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Nice article
Hi Richerman, Just read and enjoyed Richard Buxton which popped up in Prestwich. Happy New Year.J3Mrs (talk) 18:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- PS He's in the ODNB and there are a few more details. I got to it with my Manchester 24 hour library card.J3Mrs (talk) 19:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- I put it up for DYK and the reviewer pointed out that it was an orphaned article so I added it to the Prestwich and Ancoats articles. I had an idea I'd seen the ODNB article and it was just a rehash of his own autobiography in his book but perhaps I was wrong. I did have a library card but put it away "safely" along with the pin number. I think I'll have to get another one :). Please add anything that you think is relevant. Richerman (talk) 21:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- I've never understood why orphaned articles are a problem, and if I ruled the world I'd delete that daft tag. Fatuorum21:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I suppose it just means that they're not likely to be found by easily. It wasn't tagged - just a comment, but it did prompt me to link it from some other articles. Richerman (talk) 23:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, are you doing an article for John Horsefield also? If not then I may have a go. I'll also do some other digging (there may be a pun there, of sorts!) as I am pretty sure that around the time of these two men the Prestwich Botanists were meeting at the Railway & Naturalist, a pub that still exists in Prestwich. - Sitush (talk) 10:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- NB: present Railway & Nat is not the original building ... but I know a man who has a large collection of old postcards relating to the area. I am also pretty sure that Horsefield & Buxton both are buried in marked graves not too far away, as are two other "notables" on whose articles I have worked in the last year. - Sitush (talk) 10:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- I read somewhere that Buxton is buried at St. Mary's church - I'll add that in when I remember where I saw it. I did think about maybe writing something on Horsefield but I've not found much yet - if you want to do it don't let me stop you :) I knew about the Railway and Nats but I've not really found anything verifiable yet. Who are the other 'notables' you're talking about? Richerman (talk) 11:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Horsefield created (is that the word?) a daffodil, which is named after him. The other notables have escaped my memory, but their names will surface now that I am thinking about it. I am pretty sure that both were engineers because that was the area in which I was contributing at the time. I couldn't get to the churchyard then due to suffering the effects of one of my frequent accidents, and if it wasn't my dog who ate my "homework" then something similar to that happened vis-a-vis my notes. OTOH, I do recall seeing Buxton's grave a few years back and it does mention the botanical connection - photograph time, if I had a decent camera. This is a good time of year for photos in overgrown cemeteries, although I suppose headstones are primary sources. - Sitush (talk) 11:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'll get down there with my camera this week - can you remember where the grave is located? BTW it say here 'Famous Burials include...Charles Swain - Poet, Sir William Fairbairn - Engineer, James Lamb - cabinet maker, John Brooks - member of the Anti-Corn League, Richard Buxton (one of the Manchester Botanists) and William Sturgeon - inventor of the Electro Magnet'. Richerman (talk) 11:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Fairbairn (who had bust ups with the family behind W & J Galloway & Sons) and Sturgeon are the ones of whom I was thinking, but there is another drifting through the mental mist & who is not on that list - give me some time. It is a few years since I ventured in the place - broken hip etc - but if you fancy a plod around it & want some company then I'll join you & it might jog my memory. - Sitush (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- That's a kind offer but I'll probably have to do a quick raid in between work shifts. If I can't find it I may take you up on that though. Richerman (talk) 12:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- It is a sprawling place and up/down hill. It is also likely to be pretty wet! I'll try to get there in the next couple of days & see whether I can pinpoint the necessaries again, then give you some details so that you are not rooting around in your limited time. - Sitush (talk) 13:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- OK, but please don't risk any broken bones on my behalf :) Richerman (talk) 14:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- The hip is a Meccano set now and will not budge. It is probably stronger than my unbroken one! OTOH, slicing off some of my toe with an angle grinder last year didn't exactly help matters <g> I'll be fine. - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- I see that there's a good account of Horsefield's life in the James Cash book - but then you obviously knew that having already made such a rash promise. Pity there's a chunk of it missing from google books - looks like a trip to the library for you :) Buxton should be on DYK fairly soon - all part of my drive to shine a light on our forgotten heroes of science.Richerman (talk)
- The hip is a Meccano set now and will not budge. It is probably stronger than my unbroken one! OTOH, slicing off some of my toe with an angle grinder last year didn't exactly help matters <g> I'll be fine. - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- OK, but please don't risk any broken bones on my behalf :) Richerman (talk) 14:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- It is a sprawling place and up/down hill. It is also likely to be pretty wet! I'll try to get there in the next couple of days & see whether I can pinpoint the necessaries again, then give you some details so that you are not rooting around in your limited time. - Sitush (talk) 13:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- That's a kind offer but I'll probably have to do a quick raid in between work shifts. If I can't find it I may take you up on that though. Richerman (talk) 12:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Fairbairn (who had bust ups with the family behind W & J Galloway & Sons) and Sturgeon are the ones of whom I was thinking, but there is another drifting through the mental mist & who is not on that list - give me some time. It is a few years since I ventured in the place - broken hip etc - but if you