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I'm not exactly sure which part of your last edit did it, but the infobox in Ottoman Empire is utterly massive and should be restored to its previous width ASAP. For the life of me I can't figure out exactly what caused it, probably something to do with the NoWraps. Aza24 (talk) 05:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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Happy to help. Your lang tags looked like an unrelated improvement, so you could probably restore them at least. Best – Aza24 (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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I will be having felafel tonight in Melbourne Australia (I live near large Middle Eastern and Greek communities) and I would like to invite you to join me in spirit Your thanks made my day!. It took 2 days of work to get the information together, and I had seen no response. I am still hesitant about whether my evidence and data driven approach suits Meta, but if one person is happy that is enough. I agree with your analysis. Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 00:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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Sorry, I had to undo these 3 edits (2 by you, one of them very big, and one by a bot working in the area of your edits) because they effectively destroyed a large part of the 3rd table in the relevant article. Please feel free to re-enter your changes once you have found and fixed whatever in them caused the table to be damaged. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 06:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: Just in case you can't see what the problem is on your mobile and its software, on both my PC and my mobile, the table of Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown lost almost every entry from Pepi II of ancient Egypt (which was now said to be in 17th century India) to Robert of the Duchy of Bar (reign dates indicating 67 years, but duration no longer shown), with durations missing for the few that remained (with the 5th remaining entry,Sultan Abdul Kadir (etc) being shown with dates indicating a reign of 4 years, 1826-1830) with the first duration to reappear being 66 years,and quite likely there were also other problems which I hadn't noticed. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

After further checking, the 4-year reign problem was already there before your edit. And adding close brackets after Seti II's Old Kingdom of Egypt would fix his entry, though most of the entries have still disappeared, presumably due to many other missing brackets. I note that if your software somehow automatically adds the missing brackets then you presumably can't see the problems. Meanwhile, as expected the above mentioned list of problems was incomplete as Ramses II's New Kingdom of Egypt is also said to be in British India since 1712, presumably due to yet more missing brackets, and quite likely there are many more such problems yet to be discovered. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Incidentally,if the problem is caused by your software adding missing brackets that then destroys tables for older software users who are left stuck with the missing brackets, then maybe you should report it this to the relevant authorities (whoever they may be). Tlhslobus (talk) 07:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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I don't think the missing entries are due to the size of your Clipboard, or at least not the first missing ones. Certainly my testing showed that the missing tail-end of Pepi II is due to 2 missing close brackets (2 of this character: } ) after 'Egypt]]', which causes the software to ignore everything until it finds two close brackets many entries later, because 2 of { were used to open a template function (to add emphasis to Old Kingdom of Egypt, if I remember correctly). As for how you fix it, you may just need to go looking for pairs of open brackets characters { and then check that they have their matching pair of close brackets correctly placed. And then check using Preview that your changes don't damage the table before posting them, and self-revert if you forget to check and thus post a damaging change. This should not be a problem unless your software somehow stops you seeing that there are missing entries in these 3 edits, but if it doesn't show them as missing (perhaps because your software correctly guesses where the missing brackets should be) then you might want to ask me to try to make the changes for you (though it may be a while before I have the time to try). But, assuming your software doesn't stop you noticing missing entries, then quite likely the fix will actually only take you a few minutes once you start looking for Open Brackets using whatever Find function Google Docs offers you. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 18:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

And, although I can't currently be 100% sure of this, there is probably no need for you to worry about wrong dates at the moment: some (such as the 4 years for Sultan Abdul Kadir) are errors that were already there, while others (including Pepi II, as I have checked) are the result of missing brackets causing different entries to get partly merged. Tlhslobus (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I've now fixed your changes and added them back in, along with a few of my own. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 03:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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Please format ellipses without square brackets, per the Manual of Style. DrKay (talk) 12:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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How many articles are there on the Wikipedia? Monredo (talk) 14:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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Maybe, I think there are 6,552,935 articles as of 19 September 2022 according to wikicount.net, So that's why i know. Monredo (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Conversions should only be used once for a specific measurement, not every time. I have, therefore, reverted your additional conversions to the Borodino-class battlecruiser article. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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They remained as I totally forgot about them.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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Re "it smells like a bad faith effort to avoid association with being described as "cancerous" to me" in [1] - seriously? Please assume good faith, and perhaps look at my other edits that day for the background - and please consider revising your statement there. Mike Peel (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: I'm sorry, but it did seem like at least some amount corporate cleanup to me; I admit I did see opening a redirect for discussion in the middle of that discussion as somewhat bad faith. I apologise for assuming there was no genuine feeling behind it; that's over the line and you're right.

