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"make a little more precise in intro" makes the intro longer again by duplicating more information from the already linked set-builder notation. Besides, I think the example is enough and readers who're unfamiliar with it and don't want to check it are given a way to read the list comprehension notation anyway.

The article earlier stated that set comprehension was only the notation that S was that particular set (where it isn't, it's only a particular case); I've just made it clear that this is only a particular case.

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If we want to discuss the relation between list comprehension and set-builder notation more, a section on their problems might be in place. That is, in the mathematical notation you sometimes leave the base sets out and meet Russel's paradox, in programming you always need the list to base on, you can handle finite and countably infinite sets but you can't use the notation to filter an infinite set into a finite set. --TuukkaH 13:05, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't think that would really be necessary, though it wouldn't detract from the article.

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Thanks for updating the page after my comments. Nice work! 203.52.70.253 03:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)LeonB (http://secretGeek.net)[reply]

Hey, thanks for your comment (regarding the

Replied again on my talk page. Thanks, --Torgo 22:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but to my understanding we don't "award" undisambiguated article status to one entity or the other when there are two viable articles with the same title. Neither are exactly household words. Jgm 19:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If one is secondary then the other must be primary. This kind of "award" is explained in the guidelines at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary topic: The topic needn't be household, but it needs to have majority of wikilinks and editor consensus. There was a consensus at least until ZigZag (magazine) was created ;-) and I haven't heard from its editor(s). --TuukkaH 20:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Just wanted to welcome you to WikiProject Computer science. I've seen your name pop up in the histories of various articles that I've looked at and/or edited, and I've been wondering when you would get around to joining the CS project :-) Glad to have you onboard. --Allan McInnes (talk) 22:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! While there are a lot of contributors on computer science articles, they come from widely different fields and I concluded the WikiProject is the best way to work for coherent collaboration. I'm looking forward to this. --TuukkaH 08:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. Let me apologize for misspelling pseudo, as I'm sure I will do throughout this response.
2. There are a number of different ways pseudo-TTYs are used. The one you referenced is the traditional BSD method. There are UNIX98 psuedo-TTYs, which are used by at least Linux. There are also the virtual consoles—which are only available on systems with a text display mode (like the IBM PC) or a graphical frame-buffer (most modern systems). There are pseudo-TTYs allocated by the rlogin and ssh daemons for their clients. There are hard TTYs, which correspond to physical devices. The problem is that, for every platform, there is a different naming scheme for all of these devices. The /dev/ttyN and /dev/pty/... methods are used on Linux, but the latter only if UNIX98 pty support is included in the kernel.
3. This is perhaps the most important point. /dev/null, /dev/random, and /dev/zero—in addition to being implemented with the same names on every Unix-like system—don't actually correspond to anything. The pseudo-TTYs on the other hand do correspond to something—they take input from an application, display it, and return output back, and display that. They are not true TTYs, hence the name pseudo-TTY, but they are not exactly pseudo-devices, either. Their inclusion complicates the simple definition—it would be more prudent to create a whole new section for psuedo-TTYs (instead of lumping them together with psuedo-devices), however they may simply be beyond the scope of the article altogether.

Hope that explains my reasoning, flawed or otherwise.—Kbolino 23:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose we can find a solution. I don't know if there's a good definition of pseudo-device, I assumed the one given in our article. Googling for pseudodevice or pseudo-device returns sources that define it either as a device that isn't associated with hardware or one that doesn't communicate with hardware directly. Pseudo-terminals are widely used as an example of pseudo-device. If you think about it, even /dev/null and /dev/random correspond to physical hardware somehow. We could define that "pseudo-devices are not directly associated with a physical device".

