User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 21

And while we're on the topic of

@IJBall: Got this as a reference for Emmy awards. IMDb is usually correct with awards so she likely actually does have 4 noms and 1 win. I think this article can be improved and meet notability guidelines. Just need to find the sources and article needs work. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:56, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, I would I like for you to assess this edit, especially in light of the conversation we had on the topic on the Talk page for the article. The second "source" was explicitly ruled out for this purpose (and so should be removed). So it comes down to what you think about the first source and its use for this. TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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WP:ABOUTSELF. The second refers to a genetic test but also has the tag that it was something she already knew. Not sufficient in its own right but does support the first source. The first source is sufficient, though, for our purposes. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 01:08, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

More eyes needed here. It's the usual – "releasing an album" doesn't make you a professional "musician", because everyone and their dog can "release an album" these days. Also, started as a "child actor" so that shouldn't be removed from the lede. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:01, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I may need more eyes here – we clearly have a new editor that doesn't understand how

Just because information isn’t sourced dosen’t mean you can’t delete it, bub! Evelynkwapong539 (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

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WP:ONUS. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 16:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Will Looney Tunes Cartoons air on television this very September? Evelynkwapong539 (talk) 20:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Evelynkwapong539: I have no information about that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, do you think this enough evidence that the sequel will be titled Zombies 2?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yes, but this is probably sufficient. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Ping @Amaury: here, because these may be enough to add some info on the sequel to the Zombies (2018 film)#Production section... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: The very first source, as seen in my sandbox here, had Zombies 2, so I don't think there was ever any issue. If the title later ends up changing, we can update it accordingly. Amaury • 17:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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@IJBall: how about you address me since I’m the said editor who apparently “doesn’t understand”. Rusted AutoParts 20:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

We still need to keep an eye on this IP, who keeps removing Instant Mom from Nickelodeon and visa versa. Geraldo has already come across them, and now both Amaury and I have as well. IIRC, somebody (possibly this same editor) has been at this a while, possibly for a year (or more?...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:37, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

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Nick at Night being listed instead of Nickelodeon with main target Instant Mom and where it shows up. I note List of Instant Mom episodes lists Nick at Night as the outlet so this is inconsistent in the article as to whether or not the program block or the actual network should be listed. The article at Nick at Night indicated it is considered its own network for rating purposes and just shared channel space with Nickelodeon so this is not clear cut. This looks like an edit dispute at the base of it all with an IP who won't communicate. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 17:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with anything you are saying, but it needs to be discussed at the Instant Mom talk page, where a consensus of editors can be established. (For one thing, it needs to be checked that the show never aired on "Nickelodeon" proper, because it may have premiered on Nick before moving to Nick at Nite – I dunno...) It should not just be removed/changed without explanation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: He shouldn't be removing apparently valid content without giving a reason. The warning messages about that inform him about that and if he persists can be blocked for it. He needs a history of warnings before being blocked but as he is coming off a 3 month block is on thin ice now and could be reported now to AIV as immediate resumption after block expired. The issue of Instant Mom network should be discussed on that talk page but consensus so far seems to be keep it as a Nickelodeon show in the main article and a Nick at Night show in the episode list. It is not a show I am familiar with or interested in so can't say what one is correct, but IMDb says Nickelodeon Network is the distributor. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:23, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello! I believe there is a mistake, I have not edited such a page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.237.250 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

You have a shared IP address and the person using it before you did edit that page. See Special:Contributions/64.237.237.250 Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, can you assess this edit please? I do not understand why this info is being removed – it appears valid to me... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Infobox instructions say for distributor: "The names of the original distribution company or companies". IMDb, who usually gets this right, shows American Broadcasting Company as the original distribution company based on the dates shown in the list of distributors. That is the broadcast distribution on the original network so doesn't really need to be repeated in the distribution attribute. Nothing in the infobox instructions talks about home media as being special, it is covered in the home media release section of the article. I agree with the removal. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

In this case, I would think "distributor" should cover whoever originally syndicated the show into rerun syndication. This series definitely was rerun syndicated (for years!), so IMO that info should be in the infobox. (The home media distributor, not so much...) So, do we have any idea who handled the rerun distribution of this show?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:39, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: IMDb is likely accurate and correct but again it is IMDb so not a RS, just a sanity check. I don't see a syndicator possibility other than the original production companies or ABC. Subsequent releases may have been direct negotiation with the rights holders. I think the only time the initial distributor is a syndicator is if the show was released in syndication from the start. I see nothing in the the infobox instructions that would support rerun syndication being listed in the infobox unless that was also the company that handled the original distribution. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:52, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

So, are you saying we should list ABC for that? Or we shouldn't?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'd leave it out. We have no sourced information on how subsequent releases were handled or who owned what rights. I suspect ABC bought the syndication rights as well as the original broadcast rights from the production companies but that is my conjecture. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:17, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Another one...

