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I don't mean to cast anyone in a bad light, but don't you (as someone who has I think followed that whole discussion, though I am half-asleep atm) think that FightingMac and Wikiwatcher are getting somewhat vicious toward each other? It seems to be getting more and more ferocious on the DSK things. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 03:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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- Thanks Philippe, appreciated. I can only take credit for the code - the ideas and the urgency came from other people. :) --Errant (chat!) 07:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Stopping the deletion of a useful image.
Hello, I'm very concerned that the following image will be deleted. File:ATPsynthase labelled.png It is a very useful image used by several links explaining the ATP synthase protein - which is of high biological importance. I don't understand the reason - "no timestamp given". Could you please explain what this means, plus how we can change the deletion to a non "speedy deletion" until further discussion occurs. Thank you, Aqua112233 (talk) 06:22, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hmmm, well it seems someone put together a malformed deletion request and my bot picked it up. It looks like someone on commons has noted the problem and declined the deletion nomination, so the image seems safe for now :) You've raised some bugs I need to look into with the bot though :) --Errant (chat!) 08:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
DYK for St Denys' Church, Sleaford
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Stale draft?Hi, Errant. While reviewing the last few edits that Wikid77 made prior to his block, I noticed that he moved his WP:STALEDRAFT (i.e. the page stores a user's preferred revision of disputed content), and that there could well be grounds for an MfD. What do you think? SuperMarioMan 22:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
IdeaCreate a mini-project to bring the articles of Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb up to GA/FA status. Possibly expand to include others whose deaths became symbols of war and peace (i.e. Pat Tillman). Would you like to work on something like this? Ocaasi t | c 23:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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Re: Edits at DontDateHimGirl.comAppreciate you taking a stab at editing on that article-- it's been sorely in need of additional eyes. A note about your content removal, however: it appears you excised large sections without really explaining your reasoning, or summarizing the content that was being eliminated. In the case of this edit [1] you seem to have left an incomplete sentence, along with removing the crucial discussion, central to the controversy, that the site is used by women to anonymously post profiles and data about men, without any verification or adequate means of removal. Your second removal of an spin-off project states in the summary it's not from a reliable source -- the appropriate means would be to tag it for better citation. In fact, the announcement of the site "DontDateHerMan.com" was covered in multiple, media sources-- outside of the owner's original blog. For example: a 2006 New York Times article notes, "Ms. Joseph, who is planning to start a companion Web site for men, DontDateHerMan.com, said she understands the anger her site provokes." This was even picked up by an Israeli news source and on Wonkette.com) In an article for one site, and in her own blog reports that the site actually was in pre-launch in 2007 -- and an About.com writer reports that Yahoo Buzz showed "Don't Date Her" as the #5 mover-and-shaker for the week of August 17, 2007. So my feeling is, it is germane to the topic to discuss the particular spin-off, as it was announced and publicized enough to get media coverage. -- HidariMigi (talk) 23:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Brutal deletion of old historic mapHI! Your robot removed a 120years old map about Louis The Great's rule (Louis_role.jpg) The map is originally part of the Hungarian Encyclopedia Pallas, it was printed in 1890. It is clearly older than 70 years. There is source: The full map: http://keptar.oszk.hu/000500/000590/magyaro-nagyl-terkep_nagykep.jpg , here is the informative source: Kapcsolódó dokumentum: A Pallas nagy lexikona : Magyarok eredete, the last edition of Pallas Encyclopedia was printed in 1910. Can you upload this important historical map again, and insert it in its former wiki articles? Than You!--Darkercastel (talk) 07:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
The source is here: http://keptar.niif.hu/html/kepoldal/index.phtml?id=000590 http://keptar.oszk.hu/000500/000590/magyaro-nagyl-terkep_nagykep.jpg Can you upload and paste it in its former English Wiki articles? Sorry, I have'nt enough edits on wiki to modify important semi-protected articles :((( --Darkercastel (talk) 10:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
That bloody articleI think this whole issue of reporting the pair being found guilty at the first trial is a major source of the accusations of NPOV, BLP violations and possibly some other alphabet soup. It would be really good to nail it this time, one way or the other although there's never been any success before! pablo 09:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, BLP, DSK and all that!Hi there, how's it going? I see you have walked away from DSK and all that, just to reassure you the article is now 99.9% pruned and the last prurient-detail obsessive has given up and gone to the fork! I have probably not edited anything useful on WP for about 10 days due to getting dragged into DSK and being accused of edit-warring (ridiculous as the version of the article now could be read to a 3-year old without causing offence whereas we had editors insisting on anal sex etc., who have moved onto other things, probably Ratko Mladić).
