly. Will post it there. Thanks! -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Also not sure on the best approach for the single-role accounts like Faytay2002 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - I placed a vandal1 warning on that user's talk page but it's more than an experiment. Please let me know if there's a more constructive route to take to deal with single-role disruption accounts. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Never mind - Done! Thanks again for your help. :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, one more nut who thinks I'd do a good job :) Please see here—I'll have to think this one over. At length. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Make that three nuts that thinks you'll do a good job :-) Ryan Postlethwaite 00:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

You will do a good job :) Think about it some more .... then say yes! - Alison ☺ 01:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and sandbox looks good at initial glance tho' I can believe we don't have Tropisetron as that's an old but established UK drug. Hmmm ... tempting :) - Alison ☺ 01:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Why, thank you both. I couldn't believe that either; after a cursory PubMed search I actually thought it might have been described before ondansetron... Race you? (just kidding, feel free to create it):) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hah! Not that I was racing or anything, buuuut .... I won!!! :-D - Alison ☺ 00:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I noticed ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Miskin. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Miskin/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Miskin/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 17:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Bailieboro has a whiff of spam/COI about his edits, I was thinking about reverting them all but thought I'd get a second opinion. And no, I'm not suggesting it's RMS either... 19:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• They're just some newbie editor, I guess. I just welcomed them :) The book cites are fine on the Pearse article and okay-ish on the 1916 one but not really elsewhere. Now, they're adding other refs ...
  assume good faith and all that. - Alison ☺
  19:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Meh, I just get suspicious when I see someone adding books by the same author to several articles, I just wish he'd add inline citations to go with them! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• My name ain't Robert, omG I said the "R" word! Sorry. To me WP is like a state where all those nice good folk leave their front doors wiiddde open, the car on the driveway with the keys in the ignition, and then they shreik, "why is there so much crime around here". Well as long as they can rely "free gratia" folk to do their dirty-work, things ain't a changing. A! do you ever get tired? ;) Sweet dreams! Gurabamhlaidhduit 22:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• "do you ever get tired" - nope! And yeah, I figure I know you ... - Alison ☺ 22:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, I'm still alive. Wow! so you don't sleep! What are you on? Gurabamhlaidhduit 22:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Indeed, and welcome back yet again. "What are you on?" - overtime? Speed? Crack? None of the aforementioned; it's only 3:45pm here. Early days :) - Alison ☺ 22:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh yes, you're on the same time zone as I am. Heh, heh. :) Acalamari 22:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the rv on "C of S". Didn't realize that it was the American spelling. Have a nice night;)Gurabamhlaidhduit 01:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• The PP page is being used to attack "living people"
  WP:BLP. That is the situation that I was trying to prevent from happening, remember. Good revert. Gurabamhlaidhduit
  23:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! "Not on my watch", as they say. Interesting to note that you're watching it too - Alison ☺ 00:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alison, I saw you were active and thought I'd ask a favor—would you mind deleting

Oops, never mind; kindly deleted by Phaedriel. The second question still stands :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• (ec) Too late - Phaedriel just got to it :) (Phaedriel - I've not forgotten!!!) But yeah, the agonist article looks great at a glance. I'll check it over later tonight, though. Oh, and maybe make a start on Tropisetron :) - Alison ☺ 00:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks—you can now check it out at 5-HT3 antagonist. While you're there, could you assess it for WP:PHARM? I'd hate to create a conflict of interest :) As for that other thing, I've decided to accept. I'll let Samir know in the morning, and go do some reading ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I made some minor tweaks to the article - nothing major - it looks great already. I'm just about to start on Tropisetron here now. I'm absolutely delighted re. the latter and will assist in any way I can. It's way overdue :) - Alison ☺ 05:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

On Riana's talk page you said my flower thingy was a wonderful idea and thank you for that! Tomorrow, my dear, you will get the spotlight on my userpage with a flower to go with it! Have a nice day! --Endo(Exo) 01:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh my!! Thank you .... wow!! I'm honoured - Alison ☺ 19:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

iv got a question here. if that messege said it was my last warning, the next time i did that again i would lose my editing rights. am i correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.65.109 (talk • contribs)

• Yes, that's correct. - Alison ☺ 01:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

ok just checking. i dont do any editing though so it doesnt matter to me. but how would you block me from editing? im not a member— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.65.109 (talk • contribs)

We have our ways to shut you up... Mehehe >:)

Seriously tho, suffice to say that administrators can block IP adresses as well as registered usernames. Now pretty please, with sugar on top - follow Alison's instructions and refrain from any more personal attacks, or we'll introduce you to our metallic friend here ;) Have a beautiful day! Phaedriel - 05:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

i figured you could block IPs but even if you did i could change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.65.109 (talk • contribs)

• I'm sure you can. However, we can also do autoblocks, as well as rangeblocks. There's also
  checkuser
  so you wouldn't get too far. Why do you ask? - 23:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

im just curious. i figured people have done stuff like this before thinking they could get around an IP block but it looks like its pretty hard to do.

