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This is the first time i have ever made a wiki page, and i was wondering if you could help me out.

Draft:Flexiv Robotics

I follow robotics news closely, and i thought it would be a good idea to make a page about Flexiv. I'm not connected to the company, but i have seen them at a couple of trade shows.

As i only really know about robotics, i thought i would give writing about them a shot. I am going to re-edit the content so it doesn't get flagged for 'unambiguous copyright infringement', but if you could give me any help or suggestions it would be much appreciated. I included a lot of quotes, but does this mean i will have to paraphrase them?

Anyway, like i said if you have any hints or tips please let me know. I never imagined it would be so difficult!

P.s.

I know it must be a pain to deal with someone who has no idea what they are doing, please bear with me, i will get better eventually.

Kind regards,

Spidersinthecupboard Spidersinthecupboard (talk) 10:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Spidersinthecupboard, regarding the COI query which I made on your own talk page, please give your response to it also on your talk page; that way it can be more easily seen by others.

Regarding the use of direct quotes, you can use them as long as you do it in line with the

MOS:QUOTATIONS

guidance; no need to paraphrase (in any case, too close paraphrasing is a form of copyright violation, and should therefore be avoided).

Creating a Wikipedia article is difficult at the best of times, and you've picked just about the most difficult topic imaginable — a company. Your draft will come under intense scrutiny and be declined/rejected for the slightest reason, so your job is to give the reviewer none. Make sure:

• That your sources establish notability per
  WP:ORGCRIT
  beyond any doubt.
• That you avoid even the slightest hint of promotional or
  peacock
  language.
• To only summarise what reliable published sources have said about the company, without any
  original research
  , embellishment, etc.
• Not to go into excessive detail about the company's products and services, their management team, corporate history, etc., unless these are genuinely central to the story. At the same time, give the reviewer a clear reason why this company deserves to have their own article, ie. what makes them noteworthy and not just an unremarkable
  ROTM
  business.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello DoubleGrazing thank you for going through

RS. Just take a look The Hindu, The Hindu, The Hindu, The Hindu, The New Indian Express, The New Indian Express, The Hindu, The Indian Express, The New Indian Express. So the question over here is "The Hindu" reliable ? The answer is YES. Same quesion is here with "The New Indian Express" and "Indian Express" are they Generally Reliale ? The answer is YES. So according to WP:RS the news coverages which I added there on the draft are all reliable. Please check those fact and guide me. If there are any other issue then guide me ill try to improve thank you. Samir Bishal (talk

) 19:14, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I cant reply there since its archived but felt I must. Yes I read it, again and again and also noted to look on other's pages to find that not all is cited and of course I looked at his peers. please LMK what excatly needed and I will supply it if possible. It's strange a proffesor whom has an hebrew page, a few books, many many articles, head of a program in one of the biggest and few uni' in Israel, cant get a wiki page but maybe it's something I missed and I will fix it. Thank you! BarI2021 (talk) 08:28, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:NPROF, because that's the reason why this has been declined three times already. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk

) 08:36, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. You also wrote so this is why I wrote you. I didnt mean the draft is arvhived. As for demonstrating notability, well I am not sure how to more then I have already.. I placed a few links to his articles which are cited a lot!, mentioned he is the head of the departmenet, wrote 4 books.. Can you please be more specific in helping me what to do? Thank you! BarI2021 (talk) 13:19, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Can you plz reply and help? BarI2021 (talk) 08:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:NPROF (click on those links to see what the guidelines require), and so far you haven't. If you cannot find evidence that proves either type of notability, then chances are this person isn't notable, and therefore cannot have an article. You cannot magic notability out of thin air, it either is there or it isn't. -- DoubleGrazing (talk

) 09:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Nonetheless I hope I clarify my standpoint and thank you for taking your time to read my draft. WikiSingaporeEdits (talk) 10:32, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiSingaporeEdits: okay; please make this statement on your talk page in response to the query I posted there, so that others can easily find it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:49, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiSingaporeEdits I actually meant on your talk page, but fine. :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Replied on user's own talk page. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:39, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, You appropriately rejected my request to publish a Wikipedia article because an article already exists about David W. Orr. In my sandbox, I made substantial updates and corrections, and added citations to the article about David Orr. Can you please explain how to transfer those updates in my sandbox to the live article for a Wikipedia reviewer to consider? ~~~