What to do? I know you are working on your draft but, in general, if people want to argue about the semantics, or a dash, or the name of some disputed islands, then let the debate rage and (hopefully) common sense (sensus communus, not bad eh? ;-) ) will prevail.
Where I find this problematic is with BLPs. One insistent editor pointed out "over 860,00 people viewed this page in the last week, that's why we should publish every detail that is relayed in RSs". Basically, totally ignoring the notion of WP:NOTNEWS that yourself and AndytheGrump and myself were trying to point out. Sorry, but this is totally missing the point of WP, what do you think? I don't know where to suggest it, but I think a roving BLP watchdog could be useful to enforce policy, I think the same happened with Assange, all of a sudden 25% of WP editors want to add stuff and then the media coverage dies down and Bin Laden is killed or DSK arrested and they go obsess over something new. I think this seriously undermines the mission of WP, and, frankly, some people's insistence and refusal to read plain English is quite demoralizing. I personally think that high-profile "in-the-news" BLPs should get extra supervision and stuff to stop this happening in the future. It seriously drained me and I was asking myself cabal or not cabal, that is the question? CaptainScreebo Parley! 21:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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While it is good that a notification is issued, the actual message is pretty useless. First of all it invites readers to challenge the speedy, but neither in the message nor the linked guideline is it explained how to actually go about challenging the speedy. Secondly it states "there is no rush to respond". The message was delivered at 09:00 and the image was deleted at 10:26. Well yes, that might be slower than on Wikipedia - an hour and a half as opposed to minutes - but it still requires a pretty fast response to stop it. At least you could link to the deleting admins comments, anyone who does not know their way around here hasn't got a hope of finding the "who" and the "why".
I am not particularly trying to get this image undeleted, I am trying to get the messages to Wikipedia improved. SpinningSpark 12:54, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Adding to the request above, I believe that no source/ no permission/no license notices should be transmitted to wiki-en as well, since they are in practice nominations for deletion, and in some cases input from Wikipedia users could be useful to solve those situations.--- Darwin Ahoy! 13:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- As a matter of practice, I often do put a note on the page of en-wp article that is using an image, usually where it is the only image of a subject that we have. However, that's really up to the individual. Identifying and dealing with copyvios is a thankless and endless task. If there is a bot that could do that task, fantastic, but otherwise I can't see much traction in the suggestion that we force volunteers to do it. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
This request is out of place, here. Ask the bot-author
- Rillke, this seems a perfectly reasonable place to discuss the text. If any consensus is to be reached, it probably needs broad discussion, which probably won't happen where you suggest. - Jmabel ! talk 16:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's a problem of en.wikipedia not of commons. -- RE rillke questions? 06:43, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
- Came across this by complete fluke :) I'm the bot operator (I wrote it because we realised it was impractical and unfair to ask commons contributors to notify other wiki's). Darwin; that is a useful point, and I will have a look into no license taggings, they should be fairly easy to add into the bot code. Regarding the template text; the place to discuss it definitely is my talk page :) To address the points raised:
- Speedy deletions here tend to come in a bunch (at least by my testing), some can hang around for hours or days and some for minutes. I try to catch them as soon as they are tagged
- I am not very versed in commons policy/help pages - is there a better link I can use in the template?
- Changing the text is definitely something to discuss on en-wp, with input from Commons as needed, the bot is purely for English Wikipedia so it is up to editors there to decide what it is they want :)
- Originally a further notification would have been added to the page with a "this image was deleted for the following reason" template, once the image had been deleted. This was vetoed on en-wp by a couple of people; rethinking it I could probably go back and add some new text into the speedy notification section to say "now this image has been deleted - for X reason". I'll add it to my todo list.
