User talk:Gingeksace

-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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While we are appreciative of your efforts and interest in the encyclopedia, it seems clear that you have a conflict of interest

There are also issues with the photos you have added to these articles, How is it that you have taken so many photographs of him, his work and his events going back to at least 2015 if you are an unconnected editor as you state on my talk page? The photos are uploaded as your "own work". How did you get licensing permission to upload his copyrighted artworks? You have also uploaded numerous newspaper articles as your own work which is a copyright violation. Could you please explain? Many thanks! Netherzone (talk) 16:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I understand what you say... Indeed I asked the author by e-mail to use his pictures as my own work and he agreed.

I think, indeed, the opera of this author earned to be on wikipedia: so many books apprecited critically (there are monographs about him in both Italy and in UK), prizes, relevant critics writing of him on relevant magazines. International successs too.

I think we should concentrate on that and help an author that seems making a honest and strong carrier earning a position. There are two degrees, a Master of Arts and a PHD too all in literature. And teaching for years at university. Please, if I may ask, do not focus so much attention on this aspect of "own work pictures..." tHis author has so many things to say...

With very best wishes. 16:40, 8 August 2022 Gingeksace (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About all creations you metions: I just inserted one by one thinking it was nice to give a complete work of an author. As always I thought that if there were not enough reference and reasons to be there, someone would have been contested and deleted that.

I Think I worked in good faith trying just to focus my attention on this author more than others (by the way I written many articles on old or death poets too... Gingeksace (talk) 16:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

...about newspaper violetion: I am sorry: I thought that scannering an article made it automatically become the same article as "my own work". I had not interest to violate copyright... I am not just enough expert of all these things... I am sincerely sorry for it... It is so bad to be accused to violate copyright.... Anyway, I am learning so many things... Thanks!

Best wishes Gingeksace (talk) 17:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not disputing that you acted in good faith, and realize that Italian WP may have different rules and guidelines, and you may not have known that. If you are unsure about something, ask at the

WP:HELPDESK. Regarding the photos on Commons, you can ask at their Helpdesk, since they are a separate entity from WP. In the meantime, please do follow the English Wikipedia guidelines regarding declaring your Conflict of Interest. Thank you, Netherzone (talk) 17:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply

]

ok. Thank you!

Regards Gingeksace (talk) 17:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to add that maybe through my enthusiasm, but lack of knowledge of the rules, I've made something of a mess. Sorry!! Gingeksace (talk) 07:55, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since 2015, you have had a conflict of interest with

Sorry, if a ask, but I really do not understand what is promotional in this article...

It is an italian excellence for literature who wrote 40 books and they are just listed. What is promotional? indeed I do not understand it... Gingeksace (talk) 17:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In addition I did not removed tag for Menotti LErro article, it was removed from someone else... declining the request of speedy deletion. I think all this is a bit rude to me... Gingeksace (talk) 17:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Menotti Lerro article was created as a draft and it was accepted. After it has been improved with help of some experts of wikipedia. I do not see what is promotional here...

SOrry if I am frank... but It is not nice to talk of promotional in this case I think... Gingeksace (talk) 17:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did not write anything promotional therefore I do not accept you talk and put tags like this to me.

Menotti Lerro is one of the most relevant italian author from years and there are monographs sayoing this. So, I do not understand why you look so strongly convinced he dosn't earn the right to be on wikipedia. I see very week profiles in the fild of literature on wikipedia but you did not notice those. The worst one for you is Menotti LErro (both as author and as article?) Gingeksace (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

However, ok, I do not write anything else... because I ereally do not understand...

Thank you and sorry if I am unable to understand where the real problem is... but it is my foulf of course. Gingeksace (talk) 17:59, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, we all know that very very often behind an article of a living author there are some conflict, some direct influence... It is often evident that article are written from the same authors (and it can be good in some way, because they know the rreal biography). I think the real important thing should be is there are not the requirements to be enciclopedic or not.

Lets try to be a bit more flexible if possible... Gingeksace (talk) 18:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please address the COI issues.

• Have you read and do you understand
  WP:COI
  ?
• Did you remove COI tags on articles related to Menotti Lerro and his projects?
• Have you disclosed your COI on your user page?

