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05:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Astrobleme category

Hi! Because the impact crater articles are already categorized as impact craters, there is no need to create a duplicate astrobleme category.--Jyril 23:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually the impact craters seem to be categorized as just "craters", which is not very specific. However, almost all crater articles are about impact craters, and volcanic craters are categorized under Category:Volcanic calderas, so there is no ambiguity. Therefore we don't need another category for astroblemes. Also, astrobleme is rather obscure word (maybe not for geologists), most readers have no idea what it means (I confess, even I had to consult a dictionary). Of course, astrobleme might be more descriptive word because most impact "craters" have nothing to do with a bowl-shaped depressions.--Jyril 09:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

There appears to be some ambiguity, since Category:Volcanic calderas is appropriately a subcategory of Category:Craters, and craters are categorized by place (e.g. Category:Craters on Mars Category:Craters of North America, Category:Craters of Brazil), and on earth by time (e.g. Category:Eocene craters), but the only subcategory (prior to Category:Astroblemes) that was broken down by origin was Category:Volcanic calderas. The result is that, perhaps appropriately, Crater Lake, Oregon could be classified under Category:Craters of the United States and Category:Holocene craters, as well as Category:Volcanic calderas. Similarly, my hometown of Socorro, NM is in a heavily eroded volcanic crater that hasn't made its way into the wikipedia yet.

I agree that astrobleme is not a household word, with only 32,000 Google hits (astrobleme OR astroblemes); although it does transfer between languages well with German and Swedish: astroblem (7,000 hits), Spanish, Portuguese, Lithuanian and Romanian: astroblema (400 hits). Nonetheless, if one clicks on Category:Astroblemes or searches for astrobleme one can get the idea pretty quickly.

I am particularly fond of tear-dropped shaped ones. --Bejnar 21:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

"Impact crater" gives 457,000 Google hits, so in popularity it wins hands down. I suggest that we use the current crater categories only for impact craters/astroblemes (and rename them eventually with a less ambiguous name) and create similar category structure for volcanic calderas. If we put all the several hundred impact crater articles into the astroblemes category and volcanic crater articles into the volcanic caldera category these two categories would become impractically large.--Jyril 21:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Classification example:

Category:Craters

Category:Impact craters/Category:Astroblemes

Category:Impact craters by age

Category:Eocene impact craters

Category:Protozoic impact craters

...

Category:Impact craters by place

Category:Impact craters in Africa

...

...

Category:Volcanic calderas

Category:Volcanic calderas by place

Category:Volcanic calderas in Africa

...

...

The problem is that crater is used more extensively for volcanic caldera, than caldera is, just as it is used more extensively for astroblemes. 'Crater' is not an un-ambiguous term, and taking the word 'crater' just for half of its meaning doesn't work for me. Is there a mediation process that we can appeal to on Wikipedia?

Also, are people who are interested in location of craters more interested in where they are than in what type of origin they may have? Bejnar 22:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Voting is one possibility to solve naming problems. But this isn't really a big issue for me, I was more concerned about possible duplication of categories.--Jyril 11:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

As long as there is some kind of Wikipedia entry. Judgesurreal777 00:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the rewrite on David Choe, looks great! Sorry that guy thinks Dave isn't deserving of a wikipedia page, but I certainly don't agree with him. Eelysium 08:40, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you. The veAT aRticle seems quite spurious and A pale imitATion of the meaT analogue pAge. The reaSon i took the reference out waS i'd never heaRd the term aNd it seemed odd to give it such prominence in the summaRy. i also Assumed if it were sorely missed it would be put baCk in, aNd it would be better to err on the side of caution. pleASe go AheaD aNd Add a reference in the meaT analogue article, and let me know if you need ANy support perhAps deleting the veaT page. To be honest, i AM fairly new to wiki, and i possibly do tend to delete things thaT seem to mAKe AN ARticle seem less thaN professional without much consideraTion of consequence, paRtly aS I sAY becAuse they caN always be put baCk in. I'll try to be more measured in future chaNges.