These edits – yea, or nay?... I've never seen the show, but I'm guessing

@IJBall: That IPv6/64 again. Those categories are not what the series is about. NOTDEFINING. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Good afternoon Monsieur Perez. I had done research on her a while ago and you know what I spotted? IMDb, Kat Versus the Kid Wiki, English Voice Over Wikia... They equal zero coverage of reliable sourcing.

In addition, someone should keep a wicked eye on this in case of disruptive editing occurs. If that happens, nominate for an AFD and redirect it to Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures or the aforementioned show. The former is a better option since it also aired on XD.

As for Kathleen who she costarred with on the latter, her page will not go away anytime soon. IJBall must be pinged.

Peace,

47.16.146.238 (talk) 17:04, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Just posting here that we need to be careful with this suite of articles – a long time ago, somebody (I didn't check who...) had apparently slipped in the word "fantasy" as a genre for 1, 2, and the "franchise" article, despite none of the sources (at least, none of the ones I checked, and I checked all of the "announcement" sources, incl. the Disney press releases...) using that term/genre, and at least at the 1 article, it remained in the lede and infobox for years. We need to make sure that somebody doesn't try to slip unsourced genres like this back in there... Pinging Amaury about this as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

How do you edit it Short Skull Baby (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

And speaking of articles like

@IJBall: All should be at AfD, I see no possible redirect that makes sense. You have done a due diligence search for sources needed to show notability and found none. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

OK, I'll see if I can work up the courage to take them to AfD soon. I'll likely start with Massey's article, as the most obvious "fail" of the lot... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I added her parents because her father appeared in the prologue and is also the reason Cinderella has a stepmother and cinderella mentioned her mother EBCHA (talk) 00:27, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@EBCHA: They weren't credited characters in the the film and it is obvious that people have fathers and mothers. Description in article says her parents were dead. Father was at least shown in prolog, mother was never seen. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

The "Haley Tju vandal" is back at this IP... This is becoming a

@IJBall: He uses a lot of Irish IPs and is highly dynamic. MO is adding fake credits, Tju is his current favorite, he'll move on to someone else if that is blocked. I can't see how an edit filter will help here. It's bit like playing whack-a-mole. Best is just be aware and revert his latest string of edits on any given IP before he moves on to some other one. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, what is your opinion on an edit like this? TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:53, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: They look reasonable to have in article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Dora the Explorer § Series end date

 – more appropriate for this Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

So, I've stumbled upon this website(which is great for information regarding DVD&VHS releases btw) but for some reason, the references aren't showing up for me when I use them. For example, I've recently created the Home Video section on the Series 7: The Contenders article with the source but it redirects me to the main page of the website and not the source in question. Do you happen to know why is that? Timur9008 (talk) 14:09, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@Timur9008: The link was truncated. The article was listed in the main page, needed to right click on the listed link for the article and copy link to get the actual article archive link. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah, that explains it. Thanks! :) Timur9008 (talk) 16:14, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox film#‎RfC: Is it relevant to list all composers for the film's music score and songs?. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:33, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Is it

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better source}}. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 17:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

We've also got this Archived 2020-11-07 at the Wayback Machine now, which proves there was an airing last night. See #90. Although, for some reason, The Futon Critic has nothing on this. However, Zap2it does, and it is a reliable source; the only problem is its dates still being a day ahead. Amaury • 21:07, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

I've found more sources: Two for the series order and one for the series premiere announcement. These look better: [1], [2], and [3]. Amaury • 21:18, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Article has been created: Pup Academy. And pinging IJBall and MPFitz1968 as well, as more eyes are always helpful. Amaury • 04:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Disney Channel original series‎#Pup Academy. Inviting IJBall and MPFitz1968 as well. I'm intentionally holding off on commenting for now, as I don't want to deal with this user. Last time I did it got me blocked, unfairly without warning. So I'll comment if I have to, but it's better if others comment first. They are also being disruptive at Pup Academy. That's all I'll say, Amaury • 14:53, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Pup Academy § Show nationality

 – Further discussion about show's nationality better on show's talk page Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:50, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

With an official series pickup order, I've moved this to mainspace now. As such, I've also moved the Chinese television series:

@MPFitz1968: Now in mainspace. The only thing I still don't know is if "the" should be capitalized or not. Usually, yes, prepositions like "the" aren't capitalized unless they're at the beginning or end of a title or they're part of the title itself. That's the confusion here. Is the name of the group "Unsittables," in which case it would be a lowercase "the," or is the name of the group "The Unsittables," in which case it would be an uppercase "The." Amaury • 21:34, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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MOS:THEMUSIC and interminable arguments about whether the is capitalized for The Beatles which explains the variation in style over other reliable sources. Lower case the is reasonable in this case. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 21:51, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Geraldo. I'm new to Wikipedia, so please be patient if I make any faux pas. Ha, ha. :) I was looking up Olivia Hussey's biography on Wikipedia. The world sees her as an English actress. I had read her biography "Girl on a Balcony", in which she states that her mother, Alma was born and raised in Argentina, and was actually of Scottich desscent. The Hussey family had been in the country for three generations, and as Olvia stated, "had every right to call Argentina their home." Yes, she went to live in England at the age of 7, but her roots shoulnd't be igorned. Olivia has stated that her mother tongue is Spanish. It's just a thought. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hynde17 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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WP:BLPLEAD. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 21:27, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