fancy a plod around it & want some company then I'll join you & it might jog my memory. - Sitush (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'll get down there with my camera this week - can you remember where the grave is located? BTW it say here 'Famous Burials include...Charles Swain - Poet, Sir William Fairbairn - Engineer, James Lamb - cabinet maker, John Brooks - member of the Anti-Corn League, Richard Buxton (one of the Manchester Botanists) and William Sturgeon - inventor of the Electro Magnet'. Richerman (talk) 11:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Horsefield created (is that the word?) a daffodil, which is named after him. The other notables have escaped my memory, but their names will surface now that I am thinking about it. I am pretty sure that both were engineers because that was the area in which I was contributing at the time. I couldn't get to the churchyard then due to suffering the effects of one of my frequent accidents, and if it wasn't my dog who ate my "homework" then something similar to that happened vis-a-vis my notes. OTOH, I do recall seeing Buxton's grave a few years back and it does mention the botanical connection - photograph time, if I had a decent camera. This is a good time of year for photos in overgrown cemeteries, although I suppose headstones are primary sources. - Sitush (talk) 11:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- I read somewhere that Buxton is buried at St. Mary's church - I'll add that in when I remember where I saw it. I did think about maybe writing something on Horsefield but I've not found much yet - if you want to do it don't let me stop you :) I knew about the Railway and Nats but I've not really found anything verifiable yet. Who are the other 'notables' you're talking about? Richerman (talk) 11:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- NB: present Railway & Nat is not the original building ... but I know a man who has a large collection of old postcards relating to the area. I am also pretty sure that Horsefield & Buxton both are buried in marked graves not too far away, as are two other "notables" on whose articles I have worked in the last year. - Sitush (talk) 10:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, are you doing an article for John Horsefield also? If not then I may have a go. I'll also do some other digging (there may be a pun there, of sorts!) as I am pretty sure that around the time of these two men the Prestwich Botanists were meeting at the Railway & Naturalist, a pub that still exists in Prestwich. - Sitush (talk) 10:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I suppose it just means that they're not likely to be found by easily. It wasn't tagged - just a comment, but it did prompt me to link it from some other articles. Richerman (talk) 23:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- I've never understood why orphaned articles are a problem, and if I ruled the world I'd delete that daft tag.
- I put it up for DYK and the reviewer pointed out that it was an orphaned article so I added it to the Prestwich and Ancoats articles. I had an idea I'd seen the ODNB article and it was just a rehash of his own autobiography in his book but perhaps I was wrong. I did have a library card but put it away "safely" along with the pin number. I think I'll have to get another one :). Please add anything that you think is relevant. Richerman (talk) 21:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I shall have to get you both library cards, Horsefield is there in the ODNB too. Do you have email, I could send it to you?J3Mrs (talk) 21:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have ODNB access via my nephew's university. Shhh. I'll take a look at Horsefield in the next day or two: I am amidst my usual skirmishes relating to Indian caste articles + need to polish Papadu, but I've already done some background reading on the daffodil man. I must have passed the site of his house daily, pretty much for the last 50 years! - Sitush (talk) 21:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- You can get it free from the Manchester 24 Hour Library website, it's free and very easy. I applied online as I don't live in the area.J3Mrs (talk) 21:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- At your urging I did renew my Manchester library access (honest Mum!) and there is an autobiography of Horsefield in the newspaper archives. However, I can't access the ODNB until I call into a Manchester library branch to confirm my address. You can contact me by email via the 'email this user' facility - the entry for Buxton would be nice...... Richerman (talk) 21:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, scrub that, it works now. It must take a few days before access is allowed. Richerman (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just sent it but no problem. Mum indeed, i take it you're under 30.J3Mrs (talk) 21:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Er, 'fraid not - I'm a grandparent too. In fact I'm about the same age as Malleus - sorry ;-) Richerman (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Pensionapedia then. :-)J3Mrs (talk) 22:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well I don't get the state pension yet (hence still working) but I do get a works pension and I am eligible for a bus pass. Richerman (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Oldipedia it is then. :-) J3Mrs (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Now there's a thought - no popular culture less han 40 years old, no articles on computer games, crappy films or TV programmes, no 'text speak' allowed - bliss! Richerman (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Nice thought, we can dream. J3Mrs (talk) 14:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- I couldn't live with that - it would mean that my beloved Buzzcocks etc would be gone :( Now if you want to shift that timescale to around when Wham! and other bilge hit the big time then I would have no objections :) Will it ever stop raining here? I'll get down to the cemetery when it does. - Sitush (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well punk's not really my thing but I suppose we could let them in - does this sound like room 101? Richerman (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'd far rather allow punk in than any of those bloody boy bands. Girl bands are of course a fish of an entirely colour; I'm told that some of them can even sing, although I can't say I've ever noticed. Fatuorum00:20, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'd far rather allow punk in than any of those bloody boy bands. Girl bands are of course a fish of an entirely colour; I'm told that some of them can even sing, although I can't say I've ever noticed.