PS: sorry for the capitalization, I'm not trying to taLk in l33t5peAk, but my keyboARd is broken :A)

I have announced your stub at Portal:Germany/New article announcements. Please add any other related article you create there. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 23:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Bejnar,

I didn't really delete a reference to the alternative name "Talas," I only took it out from the first sentence, since already listed too many names. I felt that it was more important to have the more common forms of each historic name listed there (i.e., Taraz, Dzhambul and Aulie-Ata), putting the alternative forms (Talas, Zhambyl) later in the text. Note that in the second paragraph I actually refer to the city using the name "Talas" since this name seems to be more common in that period. I then switch to "Taraz" (the Arab version) when the city accepts Islam. I also added a disambiguating link from the "Talas" article, so if anything, I think the alternative name "Talas" is featured _more_ prominently now. Let me know what you think. Qaramazov 14:51, 27 March 2006

'fraid I had nothing to do with it. Details on Talk:Tenant farmer. —Charles P._(Mirv) 22:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, i suppose you posted this message on my discussion page: http://nl.wikipedia.org/Overleg_gebruiker:MADe ,if not, please ignore this message.

I know nothing of japanese history, i only placed the history-wiki-pages i found at another site on the wiki. So i suppose i can't help the dutch wiki by translating something. Thx however for letting me know. 86.39.67.70 20:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi. You seem to be adding quite a bit to the Sima/Sial pages on Wikipedia. To most english speaking geologists, these terms are archaic (not commonly used) and are essentially synonymous with the more freqently used mafic and felsic. It might be better to merge the sial/sima info into mafic/felsic, what do you think? Cheers, Rickert 23:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:

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Constantine Conspiracy

Has the term ‘Constantine Conspiracy’ been used by others to refer to these actions by Emperor Constantine? If not, what did they refer to it as? What objection would you have to putting the material about the “authority” of the Gospel of Matthew (original) under the article Gospel of the Hebrews, if it is not already there? It seems to me that an article on conspiracy should focus on the conspiracy. I think that that would make a much better article. Bejnar 17:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Yes it has been used by others e.g. "The Constantine Conspiracy: Another remarkable claim in The Da Vinci Code is that the Bible, as we know it today, was collated by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, (231). Brown lifted this idea straight from Holy Blood, Holy Grail: It was at this point that most of the crucial alterations in the New Testament were probably made and Jesus assumed the unique status he has enjoyed ever since. The importance of Constantine’s commission must not be underestimated.7" --MeBee 04:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• • The material I cited has one central theme < The Pagan Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, wanted to change the "Jewish group" who used The Gospel of the Hebrews , into modern Christianity based on the Four Gospels. Thus my article probably needs to be expanded, not merged. Since the
    Da Vinci Code
    this has become a hot topic! I would wait for a cooling down period !

--MeBee 04:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The sad truth: not only do hundreds of millions watch the main contest, but there are also millions and millions who watch the individual country competitions. Everyone discusses the songs, newspapers write about them. Really! If I google "Amambanda", the name of this year's entry from the Netherlands which didn't even make it through the semi-finals, on the website of the largest newspaper here, De Telegraaf, I find dozens of reports. I agree with you that a few of the articles you put on AfD are completely useless, even to song festival fanatics, but as it is a bulk nomination I'm afraid keeping all is the best option. David Sneek 09:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bejnar, I saw your comment on

13:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Jane Everson Hett Campbell

I just felt it needed more eyes, that it wasn't a obvious deletion. The reason I voted No vote was that I couldn't prove or disprove the statements in the article regarding her notability, but now someone else has. Also you didn't give a reason for deletion in your {{

04:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Petrovichi

Thank you very much for your kind words on my additions to the Petrovichi article. As you can tell, I am a big fan of Dr. Isaac Asimov of blessed memory. Das Baz 15:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