You always seem to think in you retarded mind that 20th Century Fox are still in the business of distribution, in which thay are NOT anymore, I don't fucking care what the stupid reference says, Either you change the international distributor to Walt Disney Studios Motion Picture NOW or risk getting reported to Wikipedia staff. GOT IT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.189.233.224 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

See

WP:V. You may be more effective in getting what you want if you provided references supporting it. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 16:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I would have reverted the same edit too but TABM2 is the top rated video game adaptation on Rotten Tomatoes, and the Critical response section does already have references that support that claim, so technically the lead doesn't need to repeat those references.

I still would reverted that edit because for

The end result would have been the same but I wanted to let you know, as others might make similar edits. -- 109.79.173.32 (talk) 21:49, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Geraldo Perez, new editor Mr. Dinosaur watches dinosaur films popped up in my watchlist and something does not "smell right". I think they may be sock of Mildred huxtetter but thought you may be able tell since you have filed previous SPI reports. The reason they seemed suspicious is because they have some experience based on this edit [4] (although it could be completely innocent, edited as an IP, etc.). The connection to Mildred huxtetter is because they made this edit [5] which is the same edit [6] made by Cooking Kitchen, who was blocked as one of Mildred's socks. Any thoughts? Thanks! S0091 (talk) 21:00, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@S0091: Likely along with Valerie Kathryn Harper (talk · contribs) and 78.19.117.128 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) editing in concert doing same stuff on articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:22, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for this reply. What a mess! Is it worth filing an SPI report at this time? S0091 (talk) 21:30, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@S0091: I started one. Add to it as you see fit. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

You covered the one little kernel of evidence I had perfectly. :) Sorry, did not mean to create extra work for you. S0091 (talk) 21:51, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Having an issue with someone who insists on overlinking common terms and ignoring

They are the ones clearly edit warring as they made the bold edit, not you. An all-in-one link like [[Toronto, Ontario, Canada]] would also be acceptable. The state or each level by itself, however, is overlinking, which is what the IP is doing. Amaury • 23:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't have to link US, Canada and Egypt as they are major geographical locations and countries. Subnational divisions are less well-known. Major global cities shouldn't need to be linked either but that is more contentious. Some people just like to link everything even if nobody will ever click the link. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

This article probably need a closer watching – somebody tried to inappropriately and incorrectly split-out both the episode list and the character list last month, and nobody caught the split-out on the episode list (the characters split-out was successfully reversed). In general, the editing at this article looks problematic, so it likely bears closer watching... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• Apple & Onion is another article which seemed to have massive problematic editing going on right now. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Is this defining? Obviously, the series' main cast members/characters are Latin, but it's not a Latin television series, it's an American television series. Amaury • 19:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Per

WP:CATVER, I'd say no because it isn't mentioned as such in the article. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 19:54, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Barnstar!!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts for countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 16:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:30, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I just noticed Monday night that a randomized IPV6 number had inserted Didi Pickles from Rugrats as one of the credits for the Canuck bred and raised voice artiste originating from Toronto. Obviously bogus and untrue because everyone already knows that Melanie Chartoff voiced her.

If you can sometime would you mind warning them about putting hoaxes such as this like what FilmAndTVFan28 said to a 68 IP about inserting Dragon Tales being owned by Disney. Please notify your partners in crime about this ASAP.

Bye,

47.16.146.238 (talk) 20:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't trust the 'Recurring' list here – aside from being just plum too long (to be believable...), I suspect it of being filled with patently fraudulent content. Suggestions?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:30, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Unless it's crystal clear, like Big City Greens, character lists for animation series articles should only include the main characters. Amaury • 00:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall and Amaury: Limiting the list to just the principal cast would be best and easiest. IMDb is likely correct for the cast list and anything that agrees with IMDb is likely correct absent verification by watching episode credits. IMDb does have a ep count per actor can verify with that and pick a cutoff number of episodes for recurring, 6 of 38 seems reasonable if choose to list recurring. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:41, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

I've trimmed to only those characters that have appeared in 6 or more episodes (as per IMDb), as suggested. This was made more difficult because this is a 'Characters' list and not a 'Cast' list, and several actors voice more than one character... But the current list was including people that had just one episode appearance as per IMDb, and several more that were in just 2 or 3, which is not acceptable. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:04, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Are the

@IJBall: She directly states she is a Jew in that message. She doesn't mention Jewish descent at all. That is implied but she could be a convert too. Statement in article needs to match what she actually states. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll let you do the honors, then. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