- Well punk's not really my thing but I suppose we could let them in - does this sound like room 101? Richerman (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- I couldn't live with that - it would mean that my beloved Buzzcocks etc would be gone :( Now if you want to shift that timescale to around when Wham! and other bilge hit the big time then I would have no objections :) Will it ever stop raining here? I'll get down to the cemetery when it does. - Sitush (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Nice thought, we can dream. J3Mrs (talk) 14:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- Now there's a thought - no popular culture less han 40 years old, no articles on computer games, crappy films or TV programmes, no 'text speak' allowed - bliss! Richerman (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Oldipedia it is then. :-) J3Mrs (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well I don't get the state pension yet (hence still working) but I do get a works pension and I am eligible for a bus pass. Richerman (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just sent it but no problem. Mum indeed, i take it you're under 30.J3Mrs (talk) 21:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, scrub that, it works now. It must take a few days before access is allowed. Richerman (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- At your urging I did renew my Manchester library access (honest Mum!) and there is an autobiography of Horsefield in the newspaper archives. However, I can't access the ODNB until I call into a Manchester library branch to confirm my address. You can contact me by email via the 'email this user' facility - the entry for Buxton would be nice...... Richerman (talk) 21:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- You can get it free from the Manchester 24 Hour Library website, it's free and very easy. I applied online as I don't live in the area.J3Mrs (talk) 21:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Richard Buxton (botanist)
nominate ) 00:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Richard BuxtonHi Richerman, Great job on the Richard Buxton article! In the future, article titles should only be disambiguated with existing articles, not potential articles, per Wikipedia's disambiguation guidelines. I have retargeted the Sir Richard Buxton links. Happy editing, Neelix (talk) 11:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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Disambiguation link notificationHi. When you recently edited Transit of Venus, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page James Gregory (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC) Beatles infoboxThere is a Straw Poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 02:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for April 30Hi. When you recently edited Ordsall, Greater Manchester, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hermitage (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC) Transit of VenusYeah, I'll definitely take a looksee at both. I'm so very excited for the transit, and hoping to death there aren't clouds. :) Keilana|Parlez ici 01:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I have left some suggestions for you at User talk:Richerman/sandbox2. Dolphin (t) 12:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC) Transit of VenusHey Richerman, I hope you don't mind my presumption in butting in on User:Richerman/sandbox2; I followed the link on MF's talk page which I was reading cause I had nothing worse to do. Excellent article, by the way. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Fatuorum 17:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
For better or worse the article has now gone live as 01:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
HM the QueenThe article is "owned" by two people who cannot see the forest for the trees. I entered into very lengthy discussion, making points about the "balance" of the intro, over and over again, suggesting different angles. I did not insist on my own wording but simply requested a broader view of the Queen's reign that did not hone in, within the main biographical paragraph, so minutely on the Diana affair that even the fact that the Queen stayed inside the palace for a few days got priority over matters of real significance in her reign such Falklands War and Visit to the Pope. Iraq was just slightly more significant long term, than the fact that the dining hall at Windsor Castle was burnt out . The Blowing up of Uncle Dickie by the IRA was a little more significant than the fact that Andrew's wife split. The upshot is that the banqueting hall is fully restored, and back in business, but Iraq is still with us. Andrew's wife still resides under the same roof, but the Reunification of Ireland, which Lord Mountbatten supported, (unbeknowns to the IRA) hasn't happened yet! So what do we get in the intro? Fire at the castle, and Andrew's divorce! The introduction of the article is a serious embarrassment, and other people need to be sufficiently aware to see that! The point is, it is the biography of a living person. Amandajm (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