See, I have serious doubts of the usefulness of your sources, as I have said in the AfD discussion. Neither are peer-reviewed, independently confirmed, or the likes. However, considering that the AfD may soon end and with this information just now coming to light (quite late in the process), you'll probably want to try Wikipedia:Deletion_review if it is deleted. They may grant you another discussion. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

In accordance with consensus on the

| 19:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Assistence requested

You may remember me from outside of Wikipedia.  ;-) In any event I wanted to ask you to take a quick look at History of New Mexico and New Mexico#History when you have a minute. I just spun the latter off from the former but don't have enough expertise in the matter to do more than a crude cut-and-paste. Thanks. Eluchil404 19:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone else -

07:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Howdy! There are some differences in the complant system verses Metayage, mostly in the realm that the prendeur had more control and was less an indenture servant then in what he became under the Metayage system. In Metayage the bailleur owns the vines as well as the soil and the prendeur is essentially only renting both. Under the complant system you saw more freedom for the prendeur to move his cuttings and rootstock to another piece of land if he wanted, especially if he could get better partnership terms. Metayage sort of became a "bastardize" version of complant and put much more control in bailleur's hand. In fact most of the criticisms in the Metayage sections wouldn't apply to complant-which is why I think its merits inclusion. I was kicking around the idea of its own article but decided there wasn't enough info to hold it's own. As for Wiktionary, admittedly I'm not the most familar with that project, would the links from metayage automatically go to the Wiktionary entry? If so, I do agree they are better suited in a dictionary style format. I just created the articles so there wasn't a red link for the word. Agne27 17:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey Bejnar, I'm going to reply back to you on the Metayage talk page. I appreciate the dialogue :) Agne27 02:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Canada_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction.Geni 19:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

This is really creepy, I was about to send an email talking about this page and the change, but it happened so long ago I logged into wikipedia to get the details, and saw your message (at the same time as I was trying to find the edit history in another window. I'm not sure what has gone on here but it looks like there are now two disambiguation pages. I can't remember the exact details of what I put where but we should make srue we are not accidently deleting somethign and then redirect one of them to the other. I am going to leave a note on the disambiguation link repair projet page to see if someon can help sort it out. Yea ignore me completly actually. I got a bit mixed up and over excited there was no dupilcation and I am smoking crax. Dalf | Talk 06:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

You seem to know a lot about this subject. I had thought the various subgroups of Moken are the only group called "Sea Gypsies." As Sea Gypsies is clearly not an indigenous term (they're not really "Gypsies" either) and could be misconstrued as referring to nomadic seafaring peoples anywhere in the world, why not just make Sea Gypsies into a disambiguation page with links to all the Wikipedia articles covering the various Southeast Asian "Sea Gypsy" groups? Badagnani 05:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I moved all the text from Sea Gypsies into Moken, putting it at the bottom so that it can later be reconciled with the original Moken text. The Sea Gypsies article was concerned mainly with the Moken, covering their survival during the tsunami, etc...essentially the same information as the Moken article. Badagnani 05:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed you put Filip Dewinter in the category "Flemish activists". That's quite an assertion ! Do you have any reputable sources to substantiate this ?

Thanks. --LucVerhelst 20:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Calling Dewinter a Flemish activist was based, in part, upon his youthful actions: "In 1978, as a 16-year old, he founded the Flemish Student Action Group (Vlaamse Studenten Actie Groep)." Activist is not the same as terrorist. You said "That's quite an assertion !" I am not sure what you mean. Activists can be liberal or conservative. But I am not sure that I have ever seen a middle-of-the-road activist. :Bejnar 20:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

"Flemish activist" is quite an honorary title in Flanders. As such, it is very POV. Bestowing such a title to a controversial political figure as Filip Dewinter is seen as taking sides for the far right Vlaams Belang, and against the democratic part of the Flemish movement. Do you have sources ? --LucVerhelst 21:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I used activist to describe political activity directed towards Flemish nationalism. If you choose to see activist as a POV word, I cannot help you. Some people, who are not necessarily Flemish, see all separatist movements as inhumane. For them, Flemist activist probably implies a negative connotation. Do you deny that Dewinter founded, or help found, the Vlaamse Studenten Actie Groep? Bejnar 21:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know whether he did. It is not relevant, I think. Do you have sources that call Dewinter a Flemish Activist, or is it just your opinion ? In the latter case, putting that cat there is original research.

