User talk:Fish and karate/Archive 18

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ranging from uw-speedy1 to uw-speedy4.

By the way: that user is also removing the AfD tags.

Anyway, thanks for the tip on AFD. Regards, -- Iván Sánchez^(talk) 10:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I didn't go straight for the last warning template - that IP is also Dpgz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). If you check the history, Dpgz removed the speedy tags four times, then switched to anonimous, then I put the uw-speedy4 warning in 58.185.47.84's talk page.

I guess that I should have put the sockpuppeteer templates as well... -- Iván Sánchez^(talk) 10:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Just as a question regarding the blocks of DrBat and Asgardian, and not arguing that the pair didn't need some sort of sanction, but at what point does prior history come into play with block durations?

The reason I ask is that, in looking at the logs, DrBat has a string of 24hr 3RR/Edit waring blocks in late `05 and early `06 and Asgardian has a cycle of them for this type of activity from early through mid '07 with the last one being 31hrs.

Looking at these, the 24hr duration may be viewed as the same old same old, or a step back instead of disapproval of a repeated bad behavior. Or am I seeing this wrong?

Thanks - J Greb 20:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to emphasise to the pair of them not they are both equally to blame, and as both of them are convinced they are right and are unwilling to reach any kind of compromise, they will continue to be blocked for an equal (albeit increasing) amount of time every time they edit war over the same darn things, until they are willing to compromise. I didn't want to take past history into account, as otherwise the blocks may not then have been of the same length, which would have negated the intent of treating them equally.

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14:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, thanks for the kind words; they are much appreciated. Secondly, the more eyes the better. Since I too have my own personal opinions as to the matter, having someone else to ensure that policy is followed can only help. Thanks! -- Avi 15:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. Normally I don't speak like that on wiki, but I had a feeling that Yudel would respond better if he knew that I have a similar background to him, and speaking that polyglot of Yiddish, English, Aramaic, and Hebrew known as

Haredi yeshiva would be comfortable in that talk. Be that as it may, I think I can tone it down now. Thank you for the comment! -- Avi

16:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

So now Avi has evidently achieved his goal to confuse other gentile sysops from understanding the issue at hand, let me try to clear thinks up, Avi has agreed to delete that line that a particuer group is supportive of Zionism, but only after a week, i ask him please don't wait if we agree that this is unsourced material that can be viewed by some people as slanderous it should be deleted right away and never been add there without sourcing, Avi evidently dodges the point, since his POV is that it is not slanderous and negative but he does not deny the fact that by some people it is negative, so in essence it does not belong there while unsourced. All I am asking is to delete this one line which is a double header to a section and completely unexplained with any text underneath it so it is also an empty header, 'Groups which are generally supportive of the State of Israel i have no other reqwest and other desire to edit out that artice so stop acting as if i am being holden back from adding stuff unsourced, Niel i beg u don't accuse me of this like u did in saying for Avi that he was right to ask me for sources, i never ever added stuff in there just deleted unsourced material which is negative and slanderous by some people and should never have been added there, Avi blocked it without any edit war in process, and subsequently we see clearly what was his motive in bloking this article, now he became the invested of that article by not letting others delete this line, Niel if u don't want to help don't give him encouragement on his abuse of power, when u clearly say that u don't understand the issue.--יודל 16:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you delete this for me I used it for a merge attempt of mine and now i have no need for it. Oh and if you're curious the merge was successful.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 22:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. You can just tag them with {{

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14:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh thanks I don't know there was a speedy for something like that.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 16:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

As per your request on Meta, the Wikimedia Toolserver is now accessable using the tools: prefix. Many thanks,

Thunderhead 16:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Huzzah! Thank you very much.

