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Bearnard, a recent edit you made deviated away from a consensus that was agreed on how the wording for the other awards sections should be written.

Bearnard, I already informed you just over a month ago about changing the way the word "contest" is written, yet you still deviate from the correct way of writing the word as shown in this edit. Could you please explain why you feel the word "contest" should be styled as Contest? If we were to be referring to the contest using its entire title "Eurovision Song Contest", then yes, we would use a capital C. However, as has been noted in several

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Wes, I'm not one for edit wars, but you're not exactly making this easy for me, so let me give you four reasons why I believe it is "X-year Contest" and not "X-year contest".

I realise we're not exactly supposed to take social media as an accurate barometer, but the biography (not a tweet, or a reply, but the biography) of the ESC's verified Twitter account states that "the 2016 Contest will take place on 10, 12 and 14 May 2016". That's a capital C, in reference to a specific edition of the ESC.

In a number of good articles (looking squarely at ESCs 2012 and 2014) there's inconsistency between "X-year Contest" or "X-year contest". (There are other mistakes in the good articles, such as citations in lead and sloppy grammar, but that's another discussion altogether.) In the lead of 2014 alone, there are 39 references to an "X-year [C|c]ontest", about 10 of which refer to an "X-year contest". I'd also go as far as saying that in both articles, spokespersons who have participated in ESC in the past as a performer or as a (co-)host have been listed as "X-job in X-year Contest." That's another capital C, referring to another specific edition of the ESC and contradicting your so-called "consensus". If anything, there's ambiguity.

The public rules of the 61st Contest (i.e. Stockholm 2016) give the Contest's proper title: "the 2016 Eurovision Song Contest". When "Eurovision" and "Song" are removed on account of their superfluity, you're left with "the 2016 Contest". That's another capital C, referring once again to another specific edition of the ESC.

Finally, "the Contest" is not a pronoun, I can agree on that, but it is an abbreviation of the proper title, "the Eurovision Song Contest". It should be capitalised at least when referring to a specific year. If anywhere, "the contest" should only be used in cases where no other year is mentioned in the same sentence.

If you don't agree with me on any of those points, you're more than welcome to get back to me. Best, Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 19:37, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are completely incorrect with what you are saying here. The word "contest" is a noun, and should never be capitalised unless it is being used in the proper noun context of "Eurovision Song Contest", which is a trademark name (proper noun). When we simply refer to something as "X-year contest", then the word contest is merely a noun. If you wish for it to be capitalised then change such so it reads X-year Eurovision Song Contest. Proper nouns and common nouns are basic English grammar, although have been a cause for confusion in this matter, which has been argued about for years. But the arguments all ended the same, by admins having to intervene and cool-down the over-heatedness.

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• And secondly, if you are going to start picking at faults like "sloppy grammar" on some of the good articles, then I would suggest you take those matters up with the highly experienced Wikipedian's who did the reviews and advised on specific changes in written content. Because the way you came across with that remark makes it feel like you are implying that I wrote with "sloppy grammar". And I am not impressed with such imperative comment.
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• Thirdly, you state that you are "not one for edit wars". Unfortunately you have edit warred in this matter. I only made the corrections from C to c on two occasions. You changed things from c to C three times, that I believe is 3 reverts (albeit not in a 24-hour period so is not classified as
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• I'm starting to wonder if this debate should be "raised from the grave" so-to-speak at
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Wesley, thanks for your message. Considering it's from the official account and I can't find a source anywhere else from the EBU I shave to do. In any case, I've also restored the results of the allocation draw in my most recent edit. Best.Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 13:18, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Despite it being from the official Twitter page, we have to be careful of

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Bearnard, in this edit summary you state the source is in German and to replace with an English citation when one is available. That is good, however, in the meantime and in circumstances like this, foreign sources are allowed and we would use the |trans-title= parameter from the template {{

Sure thing Wesley, thanks for letting me know. I was going to translate the exact quote in question re: the voting procedure, but now that you've told me I'll know for future. Thanks, Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 15:15, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Bearnard. Glad to be of help. I only found out about the trans-title thing after being a Wikipedian for 18 months. It is a handy tool to know, and allows us to still use foreign sources, even when an English one doesn't become available.

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Can you please explain what edit apparently made by me has been reverted. I have no memory of altering anything on this Eurovision page. Is it possible that somebody else could be using my identity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomani9 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This may help to answer your question. If it was in error, I do apologise, but considering it was on April Fool's Day, it could have been derived that the running order released was probably a joke. If you have anything to add please feel free to let me know. Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 18:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bearnard, please could you explain why you removed the following content (The host city will be announced at a later date, although a few cities have shown their interest in

Oh yep, that was an error. Mea culpa. I had thought that the reader would assume the host city hasn't already been chosen if none had been specified, but since it contravenes

WP:LEAD then I'll hold my hand up and say that was an error. Thanks for rectifying it for me and I hope anything else in the edit that wasn't errant is okay with you. Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 17:29, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Though just to add, I don't think linking to the bidding phase in "hosting the contest" when the bidding phase is expected to follow immediately afterward is necessary. Maybe that's just me assuming the reader will continue reading, which isn't a guarantee. Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 17:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Linking to the bidding phase and using the term "hosting the contest" is OK. It doesn't go against

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Perfect, thanks for letting me know. I was planning on finishing the article today so thanks for giving me the heads-up. Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 09:07, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I have rewritten it some more and used a picture of the church altar that you uploaded on Wikimedia Commons. (Thank you for that, by the way.) Let me know if you're happy with it. Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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