- Thanks for the feedback, it is probably best to ping me on my talk page (here or en-wp) as I may forget to check back here in time --ErrantX (talk) 13:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
- Came across this by complete fluke :) I'm the bot operator (I wrote it because we realised it was impractical and unfair to ask commons contributors to notify other wiki's). Darwin; that is a useful point, and I will have a look into no license taggings, they should be fairly easy to add into the bot code. Regarding the template text; the place to discuss it definitely is my talk page :) To address the points raised:
- Just say that anyone who has concerns about "speedydeletion" and "no license", "no permission", "no source" should put it on the talk page (link it) of the image. Everyone should be able to find the "normal DR" discussion. After the image has been deleted, it is probably good to provide a link to the log (you'll see the admin who deleted) and to commons:COM:UR. -- Rillke (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks :) I will add those to my bug tracker and try to look at sorting them out early next week when I have an update pencilled in for the bot. --Errant (chat!) 15:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
- Just say that anyone who has concerns about "speedydeletion" and "no license", "no permission", "no source" should put it on the talk page (link it) of the image. Everyone should be able to find the "normal DR" discussion. After the image has been deleted, it is probably good to provide a link to the log (you'll see the admin who deleted) and to commons:COM:UR. -- Rillke (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
What else?
Honestly, not too sure how I should have handled that. I strongly felt that the statement was made in an attempt to intimidate editors that RS disagreed with. I left two pretty darn polite requests, and got a response with a bit of an explanation and blown off. Fairly straight-forward request to ANI, and get a diatribe of the usual garbage in response. And honestly (as I pointed out on the talk page), does anyone NOT get the point that side is hammering into our heads? And more importantly, does anyone disagree with the point? Wikid77 already tried to get the word "convicted" out of the lede which is ultimately what I suspect the pro-Knox editors are trying to eventually accomplish. Sigh. And of course, the usual clamor for Jimbo.
- Well, hindsight is a great thing - you just did what seemed logical. I wasn't blaming you :) I'd just have ignored it, and if they kept up the discussion pointed out it was off-topic and they should stop per NLT. But, "meh", what happens happens. My patience with the article/talk page is exhausted also - am off away for the weekend :) so hopefully that will refresh me. Have a good weekend! --Errant (chat!) 08:57, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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Mau Mau
Thanks for re-adding the protection. That guy just does not give up. He likes to refer to Mau Mau as 'terrorists', which is about all you need to know. Anyone without an agenda, though making no apologies for Mau Mau brutality, would pick a less loaded term like 'militant' or 'rebel' or 'fighter'. I can reduce the article bloat and finish it off next week, I have some time. Thanks again. Iloveandrea (talk) 00:34, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- That sounds good :) Give me a shout if you have any more problems. --Errant (chat!) 11:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
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- Thanks John, that's very kind & much appreciated - and a good boost. :) This last week was pretty busy for me and I am taking a well deserved holiday next week (of to Glastonbury) so I think I will be going on a bit of a Wikibreak on Sunday night till a week Tuesday. Been a little "burned out" the last few days so a break and coming back fresh will be good. also... I stupidly started playing Minecraft again... which messes with my time :) --Errant (chat!) 11:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Errant. I hope you don't dread seeing my signature on your talk page again. ;) Would you be willing to close and summarize the long discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Doncram NHRP stubs? The debate started on 31 May 2011 and has still not been resolved. If you don't have the time or inclination, then no worries. Cunard (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hey. Unfortunately in the past I've had involvement (against) Doncram and his work. It's a close call but speaking personally I feel too "involved" to close it. Sorry :) --Errant (chat!) 17:34, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, no worries. :) Would you be able to look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Philip Baird Shearer (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Content RFC closure) or Talk:September 11 attacks#Arthur Rubin reverts good faith edits (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive248#Requesting brave admin to close contentious RfC)? Cunard (talk) 23:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm, I took a look at both of them - and made a start reading through... and then just couldn't work myself up to it. Sorry.. busy week for me. --Errant (chat!) 11:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, no worries. :) Would you be able to look at
MoMK hatting
The discussion on a potential Knox article is derailing. I tried to hat the off topic sniping [2], but was the subject of a threat by TMCk and an insult by Black Kite. I don't suppose you would consider weighing in.LedRush (talk) 23:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- I've dumped the whole section - and tried to summarise the general outcome of the discussion, with suggestions on where to go next. Someone may re-open it... but I've asked whoever does so to at least consider whether the conversation can continue to be constructive :) --Errant (chat!) 10:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- Good move, it was past its sell-by date. It'll be back at some point though. Someone might even write one, although I still don't think there's any value in it, yet. I believe that when the appeals process is over will probably be the logical time to fork this article. A separate "Trials of …" will make most sense when those trials are over, especially given Wikipedia's nature of lagging behind current events.