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21:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a heads up with regard to your blocks of DrBat and Asgardian from Sept 3... As per the history and this comparison, Asgardian just blanked reverted the article to his preferred state. The last last one he placed just before the block. I might also suggest talking to User:Steve block since he had a similar problem with Asgardian in late June, early July (part of the reason for my question above...) - J Greb 00:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Also note that this extends beyond the Vision (comics) article, as shown by this revert, this one, this one and this one, all by User:Asgardian fresh off his block. Pairadox 01:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up:

Marvel vs. DC looks like a slow building edit war. Asguardian making 3 edits since Aug 31 (1 removing almost 80% of the article content and 2 reverting to that state on Sept 5 and 6) and 2 by Sperril reinserting the info and asking for a full hashing of it on the talk page. Thanos shows sings of extremely minor edits being "allowed" from Asgardian's Sep 3, 2007 version. And Odin (Marvel Comics) is back to his Aug 31 version. - J Greb

01:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Neil, could you please review this situation? Thanks. - J Greb 05:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Apologies - was away for the weekend, and missed it when I came back amongst all the other messages on my talk page. I'll take a look now.

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09:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Understandable. Thanks for taking another look. - J Greb 15:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The International Society for Professional Innovation Management. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.What on earth are you doing deleting this page? On what grounds? This page documented the background and purpose of an international not-for-profit association and so is justified for inclusion on Wikipedia! Please restore it immediately! There is no copyright violation - I know because I write the ISPIM materials!

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List_of_German_Americans. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

I would like to bother u and ask u to clean my name, i do know why he is accusing me of those thinks, and i understand his approach, but since smoke is a sign of fire, i beg u please help me correcting my record[2]. Thanks--יודל 16:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

An article that you have commented on in a speedy deletion process, Mark Warner (Canadian politician), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Warner (Canadian politician). Thank you. --Canam1 11:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Neil, just a quick note to say how disappointed I was to see Vkontakte.ru disappear. I wasn't watching and missed the AfD. I don't spend enough time being a beaurocrat on Wikipedia to remember the precise rules, but I thought in an AfD there must be a consensus to delete if it is to be deleted????

Anyway, WP processes aside, when I first created this article it was so people interested in social networking websites and notable peers to Facebook would have a starting point to read about it in English. (I have no connection to any vaguely related company -- and am Aussie and don't speak Russian). Obviously as the largest contemporary of facebook and 4th most popular Russian site it is notable. I think the deletion of the article or the questioning of its notability is a direct result of the fact that monolingual English speakers don't know about it!

Are you able to help get this article back? Thanx Donama 15:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Donama. You'll have to request this at

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15:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Neil.

I have been trying to apply wiki policy evenly and fairly to the article, and am now being subject to what I perceive are personal attacks from

Hey Avi. Yidisheryid's comments aren't personal attacks. They are not particularly

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18:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I did not see that apology, but I do dislike accusations of willful misabuse when I am trying my best to balance opposite POV's. I am always open to constructive criticism, and if you think I have misused sysop privs, please let me know. Thank you. -- Avi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avraham (talk • contribs) 18:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

No, definitely no abuse of privileges, sysop or otherwise.

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19:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Neil,

I would like to have the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_guitar locked for users who are not signed in, as at least 90% of the activity on that page is vandalism by anonymous users. How do I proceede with that?

Best regards

Sorenw 20:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer.

I'm doing fine except I'm not very active on wikipedia

Sorenw 10:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Neil. I saw your warning at User talk:Asgardian about his continual edit-warring at Vision (Marvel Comics). Two editors, independently, with explanations in edit summaries, are being forced to constantly monitor and revert one of Asgardian's non-consensus edits, and at least one other editor has to keep reverting a second.

We've tried talking to him on that article's page, to no avail. If you know anything about Asgardian's history, you know he's tendentious and relentless. I beseech your help. Thank you for anything you might do or suggest. --Tenebrae 06:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The

Asgardian 00:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

User:Leuko, acting sincerely and within policy I'm sure, has just listed about 45 "List of XXXX Americans" articles, all listed now at the delete/sort page for ethnic groups. I think this is problematic, so I put up a comment at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents see "Mass deletion nominations for List of [Ethnic Group X] Americans". Maybe they'll tell me it's nothing to worry about or maybe it will all blow over or be decided before you get this message, but please take a look. Your input would probably be useful. Thanks. Noroton 00:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I would let you know that Phil Welch unilaterally deleted a well referenced section on Matrixism from "The Matrix (series)" article. A lot of people worked very hard on that section/article. TR166ER 10:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been restored.