So this keeps being disruptively added to the article – Is it relevant enough to include, or should it just be removed? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Trivial and trite, of course she does. It is like saying someone is Christian and celebrates Easter. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:56, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

For categories like Category:2010s American children's comedy television series and Category:2010s American comedy television series on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel series, should we list both or only the first one? I'm asking because the first one seems to be virtually the same thing, just more specific. Add: Then we also have Category:2010s American children's television series, which then raises the matter of if we should have that and the second one separately or just the first one by itself, which encompasses both, for the aforementioned reason. Amaury • 05:01, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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WP:SUBCAT "an article should be categorised as low down in the category hierarchy as possible" so parent categories are redundant when a child category exists. Category:2010s American children's comedy television series is the one to list. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 05:11, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

So what I have at The Casagrandes for categories, which I just did a major cleanup on, should be good. Also, while I'm here, should Template:The Loud House and Category:The Loud House even exist? Ping IJBall and MPFitz1968 as well on this. There isn't that much content on either of them. I did remove some links, as just like with Girl Meets World, we should not be listing that template and category in the episode and character list articles, only in the parent article. And even now, it's possible that template and category shouldn't be listed on some of the remaining links there. From what I recall, templates and categories require a minimum of five legitimate locations (links); otherwise, they are essentially useless and should be deleted. And I of course say legitimate for the aforementioned reason that we shouldn't be listing templates like Template:Boy Meets World on List of Girl Meets World episodes. That template should only be listed on Girl Meets World. So List of Girl Meets World episodes, in this case, would not count toward that. Amaury • 05:25, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts for countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 15:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, aren't edits like this frowned up?... What's the specific guideline? TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:51, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Info is at Help:Pictures#Thumbnail sizes which states "In general, do not define the size of an image unless there is a good reason to do so". I would expect that "good reason" to be articulated when a forced size is set. Generally thumbnail size is a user preference so don't want to override that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, that IPv6 has been persistently disruptive at these articles for a while. I checked, and the disruptive edits at Makenzie Vega‎ from the same IPv6 2600:1700:5290.* go back at least 4 months. Is there any recourse here? Is article semiprotection worth trying? Or a range block?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: The IPv6 range is owned by WP:Sockpuppet investigations/M_Rob1119. This is long term and his MO is mostly unsourced name changes mixed in with some good edits. His intensity has dropped significantly to the point of just being a minor annoyance. Range blocks have been applied in the past to other ranges used but then he just moves to some other range, he's been on this one for a while now. Best recourse if hitting articles is protection of the article. I just generally watch the range and revert the bad edits I find. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:09, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Issue is, infrequency of disruption is usually grounds for declining page protection – I'm betting this is not persistent enough to get protection (or, if it's granted, it won't be for a long-enough period at the article to do any good...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I've gotten protections on some articles when he does a bunch of edits in a short time but he generally he just comes back to it a few months later. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Just to note one editor is insisting on adding unsourced future casting info. Need to watch this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:02, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I've done this before but never had someone like you erasing what I'm doing. — Preceding

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WP:RS/IMDb. There are very few places we can use IMDb as a reference on Wikipedia. Your ability to add to the cast list there illustrates the point of why we can't use it as a source. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 21:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Just Roll with It#"You Decide LIVE!". MPFitz1968 and IJBall as well. Amaury • 06:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

The Futon Critic is of course no help here since its production codes for Disney Channel series are still screwed up. Amaury • 16:47, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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I'm going to defer to Geraldo here. A lot of the so-called "sources" in this article are crap. But I didn't realize that Robinson had previously been in

WP:NACTOR for most people (even if my benchmark is usually higher)... --IJBall (contribs • talk

) 15:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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WP:NACTOR. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 16:00, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

181.177.3.61

I'd say it's long past time to get this IP blocked for

WP:DE, esp. now that their disruption is spreading beyond the Shake It Up suite of articles. FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk

) 14:59, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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Shake It Up (season 1) [7]. No admin action was taken on the report (my filing: [8]; result, went stale: [9]), so I guess the next stop is ANI or RPP.

Geraldo, I was noticing in that article that under the main cast section, Bella Thorne is listed ahead of Zendaya. This is also the case in one other place (in the lede), where Thorne is listed first ... but everywhere else, Zendaya is before Thorne. From the edits of the IP, I'm thinking they were going for consistency, but still, without a sufficient explanation, their edit is considered disruptive. I do have at least the first few episodes from the show (season 1) on Amazon and will recheck to see who should be listed first. I do recall them being credited in the same frame (like what we saw for Landry Bender and Lauren Taylor for Best Friends Whenever); could you please remind me again who should be listed first? Thanks. MPFitz1968 (talk

