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Thank you for taking the time to add so much information to the Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Hobbit music pages. They look so much better than they did before. Your work is appreciated. Adervae (talk) 22:18, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Best wishes, Frank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falstaft (talk • contribs) 01:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. I'm nothing if not attentive. Its a crying shame that we don't have a Williams-approved menu of themes. In the absence of such a document, however, I took the various analyses I could find - chief among them are Matessino's, Adams' and yours, and synthesized them as much as possible. Again, in the absence of a definitive list of themes, I had to not only provide a list, but also to refer to and contextualize any list that differed from the one featured in the article, both to avoid confusion and rampant re-editing by the less-informed. I view it as serving a similar purpose to your (very enlightening) section on "incidental" motifs. Unfortuantely, this proved to be very tricky to write clearly, and it certainly needs another pass or two. Now, to refer to your points one at a time:

• As for your treatment of tracked themes - that's fair.
• The third Kylo Ren motif strikes me as an introduction figure to his conflicted theme. Generally, all my other sources largely took an exclusive approach, and identified themes, however long-lined and multi-faceted they were, as a single thematic idea, and I chose to side with that approach. Furthermore, that's the approach that Williams own words on the subject seem to imply. Its easy to deduce from his writing regarding the Imperial March in the Empire Strikes Back liner notes. Kylo Ren's material is the exception where Williams clearly spoke of a secondary theme, but not of a tertiary one.
• Regardless, I think its important to reference for the sake of illustrating how others might see a leitmotif there where in fact there isn't one. I'll make my point a little more clear in the edit. As for the First Order motif - needs another listen, but I think I'll include it in the list.
• They can be seen as variations of one another, so without the composer's intentions to hand, its still subjective whether this is a stylistic device or a deliberate leitmotif. I'm more than willing to include it in there, if you feel there's a strong case there.
• I wouldn't say criticize, but rather contextualize. In reconciling the various analyses, I occasionally had to resort to personal judgment. As I said, I simply sided with the majority of the accounts, and with what I was able to deduce of Williams own words on the subject. It, like the entirety of the section, can certainly be expressed differently!

As an aside, you'll notice some of my sources identified some of your "incidental" motifs as themes, and gave them a clear designation. E.g. your "ominous arpeggios" are, according to John Takis and Karol Krok, a "Mystery motif", your "Lydian Fanfare" as a motif for victory, etc. Very interesting. I'll be thinking about what to do with those.

Thank you for your input! Expect the article to be changed within a day, and feel free to offer further input once it does. -Chen Geller (talk) 18:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)-[reply]

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