Or are you going to put everybody in this category that has had "political activity directed towards Flemish nationalism" ? In that case, you should at least add someone like Wilfried Martens... --LucVerhelst 21:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I've been examining the "Flemish activist" problem a bit closer. I believe there is a deeper problem. In Flanders, the phrase "Flemish activist" has a very specific meaning, which is very much more narrow than "activist with Flemish nationality". It's more something like "someone who devoted his life to Flemish independence".

A second problem is, that in an international context, which Wikipedia is, the "Flemish nationality" doesn't really exist. For a non-Belgian, Philip Dewinter is a Belgian.

I propose to move the Category:Flemish activist to Category:Belgian activist, which is what it is meant to be : Activists by nationality.

What do you think ? --LucVerhelst 08:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I copyed my proposal to the talk page of the Category. We can continue there. --LucVerhelst 08:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

hi, gracias por avisar, me refería a la nacionalidad, de todas formas cometí un error en realidad Osmel Sousa es cubao-venezolano. Bye.--K4zem 15:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks for adding those, I really think it adds some depth to the article. Cheers! --PeruvianLlama^(spit) 21:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought that was a typo. -- Clevelander 00:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Any reason why you've gone ahead and made a category for this when the discussion at

00:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the piping. I will look at it so that I can get it right next time. Re:category, I thought that it would be easier to see the progess of the change from Malaysian geo stub to Sarawak geo stub, if the new category was apparent and not incipient. Is it the regular practice to create the template and not the category into which the template places the articles?

As far as piping is concerned, we normally don't pipe templates at all - and attempting to do so by simply adding "|*"ends up with all articles being indexed randomly at * in the category, which can cause big problems if there's more than one page in the category (200 articles). As far as the category creation is concerned, it's probably no big deal in this case, but usually they're only made if they're guaranteed to reach threshold. Normally if there's some doubt we'd make the template lead back to the parent category (in this case Category:Malaysia geography stubs) and make the category later if there were 60 or so (which we can find easily by checking the template's "Whatlinkshere" page). It's very easy to change the category over later now - no need for null edits like there used to be. As I said, in this case, it's not really much of a problem, since there are very likely to be enough articles, but if we are going to split Malaysia's geo-stubs completely by state it may be a problem with some of the smaller ones like Perlis and Melaka. Grutness...wha? 23:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

In response to your message on my talk page (copy below), the article you mentionned on Juan Matos (the unknown actor) was now deleted. If eventually someone wishes to work on the Juan Matos (quite known salsa pro dancer) article comes up, I think it should indeed be on the same page where the actor's article was hosted before. In the future, pages could be made on "Juan Matos (dancer)" if disambiguation becomes necessary. Note that I am no longer working on the salsa page so maybe that will never be an issue. Beltz 09:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Copy of your msg: Last December (2005), when you created the List of Famous Salsa Dancers, you indicated that these were "all very well known in the worldwide salsa dance community" and that "Articles will be created for each of those dancers." I am concerned about the article on Juan Matos who I understand was from Puerto Rico. It does not appear that the person described in the article Juan Matos is the famous Salsa dancer. I guess that we could move to delete the current article (afd) and afterwards you could start a new one with the data about the real Juan Matos. What do you think? signed: Bejnar 19:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Benjar thank you for pointing out where the Yakut are not Middle East but in Russia. I was sorting all myths yesterday and misunderstood where they lived I thought it was Turkey. I am at your advice reverting back to stub them as myths from Asia. Goldenrowley 23:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Piewalker and I have discussed working together to write a book called "Wikipedia for Dummies" or the like. It would be a big job, requiring several authors, a lot of time and effort. What do you think? Das Baz 16:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your quick and prompt response, and for all the useful information and ideas. One thing is clear: Since I do not have an agent, I would definitely not be the one to communicate with the Wiley people. Is there anybody who does have an agent, edits Wikipedia, and is interested in this project? (Or perhaps we should forget about Wiley and their Dummies, look for a different series by a different publisher?) Das Baz 17:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I found out about that template after I removed the text, but I've been adding to articles I've removed transwikied content from since I found it. I'm just clearing up the

08:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Scientist

You wrote: I would like you to understand that there are no alternatives for the hard work required to write a good article or biography. It requires that you immerse yourself in the subject, read articles about it, and write it from scratch. The are no quick and dirty solutions, such as infoboxes or copy/paste or placeholders or whatever you call it. In fact, it only distracts, as it requires us to go back, correct the misinformation you put in, and take out to copyvio's. For that reason alone I firmly believe it is best to delete that silly Infobox_Scientist template, as it is entirely counterproductive. The best contribution you can make for now is to take out those infoboxes you have improperly inserted, and focus on writing good articles instead. JdH 16:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that infoboxes can be abused, just like people abuse articles by importing whole foreign articles into the Wikipedia, but that has little to do with the utility of infoboxes. Work with bunix to gently correct his over-zealeous tendancies. I like well-done info boxes because they allow me to focus directly on the piece of information that I am seeking. But other times, I too find them a distraction, particularly when I am more interested more in context than in a particular fact. Nonetheless, I believe that text and info boxes can legitimately co-exist. Bejnar 16:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Those infoboxes have become a major problem. They destroy the layout of perfectly good articles, and don't add any new information. It is best to stop this now by deleting that Infobox template, before more damage is done. Let's be sensible about this, and focus on writing good articles instead. Infoboxes don't belong in good articles. JdH 17:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, what caught my eye (or ear) was the sound of axes being ground. When I saw it, it seemed to be something that would deserve a couple of lines in some other article on animal behaviour. Thanks for the update. Unfortunately it isn't a subject where I can contribute anything useful ! Best wishes. Angus McLellan (Talk) 08:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Bejnar, please help me to expand the article Timeline of fictional historical events prior to the 20th century and to protect it from gratuituous vandalistic deletion. Thank you very much! Das Baz 15:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Please can you vote at [1] to try to reach a consensus for shortening this infobox a little. bunix 00:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

(You wrote: In the Moken article you removed the lines ==Reference== <reference />. These lines pull the citations down from the text where they nest next to the individual items. It may look as though the section is empty, but it isn't. Please do let me know if you have any questions about these lines, or if you had another reason for removing them. Thanks. Bejnar 22:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC))

No I didn't! I moved them further down. You haven't restored them, you've duplicated them. If you list the references at that point in the article you miss any citations that appear later. There's one in the section 'to be verified'. C0pernicus 10:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Why did you remove the Category:Quaternary from the article International Union for Quaternary Research? Bejnar 20:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Please note that the category is a redlink cat. that means that the category does not exist & that is why i removed it please feel free to create the category and populate it.

talk • contribs • Bot

) 20:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

true redlinks are not bad unless they are with categories

talk • contribs • Bot

) 22:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

categorization

Bejnar, I put that article into history of social sciences because psychology is often labeled as a social science (probably more often than a biological science), and from a quick skim of the article it seemed like anecdotal cognitivism was closer to the traditional social science side of psychology (despite dealing with animals) than to ethology or a biological approach cognition. "History of biology" could be a justifiable alternate (or additional) category; my main concern was to remove it from the supercategory of "History of science", which tends to get cluttered with overly broad categorizations. I'll leave the categorization to your discretion, as you seem to know something about this topic.--ragesoss 21:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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17:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for what you do know anyway. --Grimhelm 20:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bejnar, thanks for the tidyup you did on

is clear that "Locations should be included in the biography portion of the body article", not in the opening sentence.