) 16:24, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Just checked credits, from the very first episode ... Zendaya is listed to the right of, and slightly above, Bella Thorne in the frame where they are both credited. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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WP:OR determinations of importance. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 16:58, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Also see note in infobox that was placed there to reflect the discussion. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

There's two issues here: 1) actor crediting, and 2) how the characters are referred to collectively on the show. It's been years now, but IIRC Bella Thorne is basically credited first (and is definitely "first" if you go alphabetically). Thus, I would say when referring to both actresses, it should be "...Bella Thorne and Zendaya". Separately, however, there's how the characters were referred to on the show. On that score, IIRC, the characters were (nearly?) always referred to as "Rocky and CeCe" on the show, not as "CeCe and Rocky". Thus, when referring to just the characters, I'd be tempted to go with "Rocky and CeCe". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:32, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree. If the pair is commonly referred to as "Rocky and CeCe" in show dialog it makes sense to keep that in descriptions as that is effectively the common name of the pair itself. If articles are changed to reflect that reasoning, it should be explained in the edit summary, otherwise I assume arbitrary favoritism as the reason for the change. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Notifications

(talk page watcher) Pointless discussion. Amaury • 07:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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I want to delete my notifications, how do I do that?

Also, I was not spamming. And I wasn't trying to violate copyright either. Please unblock my account from posting if it is.

I would also like the difference between revisions and the revision notifications at the bottom removed please. I also said that I want the alerts in the bell to be removed to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kardallastx (talk • contribs) 03:08, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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WP:SPAM. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 03:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

I want all of the alerts in my notifications removed please, and anywhere else they show. Also, please delete this conversation when this is all resolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kardallastx (talk • contribs) 07:02, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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Pointless

WP:NOTBROKEN edits from this IPv6. I've caught the ones at the articles I watch, but there's a lot more that I didn't get... Just so you know. --IJBall (contribs • talk

) 23:27, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Mildred huxtetter

With plenty of confirmed socks already there, I should think it is right for this user to have the ban tag on the user page. Iggy (Swan) (What I've been doing to maintain Wikipedia) 18:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@

WP:3STRIKES. Usually the banned tag is placed as part of the SPI process. Sometimes admins get snippy if non-admins mess with the sock tags but probably won't mind in this case. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 18:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

The Casagrandes

@IJBall: I may require assistance. Please see Talk:The Casagrandes#Lack of improvement and article history. Highly uncivil and refuses to follow proper procedures. "Main characters" is superfluous for just a single heading. The proper heading is "Characters" and then once we get recurring, etc., we add "Main" and "Recurring" subsections. Are we going to start having "Main cast" or "Main cast and characters"? I don't think so. Amaury • 05:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

America's Most Musical Family‎

More watchers appreciated. Ping

Draft:Disney Fam Jam, but that won't be premiering any time soon. Amaury

• 17:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

65.190.212.37

Who is this?... This has been a very persistent, and what I assume to be long-term, "vandal". The edits are pretty much always the same: messing with production and distribution companies, and adding unsourced (and I suspect generally wrong) 'picture formats'. Is this a former editor who was blocked, and now continues as an IP? Or what? (And can anything be done about this?!)... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:31, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Looks familiar but I can't recall where I saw it. A lot of what he is adding is false, though, basically Digital TV formats (480i) on TV shows that were released in analog (NTSC) TV before digital TV existed. False presumption they mean the same thing – they don't. Those should be reverted and IP warned for adding unsourced info. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Now editing at 66.207.247.72. I'm going to be honest – I'm not going to revert all of the edits from this IP editor, just the ones at articles I watchlist. The problem is that this is exactly the kind of subtle vandalism that undermines the entire project, but is incredibly difficult to combat, and probably nothing can be done about it... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:25, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Just off 1 month block for this, reported as resumption after block expired. Blocked for additional 3 months now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:19, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, well that's good – means if they start editing at 65.190.212.37 again, we can probably report to AIV for block-evasion. So that's progress! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:21, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

And now at 66.207.240.34. Is this "range-blockable"?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:48, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Range is Special:Contributions/66.207.240.0/21 and so far looks like only those two IPs have been used in the last year. If the range were blocked there looks to be no collateral damage. If he pops up in another IP in the range, then a range block would be the next step. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Now at 65.190.209.240. Still same MO – adding unsourced (and likely wrong) picture format to TV series articles. This is becoming a persistent nuisance. I wonder if an edit filter is possible... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:39, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Or a range block. @Ad Orientem: Thoughts? Amaury • 18:41, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I will have a look, but my gut says this is too large for a rangeblock. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:44, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: Range looks to be Special:Contributions/65.190.208.0/21 (65.190.208.1-65.190.215.254) with no collateral damage if blocked. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Ok, I blocked 65.190.208.0/21 and 66.207.240.0/21 x 6 months. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:03, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I would encourage an audit of the edits within those two ranges as I suspect a great deal of as yet unreverted vandalism. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:04, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Raven's Home#Awards and Nominations