Keep Colorado Wild (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Keep Colorado Wild: there's no way of transferring them (that I know of, at least); it's just a case of copypasting the additional content from your sandbox to the live article. I suggest doing it in a series of edits, rather than trying to do everything in one bulk edit, in case something goes wrong (and also, in case others take issue with some of your additions, that way they won't have to revert the whole thing). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:20, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. This is great advice, especially the part of making a series of edits. Keep Colorado Wild (talk) 20:59, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! You left a message on my talk page. Thanks for the feedback, but I don't have any external relationship with the person mentioned on the page. I only see her posts in promotional pages and found out that a lot of articles have been written about her, that's why I've decided to write about her. Aside from her, I'm also planning to write an article about other international Filipino Wattpad writers just like Neilani Alejandrino, but I'll write about her soon once the issues for this article are solved. Is there anything I can do to improve the Draft:Zowey Rens - Wikipedia ? Thank you Kaizen the Great (talk) 13:13, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Why is the article considered promotional and not written in neutral point of view when I just wrote based on what I've read on Google News? Does it mean that those Google News articles are not stated in a neutral point of view, too, and are promotional? Thank you 175.176.67.235 (talk) 06:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Who are you, and what article are you referring to? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm Kaizen Rose. I'm referring to the article entitled "Zowey Rens". If that was promotional even though I wrote it based on what I read on Google News, does that mean Google News articles are promotional, too? If so, then I won't use those sources in my future Wiki articles. Kaizen the Great (talk) 12:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

And if Google News articles aren't promotional, then what can I do to make the article sound neutral? Because I've been asking editors about this but seems like no one wants Wikipedia contributors to improve. Lol. Kaizen the Great (talk) 12:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kaizen the Great: firstly, Google News is not a news source, it's a news aggregator; all the articles you were citing were originally published by someone else. As such, Google News is neither promotional nor non-promotional; neither reliable nor non-reliable.

Secondly, you should never copypaste content from your sources (and I'm not saying you did), you should only summarise and paraphrase. This means that if the article you're writing turns out to be promotional, that's down to you, not your sources. Even if the sources are promotional, you can still write a neutral article based on them, and vice versa.

And yes, this draft really was very promotional throughout.

I don't think there is much chance of having an article published on this subject, which quite simply doesn't appear to be notable enough. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

If so, how to make an article sound neutral? Because I've been seeing a lot of Wikipedia articles about different writers and I think mine and their articles sounds the same. Just like this article

Jonaxx - Wikipedia

Does the article sound neutral or promotional? Because I've been basing the tone of my article on the article mentioned above.

Thanks. Kaizen the Great (talk) 12:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for flagging up the Jonaxx article, it has all sorts of problems, and I will look into dealing with it.

See

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS

. There will inevitably be articles out there that are promotional, don't meet notability criteria, etc., but this is no reason to create more such problems.

In any case, you should not use existing articles as a model (unless, perhaps, they are rated

GA = good article); you should follow the various guidelines instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk

) 13:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Sarath2003 (talk) 07:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sarath2003 You want to replace the photo? Fine, go ahead.

Your draft still contains what looks like significant copyvio. You need to get rid of it ASAP, copyright violations are not acceptable even in the draft space.

Even then, this draft would not be accepted, as it seems to be entirely unreferenced, the list of external links is far too long, etc. Please see

WP:REFB

for advice before submitting the draft.

Also, I will post on your user talk page a message about conflicts of interest. If you have any sort of external relationship with this person, you must disclose it. If you have no such relationship, please state that clearly on your talk page. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi DoubleGrazing, Thanks for your feedback re. the copyright flagging for the Frozen Planet II article. Is it the list of key species / filming locations that are falling foul here, (that's the only part I copy and pasted)? Everything else is written in my own words albeit using the original material.