Also, the use of symbols for date and death (rather than a dash between dates) is not something I can find any support for in the MOS, and they are unlikely to be converted usefully to a blind reader. They seem particulary innappropriate in this case: a cross is hardly the right way to mark the death of a Jewish man whose life's work involved campaigning against exclusion and in particular against being forced to take christian oaths as a precondition of public office.

So I have reverted the opening sentence to comply with the MoS. --BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 06:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

See reply on my talk. --BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 12:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm encouraged that we could do something positive. Even though we don't agree 100%, I'm grateful we agree enough to do good things together. Bravo, and thanks. BusterD 22:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that, not really helpful if I don't explain it... It's

05:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

Do consider suggesting entries for Template talk:Did you know from any new articles you create. In particular, I think Adamou Ndam Njoya is a perfect candidate to bring a little variety to the main page. — BrianSmithson 04:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well there are numerous references to his woodcuts & "copper-engravings" in the article - more than 1911 has on most printmaking artists in fact. I am working my way through the whole printmaking area to improve articles & will no doubt do something on Cranach in due course Johnbod 19:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry there was an improper link; if you follow this link (

) you will see that it refers to the Distinct Environmental Uniform. Before DEU was introduced, army, navy and air force all wore the same dress uniform (CF Greens), work uniform (the dreaded "bus driver" uniform), and mess dress (the midnight-blue CF Mess Dress). After the introduction of DEU, these uniforms were replaced by service-specific uniforms; for example, scarlet mess jackets for the army, black work dress for the navy, etc. Sorry for the confusion.

On a related note, it would help if you provided the following information when requesting clarification:

• an actual link to the edit; barring that,
• the exact date and the article or talk page in question.

This will help in trying to track down something written nine months ago. Thanks! -- SigPig \^{SEND - OVER} 19:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, this is really weird. I typed the above answer promptly to your enquiry, got your reply, checked your talk page, saw that my answer was not there, scribbled a hasty reply, then when I go to ad it, it's here now, as if I just posted it. I think this is what happens when you have too many editing tabs open in FireFox.

What I was saying in my second reply was, yes, I updated the DEU link when I saw that it was bad (you pointed that out - thanks); but I also replied as above.

The reason for this second answer is just to let you know I did indeed reply, as is my habit, but for some reason either I or the Wiki editor did not post it (more I think about it, the more I am inclined to believe it was carelessness on my part regarding the "Save" button). I was not ignoring or dismissing your question.

Anyway, hope I helped some, and did not tick off a colleague. Cheers! -- SigPig \^{SEND - OVER} 20:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Webpage of Tokat's governor is providing information about Osman Pasha. Here is the link: http://www.tokat.gov.tr/pages.asp?id=26 However webpage is in Turkish. I may help you with Turkish issue if you like. We may talk again and by the time I will try to find new sources from my University's library.

14:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• I have borrowed a book about Osman Nuri Pasa from library. Name of the book is Gazi Osman Paşa and author's name is Metin Heper. I started reading it and contribute to the article as soon as possible. I read first few pages and on page 26, it was written that Osman Pasa was born in Tokat(1832). Just another source..:)
  Ugur Olgun
  10:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Gazi Osman Paşa: yarali maresal by M. Metin Hülagü ISBN: 9750036816 --Bejnar 21:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have read up on the Chechnya war and found out that there were skirmishes in Grozny in both March and August. Personally, I wouldn't call them "battles". --Ineffable3000 20:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bejnar,

Thank you for merging these two pages. :-)

Should "Maroon (people)" be instead simply "Maroon people"?

