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Hey you reverted my recent edits, but have a look Get Up (EP), "Super Shy" or OMG uses links more than once Johnceed (talk) 13:10, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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WP:LINKONCE, the solution is to remove the duplicate links in those articles. Lightoil (talk

) 13:58, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, re this edit - |done=yes is nothing to do with archiving, it deactivates the {{initiated}}. Archiving is triggered by the {{done}} etc. as explained at the top of the page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay thanks for the info Lightoil (talk) 17:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Lightoil, it's nice to meet you. I have an open discussion regarding an edit request on the Teleperformance Talk page that seems to have lost traction. Since you reviewed a different request, I thought you might be willing to weigh in here as well. Thanks for your time, ~~~~ ANishina (talk) 09:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

@ANishina, Spintendo has already answered the request and I have have no interest in that edit request Best, Lightoil (talk) 10:31, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

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the thing that i uploaded? what was it that i uploaded? i dont recall anything? 117.211.164.146 (talk) 11:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I have no clue what you are asking? Lightoil (talk) 14:46, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

regarding this if there's no controversy, I need help moving on top of a redirect. Also, I was only able to create the post at the talk page by clicking a link that was auto-generated from my post on the request board. Help, I'm kinda confused! skakEL 17:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Skakkle: I think it is a potentially controversial move and a 7-day discussion is best. If it is unopposed the closer will move the page as requested moves do not have minimum quorum. Lightoil (talk) 17:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

gotcha, thanks skakEL 17:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for taking some time to watch my page. I've been working on this since February and it was declined before. That time I've got some useful tips on what was wrong with this article, I did a lot of corrections and submitted. As for your review, I think I get the 'reference bombing" thing, I will go through all the references to reduce its number. Indeed, many refer to recent album that was largely covered in the Spanish language press and some journalist like to copy/paste from the same press release they've got so many may share similar content.

As for the "peacock terms" and the "too promotional" comments Can you please be more specific? I really can't see where the "promotional" stuff is, comparing to many other musician's wikis Y reviewed.

That would be really helpful fro me, this is taking way too long!

Thanks in advance, cheers Vic.

Vicpaz (talk) 13:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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AFD. Lightoil (talk

) 14:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, well I already found 7 ref that are redundant, I will remove tonight.

What's wrong with the formatting? I guess you refer to the actual English-language-sentence-formatting? Cause the actual page format/layout (what in my native language is called "formatting") looks ok, like many other artist's pages.

If you could point me to one issue abut that it will be very helpful.

thanks again,

vic Vicpaz (talk) 14:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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Discogs as a source for his discography. Lightoil (talk

) 14:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Got it.

I don't know what to use as "discography source", other than discogs, there's the label's webpage and Spotify etc, I though discogs was more "neutral"...

I guess the use of italics vs quotation marks is different in other languages, cause I'm quite sure I read that album, book and plays should be in quotation marks , but I was wrong. And the only use I see of bold in the body is for album titles (I used both bold and quotation marks, twice wrong!)

Will work on this tonight, and will streamline the ref. section.

I guess I should re-submit the corrected article and put it in the line again, right?

Thanks for your kind assistance. Really appreciate, cheers VP Vicpaz (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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MOS:POPMUSIC for the relervent guideline. Remember other language Wikipediaes have their own rules for Manual of Style. Lightoil (talk

) 15:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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Turnagra (talk) 04:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I noticed you declined my draft, which normally would be no issue but now it's not giving me the option to resubmit. I wasnt done writing it and adding references yet as I had just gotten helpful tips from another Wikipedian to help me. So how can I resubmit when I am done? Thank you Segatari (talk) 5:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Segatari: There is no option to resubmit because I don't think the topic is notable. Lightoil (talk) 05:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

There are lots of sources that I can include now that I know what sources define notability and which are permitted for drafts. I've really learned a lot and I know exactly what references to add to prove notability. Please kindly unlock it so I can resubmit :( Segatari (talk) 05:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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WP:MFD. Lightoil (talk

) 05:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

As an example of publications of this kind, the biography of Gazprom top manager Alexey Miller was published in the English version of Wikipedia. And you can find many such examples. I hope for your understanding. Leo211 (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a good argument. Lightoil (talk

) 01:11, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the review.