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Raven's Home#Awards and Nominations. Ping IJBall and MPFitz1968 as well. Amaury • 20:08, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Question with regard to Raven's Home and Andi Mack as well. Aren't the favorite TV actor/actress the popularity awards you were talking about that we shouldn't list? Amaury • 16:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

General popularity awards without a tie to a project should not be listed in any project article. If the award is for the person's performance in a role there is a much stronger link to the project. It seems common usage in other articles is to list them. Basically if the award itself mentions both the person and a specific role it is tied to both. I personally think popularity awards voted on by random people who care to vote are crap and don't indicate any sort of skill or artistic merit for a performance, just that people like the actor, but evolved consensus over many articles seems to want to include the major ones like the Kid Choice stuff. Teen magazine polls of who's your favorite and their "awards" are the ones most in need of pruning from any article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:15, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I may be missing one or two, but I found our past discussions on the matter, which I will link to on the Raven's Home talk page. Talk:Girl Meets World/Archive 2#Awards and nominations section - actor awards being moved to their individual pages, what about writers, directors, etc.?, Talk:Girl Meets World/Archive 2#Revisiting awards/nominations that belong in that section, and Talk:K.C. Undercover#Awards and nominations section. Amaury • 16:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Salma Hayek

Why did you delete the entry about Wetten, dass... and Dirndl? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OliverTwist78 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@OliverTwist78: One mention on a non-notable, non verified YouTube outlet. This is trivia and the expectation that some Mexican actress had anything to do with Germans choosing to wear German traditional clothing is laughable on the face of it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I guess you didn't live in Germany when this episode was aired and you don't speak German at all. You are so arrogant and conceited! — Preceding unsigned comment added by OliverTwist78 (talk • contribs) 16:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Just Roll with It – "You Decide LIVE!"

The credits for this episode are all at the end, and the first set casting credits are as follows:

Starring:

• Tobie Windham
• Suzi Barrett
• Ramon Reed
• Kaylin Hayman
• JC Currais

JC Currais is bold because he is usually listed as a guest star—he portrays The Gator. Per what the credits say, though, I think we just have to go with what they say and not second guess producers' choices, as I just did. However, he was probably just listed as such for the special and so we should still leave him under the recurring section. Amaury • 04:26, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Let's wait to see if he's ever main credited again. If he's not, I'd suggest leaving him under 'Recurring', but adding a 'note' to indicate that he was "starring" credited for the special. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

20th Century Fox

Hi Geraldo, You do know 20th Century Fox are NOT distributors anymore, right? Also, I have you aware that Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures now distributes their titles like X-Men: Dark Phoenix for example, I am aware that the Disney in credit notice has not appeared on 20th Century Fox titles yet, I have you know that the last ever film that 20th Century Fox ever distributed was Alita: Battle Angel, Oh and also, Following the credits for info is NOT always a reliable source I'm afraid, So yeah, Disney now handles distribution of 20th Century Fox titles (That also goes for Fox Searchlight Titles as well). I hope you politely take this information into account

Yours sincerely Pete Marsh (86.173.19.230) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.19.230 (talk) 15:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I am well aware of what is going on as I have read Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#RfC on distributor of post-merger Fox films where this was widely discussed and the decision made to go with what the credits say. I suggest you follow the RFC decision. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:43, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

So, you want us to do

WP:OR instead of what sourcing (credits) say?!... That's not how this place operates. --IJBall (contribs • talk

) 16:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Billy Unger

What am I missing?! – I don't see anything in that Instagram post where he says he has two children. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I had to use Google Chrome and log in to Instagram to see the full message he wrote. He talks of going to the beach with his son and son's mother and mentions his son is a big brother to some other child of unspecified sex. Using Safari, my normal browser, logged out, I just saw he posted something, not what the details were. Other details that were added that I deleted seem to come from other users, not him, so can't be used. He did not specify the other child's name or the name of the mother. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

John Leguizamo article lead

Hi there! I recently got into a dispute with another editor who insisted on adding "Colombian-born" to the lead of the biography of John Leguizamo. I know you have edited and remarked on this article in the past. I added a new section to the subject's Talk page regarding the addition of his birthplace in the lead and why I object as well as my sources for his having American nationality. I was wondering what your opinion was, and whether you could take a look and offer your opinions. Thanks! Apoorva Iyer (talk) 22:19, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much!Apoorva Iyer (talk) 22:33, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

@Apoorva Iyer: It is strange that you were reverted, you put the article back to where it was previously stable. This periodically comes up in the article either adding an ethnicity, Colombian-American, or his birth location, neither are appropriate. The editor who reverted you is actively on the article, I am surprised an experienced editor kept putting that back knowing the article history as he likely does. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I am not entirely sure what happened. But the end result of the entire situation was that I and the other editor were blocked. Thankfully my block was lifted. Anyway, now that there is a Talk page, hopefully any discussion can be more civil. Apoorva Iyer (talk) 22:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