But thanks again for doing that!! --

01:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the Surma page. I'll check it out. --

06:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You're right, that's exactly why it's linked to the html. It's generally considered standard policy in dog breed articles (for those of us who can't open doc files). Hope this answers your question, regards. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 12:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for addressing this - I didn't feel quite bold enough to do it myself, but I can help later this evening at reverting some of the remaining 30 or so. Cheers and thanks! Geologyguy 23:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikify

It is a feature of

to tag articles with wikify or uncategorised. The wikify tag is based I believe on the number of wiki-links in the article. If it seems inappropriate, by all means remove it.

ISBNs

Worth chatting with other ISBN hunters (User:EdJohnston comes to mind), I don't have a very strong feeling one way or the other. If you leave it, I would suggest leaving the template, and possibly putting in an HTML comment.

(GMT).

Hi Bejnar, Can you give me an example? I've been cleaning up a fair number of ISBNs myself recently. I'm wondering if what you're speaking of is what has been called an invalid or a cancelled ISBN elsewhere. If the ISBN is wrong everywhere, I've been trying to not list the ISBN so that it will not continue to be flagged by SmackBot; rather I've been listing the LCCN and/or OCLC instead. Maybe we need to develop a flagging system of some kind for cancelled/invalid/always wrong ISBNs so once confirmed as such, they aren't listed with the ones that truly deserve fixing. Just my two cents ... I'm relatively new to this ... Regards, Keesiewonder 21:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the example! I like the idea of keeping the invalid ISBN around ... as long as it doesn't generate error tags. In your example, is it the ... or the spaces amidst I S B N that avoids the tagging by SmackBot? Do you know for sure SmackBot avoids these? The example you gave me appears to have been created within the hour, so SmackBot probably hasn't had a chance to catch it yet. The only other thing I may suggest is when available to additionally include an OCLC or LCCN since some catalogs, I believe, deliberately do not list incorrect/invalid/cancelled ISBNs. Just a thought. Regards, Keesiewonder 22:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• FYI if you want to append it in to the
  Ekpeye article, I've been using a link like this: OCLC 53842667 Keesiewonder
  22:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

• Even better is the template style of {{OCLC|53842667}} yielding
  OCLC 53842667. Keesiewonder
  23:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:Military brat

A few months ago, you voted to delete a category:Military brat. It has been reintroduced and once again is being nominated for deletion. The discussion is here. I am contacting you so that you can revisit the discussion, but before doing so please read the article Military brat (U.S. subculture) as the term is not POV and is a highly researched subject. The previous discussion was done before I got involved, but I think you will find out that this is a credible subject worthy of its own category. Balloonman 22:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bejnar, I have made a proposal on the discussion that I would like you to look at. Basically it is this. Military brats are the largest subcategory of

Third Culture Kids and then creating a subcategory on military brats. This will alert those who are unfamiliar with the term that we are dealing with a scientifically studied definable term. It will let people know that we are not dealing with a mere "slang" term that those unfamiliar with the term might find offensive.Balloonman

17:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Merger of Timeline of entomology

Just a couple of suggestions. Take a look at all of the various merge templates at

Template:Mergeto

is useful to direct discussion to a common Talk page.

More substantively, the

Timeline of golf history, Timeline of computing and Timeline of Afghan history. For another problematic solution see, for example, 1804 in the United Kingdom, et seq. which replaced the Timeline of English history. I, and I am sure others, would be interested if you have suggestions about how long timelines can be handled in a more satisfactory way. Wikipedia:Timeline and Wikipedia:Timeline standards are not very helpful on this issue, but they do have some good suggestions that might be implemented in the Timeline of entomology article. --Bejnar

16:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The major problem with that article is not that it's so long it needs to be split up into more than one article, it's that the vast, vast, vast majority of the listed information simply is subtrivial. Cut all the unnecessary crap out, and I already gave suggestions on what those would be, and then you wouldn;t have to have umpteen zillion pages. DreamGuy 20:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)