Why is what I added about McCloskey an "attack" rather than important information? I provided documentation for each point, and it is a very contentious controversy. Are you saying it is okay for her to say whatever she wants, but it is not okay to show how she contradicts herself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.109.250.81 (talk • contribs)

• Ok - I've done my best here. Wikipedia is not your arena for your personal agenda against
  neutral point of view but you're just not listening. You're not here to actually contribute to the project, rather you're here to talk about the masturbatory habits of certain persons as well as prying into the private lives of others, including a well-known editor here. Creating an account in her old legal name with a view to posting in her own biographical article is just not on. [20] It's harassment at best and impersonation at worst, I'm now blocking your IP address as well as indefinitely blocking the aforenamed account. You've been repeatedly warned here. Do feel free to take this matter further, should you wish to. - Alison ☺
  07:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison: Please see my query posted at the end of my RFA statement [21] (last paragraph). (Please don't reply on my talk page; please just add the requested missing links in your statement in the RFA page.) Thank you. --NYScholar 19:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• Fixed. Sorry about that. My changes are visible to ArbCom - Alison ☺ 19:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Alison, Thank you for apprising me of the three-revert rule and edit war idea. I was not aware of them. Had I understood, I would not have engaged in that type of exchange. I am writing because I read your comment on FCYTravis’ Talk page, and I have to say that I am disappointed that although you cautioned him about the three-revert rule, you did not censure him for deliberately playing the rules rather that working constructively with another contributor. His behavior is troubling in particular since he is a Wikipedia “administrator.”

I just went back to FCYTravis' Talk page, and he has deleted the comment I wrote to him: "I am relatively new to Wikipedia, and I did not know about the

Edit war

prior to our exchange. Thanks to Alison, I now understand both. Had I understood these concepts, I would never have gotten into that type of exchange. You, however--as an administrator--understood both ideas, and yet you chose to engage in an edit war and slander me by labeling my edits “homophobic” rather than take on my arguments in Talk: you state, “I took it right up to the three-revert rule and no more.” That is terribly disappointing behavior from an “administrator.” Your behavior in this case is a discredit to Wikipedia."

I think that FCYTavis is not playing fair. Can you please tell me what recourse I have since he will not let my criticism stand on his talk page? Do I repost? Is there another alternative? Thanks!

LCP

01:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

LCP, the reason FCYTravis reverted your comment [22] was probably because it reads as a rather strong personal attack. You pretty-much insulted the guy. Furthermore, he's just another editor while editing the

good faith on his part, and tried to dialog? He wasn't "playing the rules", he was abiding by them - just like the rest of us, really. What you are doing on the aforementioned article is not particularly polite and you should be aware at this point that if you revert to your "homosexuality does not involve romantic relationships" version, you will probably be blocked from editing - Alison ☺

02:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I am glad that you corrected me for breaking the Rv rule. I was not aware of the rule, and I did get carried away in an edit war. That is not my issue.

I am writing again because I took another look and it appears that FCYTravis did break the three-revert rule. The rule states, “An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period.” FCYTravis’ first revert was 16 May at 21:51. That means that prior to 17 May at 21:51 he should not have made more than two more reverts. However on 17 May, he made three more reverts, the last of which was at 17:45.

So now I have two issues. First, that your censure was biased against me. Second, FCYTravis’ behavior is unbecoming of an admin.

Regarding my second issue, the point is that FCYTravis was playing the rules, not playing by them. In contrast to my behavior, FCYTravis did know the rules, and contrary to your suggestion, because admins have special privileges, they need to ensure that they act according to the highest standards of behavior. I did assume that, albeit muddled, FCYTravis was acting in good faith—until I saw his comment to you. I do not see how “playing the rules,” as FCYTravis has done, is acting in good faith. As I mentioned, I did try to talk to FCYTravis. He merely deleted my comments. Regarding my question to him and suggestion that he read up on the law of contradiction, the suggestion came ONLY after he called my edit “homophobic” AND he evidenced a lack of understanding of the principle. If you read my thread, you will see that he was incapable of evidencing a grasp of the problem with the contradiction in the statements in the article’s lead.

I feel I need to say one more thing to clarify my position. I am not angry at your or FCYTravis. I respect your extensive investment in WIkipedia. However, I expect even handed treatment, and I insist that those with special privileges act according to the highest standards of behavior. That is not happening in this case, and I would like to see this problem remedied.LCP 18:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

My first point is this; FCYTravis has never commented to me. Can you possibly point out where he did? Secondly, while admins are held to high standards, all editors are, and the rules apply to all of us. My "censure" of you to-date has been one boilerplate {{

Adminstrators' Noticeboard for Incidents where others can review and comment accordingly. Thanks - Alison ☺

19:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I have written to you because of the comment you made to FCYTravis and the response he left to you on his page.