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10:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Phil has reverted it again. TR166ER 10:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I noticed you put your name down as interested in a Birmingham meetup. Just letting you know, the date is now set as Saturday 20th October. We really need input on where, and what time we will meet, so comments would be much appreciated on the page. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you please stop reverting the part about

I'm a bit rusty on the policy concerning bots, so here's a little quiz... Is there a page where users will discuss what happened during the trial period of a bot before approving it for good? I'd like to make sure this one doesn't get through (not in its speedy deletion tagging mode, anyway). Also, was it Osama's responsibility to shut the bot off after 50 edits? And who is to blame for the fact that it didn't "do what it said on the tin" (tagging for speedy deletion was not mentioned)? I think the owner's been a little bit cheeky with this bot, but then again he doesn't seem to understand much english, so maybe it's a communication error. Ta. yandman 20:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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22:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello. My user name is ILikePikachu.

Hi, Neil. If you have a second, we could really use your help. If you go to Talk:Hulk (comics)#Destruction debate, you'll see several editors who together have tried to reason with a single overzealous fan. He's exhibiting the kind of single-minded POV that I'm sure you've seen with some editors, and completely disregarding at least four other editors' consensus. I'm afraid things might be getting heated, on my part as much as anyone's, and I'm hoping a calm head will help. Thank you for stopping by if you can. --Tenebrae 17:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

As best I can tell Tenebrae, this dispute is over a few minor edits from David A. He seems willing to compromise - I note his last edit did not have the parts you were particularly against. Are you equally willing? Given I don't know much about any Marvel comics other than the awesome

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18:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Okey-doke. The edits are certainly minor in number of words; it's just that he keeps making the same POV/NOR edits that at least four editors disagree with. In any case, I do very much appreciate your taking the time to have a look and give informal input.

I liked Great Lakes Avengers myself -- funny stuff. You'd probably like Keith Giffen's late '80s/early '90s Justice Leagues. Cheers! --Tenebrae 18:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Neil, Please Don't block bot who doesn't work at the time of blocking, and please disable AutoBlock when you block any another bot. Thanks.--OsamaK 19:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi OsamaK. You will find your bot gets blocked less if, when it is approved for 50 edits, you run it for 50 edits, and not a few thousand.

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07:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, yeah I must admit that was the intended result, I didn't want to only give him 24 hours (or he could just sit and wait). That way he had to make an unblock request. I intended to keep a closer eye on him but I got a crazy day at work. Thanks for handling it! -- lucasbfr ^talk 12:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Neil. I was unblocked this morning in my area by my blocker. I hope to not make the same mistake with administrators next time. Will talk some other time. Bye for now.--Stco23 23:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Neil. Just in case, be aware of these users; might be sockpuppets too: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Skatewalk. — EliasAlucard|Talk 01:00 20 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

This is a content dispute, and Asgardian making one edit you don't agree with is not going to get me to block him for you. I note it's not the same edits he made back on the 5th September. I have suggested to him, however, that he may have better joy editing a section at a time or somesuch, as his edits are fairly wide-ranging. Normally, I applaud that kind of boldness, but as it is clear you and a few other editors will just revert all his edits, rather than just specific parts (becaus it would take more effort than clicking undo?), I've suggested he edit a piece at a time. Have you considered your reaction to his efforts is not helping him improve as an editor? We could all be nicer (myself included).

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20:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It is exactly the same edit he made on the 5th of September. He has edited the page twice today and I think you were looking at the wrong one. The only difference was he also included a line about the Marvel Trading Card Game which I consider to be good information and kept in my latest version. Here's the difference between Sept. 5 and today. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marvel_vs._DC&diff=159075085&oldid=155820466 . Either way, I'll try to re-engage him on the article talk page. If he wants to explain his problems with the old version and go through it piece by piece with me, I'm all for it. Thanks for looking into it for me! Sperril 00:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Noted. It was also not a blind revert. I've retained the card section, and have also pointed out that the version I've worked on has the appropriate titles and caption for the picture. I'll try and expand the story, but as I've indicated in Talk, a close look reveals it is a very subjective and "fan" orientated retelling of the story.

Asgardian 11:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoa. Hold on. I've left a comment here and on the Talk page and in both cases have stated I will pad out the story. The other version drops all the titles, captions etc. I am trying for the middle ground, but the version I've been pushing for has all the necessary trimmings, not the other one. Heck, the picure on the other version isn't even sourced. I've entered the discussion and offered a rationale, and promised to expand the story, which I will. Once again, it's the POV. A close read shows it nearly every sentence. Not being obstinate here. Really!