MacCready – Undiscussed page moves, merges, or redirects

See List of Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World characters for one example, but they've also been doing it elsewhere, like with Full House and Fuller House. They are two totally different series that should not be merged. Likewise, for Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World. Yes, both Girl Meets World and Fuller House are spinoffs, but they are still different series. What, are we going to merge their parent and episode list articles next? See their recent contributions linked in the header. I'll be reverting their other edits shortly. Ping IJBall and MPFitz1968 as well. Amaury • 23:00, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Okay, it looks like you got the rest, Geraldo. Thanks. Amaury • 23:10, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Tagging of Template:Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on

WP:CSD). I request that you consider not re-tagging Template:Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

01:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

@DESiegel: R3 says "This criterion does not apply to redirects created as a result of a page move,[3] unless the moved page was also recently created." and "implausible typos or misnomer" The redirect was created reverting a recent move to this location. The title makes no sense for where the redirect goes thus the misnomer part. I believe the delete request was valid under R3. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:55, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

The moved page was not IMO recently created, merely recently moved. I don't think R3 applies, but you have a point. I'll delete under G6, housekeeping, as with the page having been at that name only for ma short mtiem, ther are not likely to be incomming links. Thanks for point the situatiojn out to me. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Disney owns Fox

Spies in Disguise and other films are distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B027:DA22:549D:7D0A:48A3:B51 (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

References disagree. The fact that Disney owns Fox doesn't mean that Fox has ceased to exist as an organization and can't have releases under its own label if Fox and Disney so choose and as references state is happening. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Re: Follow-up on problems with Zap2it air dates

 Resolved. Amaury • 17:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

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@MPFitz1968: Since this affects all television series, have either of you tried contacting Zap2it via the Contact Us with the information posted in the original discussion on what is causing the issue? This is a pretty significant issue that should be fixed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:55, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I haven't yet, but that definitely is something to add to my "to-do" list. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:01, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: At some point, one of us should probably contact The Futon Critic about the issues for production codes of Disney Channel series, but that's not quite as big of a deal compared to this. Other Disney series seem to be okay (ABC, Disney XD), so it's only Disney Channel series themselves for some reason. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:04, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Any updates on this regarding Zap2it? Amaury • 22:51, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: No, though one reason is I haven't written to them yet. Got sidelined by a whole bunch of things and this kept getting put on the backburner. Going thru the "Contact Us" on their site thus far is proving to be challenging, about what category this falls under ("I am having a problem or have a comment about..."). I could use "Upcoming airings", since that comes the closest. "Recommendations" might work too, but the air date problem is more a glaring error that needs to be fixed than something on the site that can be improved. Hoping to write something to them in the days ahead regarding the air date errors. MPFitz1968 (talk) 05:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I've contacted The Futon Critic at [email protected] regarding the other issue: This appears to only be affecting all Disney Channel series. All other networks’ series are unaffected. This started sometime in early-mid May, as everything was fine before then. Production codes were being properly displayed as 101, 102, etc. Now the problem is, as of May, that production codes are displaying as, for example, V505 and don’t even match the seasons that a series actually has. See Andi Mack, for example: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/andi-mack/listings/ This one starts out okay, though that is not the case for the other Disney Channel series. As you can see with Andi Mack, it starts getting screwed up with "Better To Have Wuvved and Wost" which is actually production code 215; however, you have it listed as V301. The previous episodes before that beginning at V207 are also technically screwed up. The numbers are coincidentally correct, but that “V” shouldn’t be there. Andi Mack only has three seasons, and even your page says that under "Season(s)," but your listings imply five seasons. Like V511. I mean, just compare the season three episodes here (https://www.wdtvpress.com/disneychannel/shows/andi-mack/episodes/) to what you have. Seeing as this was fine before May of this year, is it possible that some software update caused this, but only for Disney Channel series for some reason? Is it possible to fix? Remember this is affecting all Disney Channel series. I only used Andi Mack as an example. Best regards, Amaury

I think I was clear enough. Amaury • 16:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Finally got around to writing to Zap2it ... posted my comment/issue under "upcoming airings", the text below:

I have been noticing in the episode guide, not only with future episodes, but with past episodes as well, that the (original) air dates are one day earlier than when the episodes have actually aired, or were scheduled to air. From what I've seen, this appears to be the case no matter which TV series I look at on the site. And the dates shown appear to be time-zone dependent based on 0z (00:00 Universal Time Coordinated). I live in the U.S., and normally I see the air dates as one day earlier as I pointed out above, but when I switch my computer clock to UTC or a time zone east of that, those dates shift to the next calendar date. When clicking on the "upcoming airings" button by an episode yet to air (if it's within about two weeks of the air date), the difference becomes clear ... like with season 3 episode 1 of Elena of Avalor, which says "AIRING OCT 06, 2019", but after clicking "upcoming airings", the first date/time I see is "10/07/2019 at 10:30 AM" (I'm writing this on September 23, 2019, and the time zone is for the Denver, CO, US area). This bug in the dates I've noticed for several months now; could someone please look into fixing this problem? MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