I think we should include pseudo-terminals in the article. The naming issue can be approached in several ways: We can use the original or most common names, and trust that readers are able to take them as examples and find the actual names on their systems. We can talk about pseudo-terminals without giving the file names as their names are hardly important. If UNIX98 includes some names, I'd go with them. But if we leave pseudo-terminals out completely, we are giving degenerate examples. --TuukkaH 10:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While reading your response, a couple things came into my mind. The first is that /dev/random is often implemented using a hardware PRNG, or is taken from an entropy pool composed of electronic noise produced by hardware. The bit bucket is sometimes implemented at the hardware level (though this is uncommon nowadays). So the current definition of pseudo-devices is inadequate and possibly inaccurate (considering your points and this). I do feel, however, that /dev/null, /dev/random, and /dev/zero are distinctly different from the psuedo TTYs and should be treated as such. I will try to come up with an updated definition—any help is more than appreciated.—Kbolino 23:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would love to, but I don't think I've understood your concerns yet. Basicly, pseudo-device isn't a well-defined concept but a fuzzy one? I don't think you can implement /dev/null in hardware really :-) But /dev/random I can understand. One nice thing in Wikipedia is that we don't need to give a universal definition, we are instead expected to account for any significant points-of-view. I can understand that hard TTYs don't belong here, but what was the problem with pseudo-TTYs? As far as I can tell, there's one definition (just with several file names), and it involves only software and no physical device at all. --TuukkaH 07:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definite brainfart there. Yeah, /dev/null has never been implemented in hardware. I was confusing it with the loopback interface. I don't know how to convey my reasoning on this (which is, I admit, the archetypical sign that I'm wrong), but I just feel that the pseudo-ttys are different from the other pseudo-devices. You're right, they are implemented largely in software, but to some extent so are block devices (with buffered and scheduled I/O). They're also not something you'd normally pipe data into/out of (you could redirect the error stream to a separate terminal if you had two open, for example). They just don't function in the same way. Data written to and from them goes somewhere—whether it's the VGA text-mode console or a remotely-connected telnet/rlogin/ssh terminal. It is rendered and printed on a screen. The standard pseudo-devices just don't do that—there's no processing other than I/O. I don't know; if I still haven't made a valid point, just go ahead and put them in the article.—Kbolino 19:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks buddy...for ur prompt response. Sorry i forgot to mention i need help on refining the atricle Atmospheric water generator so that it can meet wiki standards. All the work is done just help me refine the language so tht it doesnt appear as an advertisement...atleast tht is said by George.

Regards, Ashvidia 04:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's not actually that simple to make a proper Wikipedia article. You should find proper references in books and scientific journals etc., be neutral and include all significant points-of-view, and use the typical encyclopedic article structure. This would be difficult for me as I know little about atmospheric water generators, the situations where they are used, the physics of their operation. I'm sure you have what is needed on that side. I went over the article quickly and tried to make it look more like other Wikipedia articles in structure: short introduction which tells everything important, and then neutral sections that tell more and contain links to even further information. You should also get images from the competing manufacturers. Hope this helps! --TuukkaH 06:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help with the underlining of links.

--The Mad Bomber 20:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all, it was very easy to help this time when I'd personally had the same problem. --TuukkaH 21:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your correction. This is not important part of story. Jolla has become a company name after Steven Elop has caused situation when memo saying "Symbian is the burning platform only" has become publicly known. So "Jolla" is a kind of metaphore of escape from "the burning platform", here is about burning oil&gas platform on the sea. That was the context I was meaning. There was a source of this (Jolla) but I've asssumed this is not anything important and haven't noted. Thank you for your correction. Ocexyz (talk) 11:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or not. I made the correction in the introduction as Jolla have been making the same correction themselves.[1] [2] [3] Perhaps the longer explanation of the name in relation to the "burning platform" could go in a new subsection Name under History? Anyway, thanks for starting and building the Jolla article, and hope to keep collaborating! --TuukkaH (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the discussion you filled: "Secondary sources and Jolla itself say "Jolla OS is based on MeeGo". Jolla itself also says "Jolla OS is based on Mer". " - but his is not true, Jolla itself says it is "MeeGo based and using Mer core" what is quite important as Mer is not a Linux distro but a core distro - and among other details it is meritum of this discussion. See here for confirmation http://merproject.org/, "MeeGo based" is in enough many sources I think. Jolla has never declared "Mer based" only use or base with "Mer core" what normally would be totally unimportant but here makes huuuge difference. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocexyz (talk • contribs) 13:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Selfedit: I am sorry I have written For me it is OK. thx and night, will be put into article by Monday night, but not tomorrow. It was great pleasure to meet you! :)

WP:SOURCES. Dark Almöhi claims the Mer has the text console so this is Linux operating system full distribution. But no normal customer would be able to make any single call or SMS check having only Linux text console with prompt, so s/he would have to call libraries one by one and define a phone number as a parameter for libraries, etc. etc. So we can assume we have agreed the first part but the last part have not been solved. Sorry, but I see no other solution, to avoid future problems. Ocexyz (talk) 09:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC) Ocexyz (talk) 10:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply

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