Netherzone (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The poit is I am not promoting anything. I am creating honest beautiful pages of good literature. I see you write of arts and poetry too. You should understand these things.

As I have explained I just asked the author to use as mu own work some pictures and he agreed. Can you prove I have a COI? Gingeksace (talk) 18:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I ask you to remove yourself all these tags you put and help to polish the pages. Menotti Lerro creeated the most important movement in contemporary age Empathism give an hand to improve it, not try to delete it. Thanks a lot. All the best Gingeksace (talk) 18:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to underline I just made a section to explain I have contacted my subject Menotti Lerro to ask to use his pictures. Gingeksace (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An article you recently created,

Same for Battiti della notte I am afraid... :-) Gingeksace (talk) 02:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An article you recently created,

The sources are not independent, they consist of press releases, calendar listings, blog or do not mention him at all. Netherzone (talk) 22:12, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand...I thought that sources were more important... but they actually are not...

I am now understanding more of what can be important for an article to be relevant...

Thanks to give me the opportunity to improve it. BUt I don't see around other better sources for it...

Non è tutto oro quello che luce! (did you know this Italian saying?) ;-) Gingeksace (talk) 02:28, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Gingeksace, it is the quality of the sources, not the quantity that is important. And also the sources must demonstrate in-depth significant coverage, not just a mention or a listing. Lastly sources should be independent of the subject, not connected to the subject or sponsoring the subject.

I think I get the saying! Fool's gold may sparkle and attract the eye, but is not real gold....and therefore does not have the same value.

To my way of thinking, a good approach to these two articles would be to merge the content into the Menotti Lerro article, and then have these two deleted. But that is just my opinion, it would involve a discussion with other editors. What do you think about that? Netherzone (talk) 04:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you a lot! Indeed you got the saying and I like the English version you gave too... :)) I think I agree with your opinion about the possibility to merge the content into the Menotti Lerro article and delete these two... Gingeksace (talk) 04:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gingeksace, I'm glad that you think you agree with this plan, since the two shorter articles duplicate content and are mainly sourced to primary, connected sources. For example, the

WP:WALLEDGARDEN

. We can go thru the other articles one by one as we find the time, and we can discuss the changes as we go.

I want you to know that I've never disputed Lerro's notability, only the promotional tone of that article (which can be fixed in the future, and I will explain in detail at that time why certain things are promo.)

The other related articles (the

New Manifesto of Arts

are very closely related, repeat the same content and don't need to be separate articles. They can all be folded into the Lerro article, or into the Empathism article. Again, the primary, non-independent sources and trivial mentions like event listings and press releases should be removed so that the sourcing consists of independent reliable sources only - the type that belongs in an encyclopedia. "Consolidate and improve" can guide the way.

Does this make sense to you? If not please respond so we can continue to discuss and clarify. Best wishes, Netherzone (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Netherzone,

Thank you a lot for your explanations and suggestions: I think you are perfectly right about the way to follow and I will glad to assist at this process.

Maybe I would leave, as you also suggest, as main articles of reference the Menotti Lerro's one and the Empathism one and merge into them the Pyramid and Manifesto articles (maybe better using the method of the draft leaving them expire...).

Thank you a lot for all this.

With my best regards. Gingeksace (talk) 00:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those two articles Menotti Lerro and Empathism seem like the two most important and notable ones of the group. Thank you for working together with me. I'll continue to work on cleaning things up as I find the time. If there are any questions I will reach out, and please do not hesitate to reach out to me as well. Netherzone (talk) 00:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It will give also more compactness at the main articles. It is nice to work together and to learn so many things, thanks!

I will be ready, in case, to ask or make observations... Gingeksace (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever edited Wikipedia, English or Italian version, using another user name or had a former account(s)? Netherzone (talk) 20:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Gingeksace, and welcome to Wikipedia. I edit here too, under the username Sideswipe9th, and I thank you for your contributions.

I wanted to let you know, however, that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created,

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Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for letting me know. In my opinion this article is about an important, innovative and niche topic. I think it worth to keep it and wait for possible relevant developments. But of course I will accept your decision. Best wishes. Gingeksace (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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