Furthermore Knox stands a reasonable chance of being successful with these appeals, in which case a separate article on her (and possibly Sollecito) will definitely be necessary. pablo 12:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)- Yep, can't disagree with that assessment (FWIW I strongly support the idea of lagging behind the events, so sounds great to me) :) Although technically speaking if found innocent we should scrub much of the mention of them from the article per our usually BLP process... I doubt that one would get through :P --Errant (chat!) 12:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- If they are found innocent the trial, conviction etc will still have happened. Which part are you suggesting for removal? Britmax (talk) 12:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- Sigh let's not go there :) It was a throwaway remark FWIW, in the interests of privacy, if someone is tried and found not-guilty we usually cut back material on them to the bare minimum. In this case, yes, it is heavily complicated by the length and publicity of the trial; so, no, we wouldn't be doing that in this case --Errant (chat!) 12:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- If they are found innocent the trial, conviction etc will still have happened. Which part are you suggesting for removal? Britmax (talk) 12:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yep, can't disagree with that assessment (FWIW I strongly support the idea of lagging behind the events, so sounds great to me) :) Although technically speaking if found innocent we should scrub much of the mention of them from the article per our usually BLP process... I doubt that one would get through :P --Errant (chat!) 12:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- Good move, it was past its sell-by date. It'll be back at some point though. Someone might even write one, although I still don't think there's any value in it, yet. I believe that when the appeals process is over will probably be the logical time to fork this article. A separate "Trials of …" will make most sense when those trials are over, especially given Wikipedia's nature of lagging behind current events.
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I'm sorry for that my brother got a hold on my IPod and I suspect it was him that wrote this thank you for bringing this to my attention --Clum112 (talk) 10:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
problem editor
Hi, thanks for reverting my user page. I'm pretty sure the user is the same as the anon who for several years was persistently vandalising an article I largely wrote, now protected (Robert Gilbert (chemist)). This it the second vandalism to my user page in a fortnight, and only the third since 2005. I have no idea who it is, and psychiatric help is clearly needed. Any chance of expunging the history? And I might have to ask for my page to be semi-protected or protected if this person keeps returning. Tony (talk) 11:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- No worries, I deleted it for you, it slipped my mind earlier. He does seems a little odd, to say the least :S If you do decide to have page protection just yell :). --Errant (chat!) 11:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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I've removed your message to Dan96phillips (talk · contribs), because I had blocked him immediately before you added it. We were dealing with him at the same time - when I went to clear personal info from his user page, I found you had just done it. On its own, his record wasn't quite enough for a block though it contained some nasty attack pages; but he had been tag-teaming with another vandal-only account, Fakester 11 (talk · contribs), and what they had done between them seemed to me enough to block both. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yes I noticed you blocked him. I was going to scrub the message but then I figured I'd just leave it in case the message about personal details got through :) no worries removing it. My finger was millimetres from the block button also. --Errant (chat!) 19:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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- Thanks Maggie :) always happy to help where needed. --Errant (chat!) 09:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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Mau Mau
Blessed child: please be so good as to keep half an eye on my Mau Mau article. I am away till Monday, but then can vigorously finish it off over the next week. It's about to come out of semi-protect, and there is a pro-colonial irritant who will show up thereafter. The Lord be with you, my son. Iloveandrea (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, you're off to Glastonbury... Iloveandrea (talk) 16:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- Heh, yes I am away for the same period. I extended the protection till next week. Any good? --Errant (chat!) 16:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
A while back you had an excellent suggestion to write a document helping people fix fair use problems. I thought it was a good idea at the time, but I only got around to doing something about it this week (actually, Ched Davis wrote most of it.) Your input is welcome. 28bytes (talk) 21:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- Looks excellent, when I wake up tomorrow I will have a proper read through. Thanks --Errant (chat!) 11:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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... for removing that item from the history. Tony (talk) 10:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