The only thing I don’t understand is why the other five editors (Qcne, Johannes, GoingBatty, Vanderwaalforces, Kilaseell) didn’t immediately reject the draft on the basis of the fact that it was not notasble? They were happy with everything, I fulfilled their requirements and finalized the draft.

So the decision to block the draft is made by one person? If the issue of inclusion or non-inclusion of an article is so serious in terms of requirements, then a collective decision is necessary. That's fair then. And here it turns into an extremely regulated space. Leo211 (talk) 09:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Leo211 rejection happens when you submit too many times without passing AFC review and it is done by an individual editor not by consensus. Like I said to the person below your post, you could add {{subst:submit}} at your own risk. Lightoil (talk) 17:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the clarification, otherwise I thought I was doing something wrong)))) Leo211 (talk) 12:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, recently you closed a discussion regarding a requested move for the DMA's wiki article after majority voted not to have the page moved. The move was initially requested on 3 October 2023 as recent reliable sources refer to the band as "DMA'S" not "DMA's".

Please see some examples of such sources below: https://www.aria.com.au/awards/nominees https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/troye-sivan-dmas-taylor-swift-2023-aria-awards-1235471303/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28w72eblKGw https://open.spotify.com/artist/1iUTUix5kea176M0uJTsh4?si=k64sQJW1SoieRWJJufO8hw and https://dmasdmas.com/ I wanted to discuss with you this topic before officially requesting a review of the closure, thank you. Kweenoo1620 (talk) 01:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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WP:SUPERVOTE, I will also have to go against policy. Lightoil (talk

) 04:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I saw that when you performed the move at Judge Rotenberg Center, the page swap for the corresponding talk pages or archives was malformed. I've swapped the talk pages and subpages now so that they work out correctly. Cheers! ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 15:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@Freedom4U ummm I may be dumb but how were they malformed? Lightoil (talk) 16:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

For some reason, only the subpages of the talk pages were moved (the two talk archives), but the talk pages themselves weren't swapped. I'm stumped myself as to how that could have happened, but it's all good now. :) ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 16:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

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Retreat of Republic of China to Taiwan Lightoil (talk

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Thank you! NM 03:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

You could have just edit out Koreaboo,

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WP:RSN or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources. Lightoil (talk

) 16:22, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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References}} from other editors because i'm new, before you restored it. I'm sorry my inquest was incoherent, and i was only annoyed because you told me to never touch the article, but i'm sorry for everything, I'm willing to learn from you and other editors. Yotrages (talk

) 19:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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Teahouse.

By the way I have changed the references template in your comment as that should not be used in talk pages. Lightoil (talk

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Hold on, what? This was a Contested move at RM/TR, which nobody except the nom has supported, yet you've moved it anyway? Surely it should be no consensus? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru usually requested moves with no participation are moved but I could relist it if you oppose. Lightoil (talk) 00:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru nevermind I going to relist it. Lightoil (talk) 00:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for the move. Seems that many more will be needed, please see the bottom of my talk page and/or of Dicklyon's talk page. Thanks, and happy holidays. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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WP:RMUM. Lightoil (talk