Appreciate any pointers. Merely another passerby (talk) 06:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Merely another passerby It's not just that, there is also other content that seems to have been at the very least closely paraphrased, see here. But because it wasn't entirely clear-cut, I requested a review by someone more knowledgeable than myself. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll rewrite the offending phrases. Merely another passerby (talk) 06:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, created a rewrite at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frozen_Planet_II/Temp.

Seems to pass now using the toolforge link you supplied earlier. https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Talk%3AFrozen+Planet+II%2FTemp&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fmediacentre%2Fmediapacks%2Ffrozen-planet-2

thanks Merely another passerby (talk) 07:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Merely another passerby Yes, that's certainly an improvement. However, the copyvio detector doesn't return pass/fail as such, it just reports on similarity. Basically every passage that is highlighted in red is a potential problem; ideally there shouldn't be any, apart from names, publication titles, etc. which obviously cannot be reworded, as well as direct quotes (which must be clearly marked as such). So I would suggest that there is still more work to be done here. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok we are down to just names now when I run the check. ;)

Thanks for helping me become a better editor. Merely another passerby (talk) 08:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

is there any need of further changes for moiz abbas or I should wait ? شاہ فہد (talk) 19:14, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@شاہ فہد: the draft has been resubmitted and is awaiting review, so just wait until a reviewer gets around to it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

hello, I've been using Wikipedia since 3 years but have never used SandBox can you tell me a bit about this feature --Raffay78681 (talk) 11:34, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Raffay78681: welcome, and thanks for your message.

The sandbox is an area where you can experiment with editing, test out features, etc., without it affecting any published content.

There is a shared one at Wikipedia:Sandbox, which also tells you a little bit more about how it works. Note that this shared sandbox gets automatically reset after a while, so don't do anything there which you may want to keep, or which you need to work on for a long time.

You also have your own personal sandbox, which you can see in the horizontal menu on the very top of each page, when you're logged into your account. That one is better suited for eg. developing new article drafts.

Hope this helps, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:49, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

When I publish an article, I make sure to add sources and citations to it. I added many independent sources to ensure neutrality and notability of the article. 2001:F40:904:4D8B:2BD8:BAD4:8FF5:C066 (talk) 08:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Evidently not. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

H, I was wondering how to create an article. --Bruh meme24 (talk) 19:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @

WP:YFA for advice.-- DoubleGrazing (talk

) 11:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for approving my submission 2607:FEA8:B069:5F00:614E:BE3:3E9:7DCD (talk) 11:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing. I don't know who you are, or what submission you're referring to, but you're welcome all the same. :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello there

could you please delete this draft article for now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:SuzanMarie I am requesting this you on behalf of her as she does not want this page for now. Maulik.b.dave (talk) 07:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Not how it works mate. Unless you want a sitewide block, I'd suggest you stop making endless requests to delete this page. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Maulik.b.dave: I couldn't deleted it if I wanted to, as I'm not an admin. And you need to stop messing with the draft, before you get sanctioned. You've been advised to seek help at the Teahouse, and that sounds pretty good to me. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

It ia allright my friend. It was It was a mistake of me, due to my not perfect english. I didn't mean to publish an article. Anyway, I'm doing tests in the sandbox. Οσελότος (talk) 12:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you about borderline. I reckon it stands a fighting chance so I'm going to take a punt and accept it. If it goes to AfD I'll remain neutral 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Timtrent, agreed; in fact, I meant to do that yesterday but forgot. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 04:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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Please Review & approve Moiz Abbas, 119.152.232.180 (talk) 19:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Sigh. So many socks, so little drawer space. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Timtrent quite so. Thanks for opening that SPI, I was being plain lazy and just requested G5 speedy on Draft:Priyanka kewat, thinking someone will connect the dots and make a sock out of it. Which you did. :) Ta, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I have found a good knitting pattern for socks. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I reckon sock-knitting skills will come in handy this winter, what with heating costing more than the average UK house. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:43, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Your decline of this draft wasn't reported on Danceswithedits talk page, I wonder why not? Theroadislong (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Theroadislong: seems it was (most recently) submitted from an IP, so the notification probably went there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah yes hadn't noticed that! Theroadislong (talk) 16:03, 1 October 2022 (UTC)