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Hi. Not sure about the old ID, but I've posted your question to Wikipedia:Help desk. They should know. Best, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 03:39, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)
Slovene vs. Slovenian
Why do you keep changing Slovene to Slovenian? --romanm (talk) 09:26, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) Answer given in Romanm's talk.
- Even after reading the discussion in Slovenians, I still do not have a clear understanding why Slovenians would be preferred to Slovenes. As you have actively participated in the debate, I would be very thankful if you put together a list of pro et contra arguments, like Nohat did for Slovene/Slovenian. In my opinion, the litteral translation for Slovenes would be Slovenci, but Slovenians would translate as Slovenijci. --Eleassar777 07:39, 16 May 2005 (UTC)]
- I would like to thank you again BT2 to denote me as a narrow-minded (xJaM 21:58, 18 May 2005 (UTC)]
- BT2 or whatever who you are, please read this dabate (Are people from Slovenia called Slovenes or Slovenians?), which deals this issue and I advise you that you do not delete contributions on talk pages of other users. They are not garbages at all. If there are grammar error in them, you might correct them, but it is not a fair game to just delete them. You can archive them. Another argument for the favour of Slovenes would be, that if we make a list of Slovenians (that is citizens of Slovenia), what should we make for the xJaM14:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- XJam, I deleted your post on my user talk because you are a hypocrite and I am sick of your GARBAGE. You've replaced Slovenian with Slovene in articles created by others, but you blast others (namely me) who replace Slovene with Slovenian. As for American born citizens of Slovenia, they are called American ex-pat Slovenians. The same is with Italians, Germans, Austrians, etc. You are not simplying things by adding new definitions for obsolete words used by only a fraction of the English-speaking world. -BT
- To be honest, I many times used Slovene, but also Slovenian. I don't prefer one form over the other. I think both forms should be accepted as valid as Wikipedia does not prefer one form of English over the other or at least as long as it takes to reach a consensus. --my talk07:12, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Please respect Wikipedia's policy my talk07:18, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I respect this policy. I do not attack BT2. I do not replace 'Slovenian' with "Slovene" in articles created by others (see xJaM10:04, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The discussion we had yesterday was transferred to
I apology for incorrectly restoring the original of Ivan Cankar. I also restored the original of Vrhnika, in the manner the original contributor put it in. For the sake of consistency, I did not change Klopotec.
Another thing I want to point out is that actually it does not matter how incredibly odd the word Slovene is. The only important thing is that Slovene is one form of English and is still used by some. I don't claim at all that it is used more or that it is more modern than Slovenian, but Wikipedia respects all versions of English: British, American, Canadian, Australian, Indian etc. and if the original contributor chose the term Slovene, then it shall remain so - I apologized for Cankar above - unless if the word (Sloven*) is itself part of the article's title or its part of an official name or both versions have been used in the text. In that case, the most common term should be chosen. Otherwise please do not change the word Slovene to Slovenian anymore, if Slovene was used firstly. If you want to see any of these words used more frequently, write new articles where they will be used. If you think my explanations are not correct, then do not revert but explain yourself. Thanks. --
If I resume, we have two different opinions regarding the use of the words Slovenes and Slovene. I argue these are completely legitimate English words and are still used by many people, the word Slovenes even more than Slovenians. I have provided references for Slovenes. You say these two are obsolete words and should not be used. I could agree as regards the word Slovene, if someone else speaking English natively would confirm it. As we seem to be in a tie, perhaps it's time to ask for a
OK, now I have searched in British Library again and as described in
I have another idea; we can ask for opinion of other Wikipedians whose mother tongue is English, they are listed
I only wish to say that if you have replaced Slovene by Slovenian in articles, you should explain to people that had used Slovene in the beginning why you have done so, as otherwise some may consider it rude. You can find their user name in the history of the articles. As for XJaM, wait a bit more before reverting him as I expect that he will be able to understand why Slovenian is better when he will have read my last post. If not, we have a bit of a problem. Leaving this aside, I'm happy that you have been so persistently and courageously defending your point. Happy wiki-ing! ;) --
Alternatively you can leave a message on the talk pages of the article. --
American Slovenes
Why are you reverting this article - American Slovenes? This is almost a
I am here also informing you that Eleassar777 did not persuade me...
No surprise...I warned him you are a hopeless irrational. "My [Slovenian] gimnazium teacher taught me Slovene was right and that's all I need to know!" Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BT2 02:56, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What is pathetic? What do you need to know? I do not understand. I am not irrational and I am pretty much of rational nature - you can see my contributions all over, do not judge just with one or two terms that do not suit you. And stop vandalizing my work. --
Okay BT2 what can I say more? I am prepared to use 'preferred' terms here (just for the sake of the order), but you must know that your actions do not show high productive work. You could simple say some words at talk or user talk pages that something is not right or correct, and then others would act according to your perceptions instead of just reverting on and on. You should also respect that these terms are still valid (at least according to sources which are available to non-English native speakers). I have endeavoured myself and translated from Russian into English a whole article for