And they responded to me via e-mail, saying they have alerted their technical team about the problem. We can only hope they get it fixed soon. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:09, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Swift response. Hopefully they fix it. The Futon Critic never responded to me. Amaury • 16:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez and IJBall: Notice anything? Amaury • 16:25, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

^ @IJBall and MPFitz1968: You two are who I meant to ping. Also, that just leaves The Futon Critic now. Last time I checked, they still hadn't fixed production codes for Disney Channel series. Amaury • 16:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Nope. Disney Channel production codes still not fixed. And I never even got an email back. Amaury • 16:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Discussion at Talk: Candi Milo#YOB (Years of Birth) 1961 or 1966?

No response from there since September 25 and DOB looks vague and COMPLETELY unsourced. It should be removed entirely like you did to Jessica DiCicco on October 5. Please ping your buddies.

Fin,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Need You to Assess

Geraldo, I need you to assess this edit. This IP has been adding Mondo as a "production company" across a number of articles, while also changing the nationality from single-nationality to "[country]-Italian". I am guessing that at least the second part of all of these edits are incorrect, but I'm less sure about the first part. Anyway, need your guidance. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Mondo TV looks to be a broadcaster and distributor, not a production company for this series. The reference added for support shows nothing more than that. Rest of article and external links show no Italian involvement at all. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

That's what I figured. We're going to need to keep an eye on this IP, because they are doing this at several different articles (and I think have done this from two different IP addresses...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:12, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: More than just that one IP, seems to use a range. Also looking at mondotv news and other stuff on that site and on some other articles listed as Italian-other animations, it looks like any time Mondo is mentioned as involved the Italian nationality gets added. Sometimes it is valid, sometimes Mondo is just a distributor. It should be clear in the article exactly what Mondo is doing. Mondo TV has more but looks like also does work with subsidiaries in other countries so even if involved with production, may not indicate Italian involvement. Just being listed on their site has little meaning without looking into exactly how Mondo is involved. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Gabby Duran & the Unsittables

Is

sci-fi an official genre? I'm just asking because I know at Andi Mack and Raven's Home, in the infobox, we have, respectively, "Family comedy-drama" and "Family sitcom," with no line break after "family" because "family" is not a genre. Now here, is "Sci-fi <break> comedy" in the infobox correct, or should it just be "Sci-fi comedy"? Amaury

• 16:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Sci-fi is just a common short form of science fiction and is a genre as the linked article states. So the series is both a comedy and it is science fiction, terms can be reversed in the description and mean the same thing. The break in the infobox looks fine to me. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

When is the location the characters live at ever defining? Because I keep reverting things like this as not defining. Amaury • 16:03, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I don't see it as defining unless the setting has some impact on what the show is about. The fact it is mentioned in the article does seem to indicate it matters, though. It seems one of those census type categories that are commonly added to articles when a setting is mentioned in the article text. Category:Television shows set in Colorado lists a bunch of shows where the setting is dubious as being defining as does the whole category tree that is in. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Random-type question

Is it now time to put in a

WP:RSs) at all, but I can say that all of the related advertising I see for this film are definitely calling it "Frozen II". --IJBall (contribs • talk

) 23:34, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: https://movies.disney.com/frozen-2 still calls it Frozen 2 in any text about the movie but the logos stylize it as FROZENII pretty consistently. Looks like things haven't changes much with what Disney is still officially calling the movie. We would need to examine what the common name is again. I don't see this as a high priority right now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Looks like

WP:RSs are also starting to go with "Frozen II" – e.g. Deadline, Variety. But I agree that I'm in no hurry on this, and am hoping someone else tackles it... --IJBall (contribs • talk

) 18:35, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Disney international dubbings

Hello. I don't know if you are the right person to ask to, if not, I apologize. Maybe you've noticed, I've been taking care in the past few years of adding and keeping neat and updated all information about Disney's official international productions (especially in songs adaptations) and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) I've had your approval so far. However, the subject seems to be a bit controversial: I've met along the years people who've been reverting or removing some edits of mine, basically because they didn't consider them pertinent (I've had problems especially with one user who's come as far as threatening me to report me). True that these disagreements have diminished along the years, but my question is: if such content I deal with is removed, should I accept it because such edits are really not pertinent or do they have a right to some room in their articles, as I say? Thank you for your time and help. Ninahi8 (talk) 17:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@

WP:dispute resolutions procedures. Generally the onus is on the one making a change to established content if someone disagrees with the change. If something you do is removed you need to consider whether or not it is worth it from the point of article improvement to push it. Sometimes it is best to just move on to other stuff. Geraldo Perez (talk

) 17:50, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Ninahi8 (talk) 21:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)