) 01:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Well, yes, those are accurately uppercased per ngrams. But maybe they should be talked out with Dicklyon, as Liz suggested at my talk page, although the result will likely be the same reverts. Dicklyon probably moved these without checking the ngrams, and I don't think he'll object to the reverts (just seems a lot of work, maybe tools will do these quickly as not only the titles need to be reversed but the text was also lowercased in the articles I've looked at and those should also be reverted). Not to put this work al on you, you were just the editor who caught my RM request. I don't actually know how mass reverts like this one requested are carried out. Thanks again. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry Randy Kryn, I am going to decline doing the mass move revert as I am not sure/confident of doing such task, a maybe ask Liz to do so as her admin tools it would possibility make it easier to complete mass moves? Lightoil (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Of course, it sounds like a bit of work. Liz noticed the request quickly, and rightly thinks some discussion should be held as to avert an edit war, so I've stopped reverting the lowercasings although I don't think anyone would edit war over this. Am a bit surprised that none of the regular page editors of the topics didn't object, I just happened to have that one tarot card on my watch list for some reason and moved it, then checked another which is when I came to the RM page, and you took it from there. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, it's because I review the Move log regularly so I both noticed all of User:Dicklyon's article moves over the past few days, noticed the one rever that Randy Kryn did and saw Lightoil's edit summary in one of your moves mentioning this incident. I believe that there is a tool for mass page moves but I've never used it before and would not like to experiment with it on main space articles. But before doing dozens of reverts, I think there should be a discussion at RM with Dicklyon because, to be honest, I don't know which capitalization scheme is appropriate. I'm kind of weak on my MOS knowledge. I do know that Dicklyon had a rationale in his page moves but I don't recall what it was. My goal is to avoid a move war and to avoid that happening, it's important to get more editors involved in a discussion. I find edit wars are much more likely to happen when you have just two editors with opposing points of views, you get 4 or 5 editors offering their opinion, you're much less likely to be going back and forth.

But I have spent little time at RM. Is that an appropriate place to have this discussion? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

manuel of style discussion, not on my talk page which no one watches. Lightoil (talk

) 04:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I'd just like to inform you that you are archiving your talk page in a much too quick manner compared to standard Wikipedia policy.

@

WP:OWNTALK states that I could archive my own talk page however I want. Please give an example of any of my archived conversations that you feel has been archived prematurely. However, to assuage your concerns I will lengthen my archive time for now. Lightoil (talk

) 18:59, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

The "discretion" you speak of still implies that it's within a reasonable timeframe. For example, anywhere from 1-6 month delay is a viable option depending on how often you get talk messages. However, below a month is highly uncommon unless your page is extremely busy.

One example would be your recent Randy Kryn discussion. It seems you ended the discussion with "hey, this shouldn't be on my talk page" and then archived it. That may very well be true, but

WP:UOWN states that talk pages do not belong to the user. If someone disagreed with this statement they would not have been able to respond because it was immediately archived. It is not, say, like an email inbox you can check and delete. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ

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) 22:00, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

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SM Ent founded new company : Studio White. There's a news about it Charlotte Anna Joyce (talk) 08:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Charlotte Anna Joyce: Add a source don't need to tell me about it. Lightoil (talk) 09:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

This Charlotte Anna Joyce (talk) 09:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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WP:CITE because all you replied is "This". Lightoil (talk

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Thank you for closing this discussion, but I was hoping you would reconsider your closure. In it, three editors supported the move and two editors opposed, and if the arguments were of equal weight I would agree that a no consensus result would be reasonable, but they weren't. In particular, the argument The most reliable source (NZGB gazetteer via Toitū te Whenua/LINZ) gives the name as Taukihepa / Big South Cape Island per https://gazetteer.linz.govt.nz/place/5838 has no basis in policies or guidelines; a single source is never sufficient to determine what the common name is, particularly when that single source is from the entity that determines what the official name is - to give a single source such weight would overturn our preference for using the common name over the official name. BilledMammal (talk) 03:45, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal would you be fine with a relist? Lightoil (talk) 03:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd prefer a "move" result, but if you think further input would be beneficial then no objection from me, thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 03:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal I have relisted the requested move. Lightoil (talk) 03:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 04:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I came here to question why the perfectly acceptable close had been reverted so long after it was made, suppose I shouldn't have been surprised. For the record, I think your close was fine Lightoil given the move had been relisted previously and that one of the support votes was bordering on conspiratorial, but I'm sure a subsequent close will come to the same conclusion after wasting more of everyone's time. Turnagra (talk) 04:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

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