Asgardian 11:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

PS - thanks for the help on Hate Monger.

Asgardian 11:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Skatewalk has made his case on his discussion page and has asked you to reconsider. Please look at it. By the wat I don't know anything about Scotland b/ I know something about the Scottish Rite which came from France, go figure.Godspeed John Glenn! Will 18:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser confirmed he was the same person. I would imagine he didn't want to lose the Skatewalk sock account because it had a lot of edits on it.

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21:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I know you've basically recused yourself from further Admin action regarding Asgardian, but I would like you suggestion on who/where to refer an issue to.

Specifically in this case is Whizzer. The article went through an RfC which Jc37 over saw. After the results of that were put in place, Asgardian repeatedly edited the article to his own tastes, in spite of the RfC result. The last such edit was on June 20.

He just did a blanket revert to that version, again over writing the RfC results. A synopsis can be found at Talk:Whizzer#Today's edit.

Thanks, - J Greb 18:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, just a quick query, the Template:Rescue has now got a yellow border, I know this may sounds picky, but I chose the serious tag because what is more serious that an article that contains encyclopedic topics being deleted? Style does not really handle it as we (the Article Rescue Squadron) are not editing the layout of the document, but adding citations and sources to prevent it from being deleted mistakenly. I am refraining from editing the Template due to other issues, but could you please reconsider your edit? Fosnez 10:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, you're right. It's not style, it's a content issue template, so it should be the same as {{

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10:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou, its so nice to have a civil conversation for a change. Fosnez 10:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

A little unrelated, but I noticed

Yes I know, I was a little cranky then (but trying my absolute best to remain civil), I was unsure as to the "legality" of responding to your own incident, but thanks for clearing it up for me (Hopfully it won't happen again any time soon) Fosnez 11:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Why did you remove this from RFCN and claim no attempt was made to talk to him? See his talk page, I did put a notice there, User_talk:PAPERTRIGGER. If anything, this should be archived, not removed.Rlevse 11:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Because you gave him just a few hours.

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13:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Yea, but you totally removed the talk on RFCN, you should have boxed it for closing. So I closed it.Rlevse 13:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussions only tend to be closed if the discussion has ended. If it should not have been started in the first place, just removing it is usually okay. But no big deal.

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13:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I will look into it. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 14:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't object the move, as nom-- but please find someone to close the RM discussion please? It's weird that the RM discussion is still open even the article is moved. --Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 06:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem, done.

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08:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Neil. I understand your frustration but still, retaliation like this is unlikely to be helpful. Let the bureaucrats sort it out. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 11:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

You are, as always, damnably right.

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12:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I suppose you both regard me as one of the prime offenders. I have tried not to respond to opposers (or neutrals) on this RfA simply for the sake of responding, but only when there is a new piece of information to be offered, or a genuine follow-up question to be asked. I am sorry if the input from me and R's other supporters comes off like sniping, as it is assuredly not meant that way; but I suppose I am not completely objective as I watch my nomination fail for the third time now, with some of the opposition (not from the two of you, I hasten to add) striking me as being on thinly reasoned grounds. Newyorkbrad 12:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

You're not one of the prime offenders, Brad ... this badgering of "opposers" when we expect little or no explanation at all from "supporters" is getting worse. At least your requests for clarification are productive and polite.

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12:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to avoid mentioning it at the time, but was it really necessary to say this? Acalamari 20:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Why?

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23:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It is inappropriate to refer to someone else's oppose as "trolling", no matter how much you disagree with them. Thanks. Acalamari 23:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Neil. Could you please talk some sense into Tazmaniacs on the Talk:Nazism page about that Hitler-Sparta parallel he keeps removing despite it being sourced? Thanks. — EliasAlucard|Talk 22:28 26 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

Satelliteamd is not a pure vandalism account. The account is associated with Howie Nave and was attempting to clean up that article. So, there may be conflict of interest, but not simple vandalism. I have been working on the article and am engaged in email correspondence with the subject's attorney. Fred Bauder 13:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem.

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08:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)