There needs to be (I have already recommended) a paragraph in the intro dealing with successes and another dealing with challenges. Some of the challenges of the "annus horribilis" were notable events. THe year wasn't a notable event of itself. Fire at Windsor needs to be in the body, not the Intro. "Challenges" have included:
"Successes" have included
The arguments put forward by the two main editors have sought to counter my case for each of these remarkable events. That's OK! I suggested they came up with a different list of notable events or achievements. I was told that it was "subjective". So, the Queen staying indoors for a few days after Diana died is major biographical event for the introduction, and the fact that the Queen, as head of the Church of England and Defender of the Faith, went to visit the pope, is not! I am not suggesting for a moment that the ongoing criticism and the republican movement don't have a place in the article. The fact that there has been criticism is Intro stuff. The minor detail that the tabloids pumped up, to sensationalise the Queen's negligence in not comforting her poor subjects and their teddy ears outside the palace, doesn't need to be in the introduction. It is tabloid stuff, not major event. The inclusion of such a detail, and the expansion of sacred Diana into three separate mentions in the intro is inappropriate. The statement that over the years there has been ongoing criticism of the monarchy needs to be made. The intro is seriously unbalanced. Amandajm (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
TOV blurbI know you're busy, and I'm sorry I have to disappear, but please have a look at Talk:Transit of Venus#Almost four which concerns a small change to the blurb which will appear on the main page in 12 hours. I can live with the change, but as I noted at the article talk, I think it should be improved since "3 1/2" is clumsy and is an unnecessary precision for the point being made. No need to reply, I just wanted to be sure you noticed the change before it goes live. Johnuniq (talk) 11:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC) Precious
DYK for Transit of Venus, 1639
Yngvadottir (talk) 16:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC) Transits of VenusI noticed some of the editing activity recently related to Transit of Venus, including the request you made for that article to run again, and the new article on the 1639 transit. I've read a bit about this topic in the past, and I was wondering if you had plans to do articles on the 1761, 1769, 1874 and 1882 transits? Some of those would have enough for articles, the 1874 one in particular saw several expeditions planned and carried out, some not mentioned in the main article. I was thinking of drafting or starting one or other of those articles, but don't want to step on any toes if you have plans to do this. Also, it may be too late now (with only 17 days left), but one idea might have been to get one of the specific transit year articles through FAC and featured on 6 June, rather than the previously featured article. Not sure if Raul will agree to your request, but if he does, I think it will be only the second time this has happened (I think a US president got a second appearance in an election-day double feature). Carcharoth (talk) 03:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
(outdent) OK. I created Transit of Venus, 1874. Hopefully you and/or Keilana (or anyone else who finds the article) can help improve that. There will be lots more, including various external links, but that's all I have time for right now. I will add references later today if no-one else has done so (it will likely get tagged for that anyway at some point). Carcharoth (talk ) 08:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
From Venus
Aw, shucks! and you made me a barnstar all of my own. Thank you kindly sir. Richerman (talk) 18:30, 9 June 2012 (UTC) A barnstar for you!
Well thank you. 250,000 hits (so far) for a 8 words on the main page was better than I thought. Richerman (talk) 18:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
HorsefieldI've been fiddling around with the John Horsefield article. Do you think it is worth me nominating it as a GA ? Aside from the recent listing of his tomb, there appears to be little more that can be said using sources that are easily accessible. At some point I will make a trip to Central Library but I doubt very much that there will be anything significant to add. - Sitush (talk) 10:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
While carrying out a search of "James Percival Botanist" in the Guardian and Observer archives on the Manchester 24 hour library page I came across a couple of factoids about Horsefield. In the first article that comes up called "Another old Lancashire botanist" it says he had a son called William who was a botanist and lancashire dialect poet. In one of the other articles called 'Manchester Botanists Association' it says William (who'd just died in 1883) was a 'letter carrier' in Whitefield, which I presume means he was a postman. Richerman (talk) 19:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Passed the GAN]. Thanks to all of your for your guidance and your edits etc. It is much appreciated and, as I say in the wrap up, these stories need to be told. - Sitush (talk) 23:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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