I thought I was pursuing this through the correct channels, but your email suggests that I am going about this oddly. You have more experience with Wikipedia than I do, and I think you understand my issue (even though you are annoyed with what I have written). Perhaps you can counsel me on the proper way to pursue this issue--and whether you would peruse it further. As I have tried reasoning with FCYTravis in the Homosexual Talk page as well as his own Talk page, and my efforts have been fruitless, I have no further interest in trying to communicate with him. My concern is that my issues are heard. And again, my issues are that censures be handed out equitably and that admins’ behaviors be in line with both the rule and spirit of Wikipedia. So far, I do not see how that has happened in this case.LCP 22:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Really quick response here - more detail later (busy!). I've no idea as to which comment I made to FCYTravis. If you're referring to this one, and FCYTravis' response, that was actually User:Arichnad who said that, not me. - Alison ☺ 22:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you're a little confused here on a number of issues. First, there's the whole comment-to-Travis bit. Then "I assume that a censure is a black-mark on one’s Wikipedia record" - that's quite incorrect. A talk page comment is just a talk page comment. Pretty soon, it'll be removed as time goes on and you delete/archive your talk page comments. It's a transient thing and you certainly don't have to leave it there any longer than is necessary. You don't even have to archive it (or anything else, for that matter). Account

a personal attack, which is within his rights. Posting once on his talk page and immediately reporting the guy is going to be seen as overreacting and/or vexatious. See my point here? You do realise, right, that you can also post warnings to talk pages just like I can? It's part and parcel of being an editor here. My being an admin has precious little to do with my posting the warning to your page. Consider it a friendly warning from one editor to another rather than the dreadful, inequitable, permanent slight that you perceive here - Alison ☺

22:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment from a bystander. Just a note to

FCYTravis had done three reverts & chose to remind Travis about the 3-revert-role in a different way. That any person is an admin doesn't obligate them to search out every possible violation in a dispute & warn every possible violator. If an admin (or any other editor) had done so, I would sure hope they'd be even-handed, but since Alison hadn't done so, the charge of her being biased doesn't stand. --Yksin

23:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Alyson and Yksin. Yes, I did misunderstand. Again, sorry that I offended you. I did not mean to impugn your character or motives, and I can clearly see why your read what I wrote that way. I was very unclear. I will try to be less acerbic in the future.LCP 02:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way, thank you again for pointing out the three-revert rule. I understand that you were trying to help. I am sorry that, in my confusion, I reacted to you ungraciously.LCP 02:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

That's okay. No problem at all :) - Alison ☺ 06:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

You've made a "burner" userbox. There's actually a pretty nifty Burning Man graphic here on wikipedia that would make a nice badge. I've improvised a userbox with it for my own user page. adamrice 17:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Adam. Looks like there's a userbox already available at Category:Wikipedian Burners. I agree that it looks a whole lot nicer than my one. I've just recommended that Category:Wikipedian Burners be merged into Category:Burner Wikipedians, though, as they're duplicates. Oops! - Alison ☺ 17:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of userboxes, I thought I'd drop these by:

This user has a gentle touch when dealing with controversy.

This user frequently mumbles Erin Go Bragh! to herself.

Lsi john 19:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh - thank you, John. That's too sweet :) The first one is nice, whatever about the veracity of it. Thank you so much though - Alison ☺ 17:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (Shhh!! - Erin go bragh!)

Thank you, now I have one beautiful barnstar to add to the case! I really love it, I am honoured too, for this is my very 1st barnstar (I think you knew already) ;). Thanks again, Alison, it is really appreciated. I love it! --Endo(Exo) 02:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Yay, Alison's the flower of the day! I love that pic :) – Riana ⁂ 04:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Bobby Sands man (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I'm sure you'll recognise his "charm" straight away... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 07:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh no! That guy again :/ - Alison ☺ 21:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, him again... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 07:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Alison Somebody created an article about an Albanian poet, Teki Dervishi. Since I am very found of this poet, I added some information about his published work, and changed the Serb version of names for Albanian places.(I opened an account solely for that purpose, I have never edited other articles) Serb users hysterically changed the page, adding sentences like Fascist Albania, and other things, which are openly meant to provoke and offend. Being Irish, I think qualifies you to understand these kinds of sensitivities and issues. Teki Dervishi has been persecuted by Serbia since the age of 14, and Serbia made his life so difficult that tragic epics fade in comparison. Another user has now protected a Serbian version of this article, and I find this offensive and immoral, but she refuses to change her decision. I don’t think Albanian poets should be edited by Serb users (and especially this particular poet). I don’t edit articles on Serb poets, and I actually like a few of them, but I still don’t edit their articles. Please either delete the article altogether, or protect an Albanian version of it. I don’t have time or energy to protect everything Albanian that Serbs destroy, but I would really go far to “protect” this poet. I hope you understand, and are able to help me. Best Wishes Kristina Albania

Hi Kristina. I'd really rather not edit the article, though I did protect it as it was requested on the

editprotected}} on the article's talk page, state your request and others will review it and hopefully sort it out for you - Alison ☺

21:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

KristinaAlbania 11:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC) ok, thank you