- No probs --Errant (chat!) 11:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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- Ace! that is good to see :) Just got in from the festival so will be going to crash now :) hopefully back into the mix tomorrow. --Errant (chat!) 11:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm quite confused to see your edits to the 'gyroscopic exercise tool' article. While often true, the 'forums are not a reliable source' slogan can't be applied universally. If you really do care about the article, I would suggest that you check the facts I referred to along with my intro word that you can find on the talk page. Yes, FACTS: either easily verifiable or supported with evidence, and in all cases provided with links. Some info that was added (and removed by you) is supported with photos, other links output of frequency-analysis tools, and if an article makes clear it refers to statements made by people and links sources (as opposed to passing opinions for 'truth' or 'facts' as some may practice), then I gather many will agree it's good enough in liew of more reliable information. Put another way, it's the best one can have in such situation. That being said, if you have 'better' or 'more reliable' information than the one linked by me, I suggest you add it. Otherwise, I suggest you describe your motivation for the edits in more detail. Failing to hear anything from you on this subject, I will restore the information removed by you. Repeated attempts to remove it by you or someone else shall be reported. Regards, Andy Monakov (talk) 13:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
By far not every subject described (or to be described) on Wikipedia gathers enough attention from press or 'reliable' encyclopedias printed on paper as to be described. 'Real' encyclopedias contain mistakes. Reputable newspapers are not always right. You seem to prefer the letter of the rule for reliable sources to the spirit thereof. Besides, some editors may have ulterior motives. The former is not good for a wikipedia editor, the latter is unacceptable. Andy Monakov (talk) 13:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Cited material is as good as it can be for this subject! There doesn't exist a peer-reviewed journal that publishes articles about powerballs and anything related to it. Andy Monakov (talk) 13:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid none of the content of the article in question -- along with many others describing other toys as well as people, movies, games etc. -- was published in peer-reviewed journals, yet they, and this article in particular, do exist on Wikipedia. Rules are there for the spirit, not for the letter. And certainly not to serve as a premise to remove information that some quarters would prefer to not be presented on wiki pages. Wikipedia is not a place to advertize things to the benefit of the sellers. Andy Monakov (talk) 14:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I believe the most fundamental principle of Wikipedia is to provide people with unbiased information. Do you agree? Andy Monakov (talk) 14:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Then may I suggest that you should realize that rules are there to serve the goal, and the goal is -- correct me if I'm wrong here -- information for people; the more complete und unbiased, the better. Not misinformation. And certainly not skewed in favor of related sellers as is the case with the page in question. As for RS, let me give you a simple example which will hopefully put an end to this part of conversation: sources, no matter how reliable they are as presented in relevant sections in WP guidelines, can be downright wrong. The spirit of the rule (again, correct me if I'm wrong) is to prevent wrong information from penetrating the pages and presented as true. Therefore, the overriding principle, when it comes to material which is challenged by someone on the premise of sources being not reliable enough, is truth and verifiability. In conclusion, may I ask if you consider yourself well familiar with the subject, let alone an expert? Do you have any written contributions on the subject in whatever form? Andy Monakov (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Please review the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research article and allow me to quote an excerpt: "In general, the most reliable sources are: peer-reviewed journals; books published by university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers. As a rule of thumb, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication." In this regard, a free-for-all discussion forum is the ultimate form of peer-reviewed publication. A mistake in such 'original research' as mine which was attaching the output of a frequency analyzer has probability of exactly zero to go unnoticed by others. Note that if anyone had a goal of somehow switching the frequency plots, he or she has far better chances to get away with it by arranging a publication in a 'reliable' source which would have to be reviewed by academics far less familiar with the subject than non-academic forum members! Andy Monakov (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC) |
- No, I am sorry but forums are not am ultimate form of peer review. They are explicitly noted as unreliable sources. I do not have the time to continue going over the same ground again and again - please take this to
WikiProject Wikify Discussion Invitation
WikiProject Wikify. After the retirements of our first two executive coordinators, Mono and Guoguo12, WikiProject Wikify is undergoing a period of transition. We are currently holding a discussion to create a plan for the future, find volunteers to help fill our many administrative positions, collect any feedback about what has happened in the last six months, propose some new guidelines, and see if there are any creative ideas to increase participation. We appreciate your input! |