But I have to say, as someone who's lost someone to cancer – stating it's "quite offensive to anyone who's lost someone to cancer" isn't true for me personally. And I still think it's accurate to say the WMF would want to avoid being described as "cancerous" – I don't believe it's bad faith to assume that, as I'd imagine no non-profit would want that association.—

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Thank you. I respect that it isn't offensive to you personally, although I was hoping that more people here would appreciate that it can be offensive to others. I still think it's bad to make assumptions here about WMF, or 'corporate cleanup' - please assume good faith more. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I saw you removed this portion from Entheogen, but wouldn't it be included? Seems like an obvious choice. Thanks. Altanner1991 (talk) 03:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

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I was talking about the first part of this diff: [2] ("Alcohol is often used in the Christian tradition for religious ceremonies"). Perhaps it should be worked on, rather than removed entirely? Thanks, Altanner1991 (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

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Oh no problem; appreciate it. Altanner1991 (talk) 00:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi. It was all 10 or 11 years ago but if you're interested, you'll find a lot of what you need to know here. It was a project that went badly wrong from corruption and misappropriation of funds, mismanagement of competing local affiliates, to the catastrophic 'education' itself. I warned the WMF what was about to happen but a senior WMF director was not very polite and slammed a metaphorical door in my face saying words to the effect of "Kudpung is a drama monger. What he is suggesting is poppycock." After having had numerous one-on-one Skype talks with some of the other major players, with my knowledge of the cultural dichotomy from my many years living and working in academia in Asia, I offered to go and defuse the issue(s) . It's only a only a 2 hour flight from where I live, but the WMF all jumped on a plane in San Francisco for a junket to India and just made matters worse. Finally they hired an expensive US business consultant to fly out there, investigate, and make a report. Her report was carefully written (as she later told me privately) so as not to sound too accusing of those who hired her, but the summary was clear.

I rallied our en.Wiki volunteers together to make a massive clean up of the results of the 'education' itself. Of the person or persons who were responsible for the failed project, some disappeared into the Asian undergrowth, others had their employment terminated or resigned voluntarily; others, instead of being fired, were given a new stand-alone Foundation affiliate to run and remain in employment but where the WMF itself would be divested of any future responsibility if anything went wrong. There aren't many people around today who remember the fiasco; the WMF has conveniently forgotten it and has gone on to make many more money wasting experiments of various kinds, and still does.

Because they are paid for what they do, the WMF staff think they are more qualified than any of the volunteers and behave with an air of superiority when challenged - even going as far as to threaten users with sanctions if they say too much, as you can see from the RfC. IMO that's the reason why for example with the poorly worded fundraising banners (even with their incorrect use of English), they won't listen. They don't want to lose face as they massively did with

You're welcome 🙂 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, many thanks for your efforts on this article. Could you please note, however, that the Rp template is not used in this article (or anything else that I've brought to formal review). If you are convinced that the additional page numbers are needed then please add the page number to the original ref, or use Sfn. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: ah, sorry – I just saw some references that had their corresponding page numbers placed in hidden comments, so I thought they ought to be visible on the page, as a reader otherwise would not know what page numbers of a reference were used to source something.

I honestly thought it was fine as an addition to a regular reference; it allows a reference formatted as <ref></ref> to be called multiple times with different page ranges each time throughout the article, a function I've found useful myself before now.

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Thanks. Rp has the undesirable attribute of thrusting (a fragment of) citation data into the reader's face, when reading all other citations is (rightly) optional, so I personally find it especially objectionable; but the fact that it's not in use in the article should be sufficient reply here. On the multiple independent refs, the answer is just to use a named ref, and usually it can be just once at the end of the paragraph. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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The reason I used the ref note format was that it allowed the same note to link to mulltiple refs. Also I was told in the FAC to move the manual calculations out of the reference list. Serendi^podous 18:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

There's two separate notes? I though I combined them into one note called multiple times in the infobox?

Yes one in the notes and one in the references Serendi^podous 12:54, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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I have no idea on which articles you worked, your user and talk page does not show much which is bad. I worked more than three years on Rasputin, Robespierre and Germaine de Stael, etc. My memory is pretty good when it comes to dates, but I cannot keep every detail in my mind. So I make/made hidden comments to get the chronology right. This practise seems very unusual on Wikipedia. Taksen (talk) 10:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

That's fine! It just puzzled me to see so many hidden comments. I understand the topic is both large and contentious, and trying to pick apart details from events that happened over a century ago can be mind-boggling. Thank you for your hard work!—

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I too found the hidden text confusing, and frankly inappropriate. I took your hint and have gone through the article, clearing out around 200 examples of hidden text, consistent with

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