Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashleigh Townsend

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The result was no consensus. This is quite a tricky close, yes initially a technical NFOOTY pass, but questionable GNG at best.

However, it seems that during the discussion consensus elsewhere regarding the

level of professionalism
in the main league in which the player played decided that it was not fully professional.

There's an argument that this should be closed as delete as it now seems like both an NFOOTY and GNG failure. However, given the change of consensus midway through this AfD, I wonder whether some editors' comments may have been presented differently had the original rationale been fails NFOOTY, fails GNG. It seems preseumptive of a closing admin to assume they would have not.

In this instance it seems better, given that this discussion, and others, will probably shape a wider consensus, for this discussion to be closed as no consensus, but without this precluding a renomination with an updated rationale. This seems especially relevent given the majority of the keep votes were meets NFOOTY-based rather than attempting to present sources showing GNG. Fenix down (talk) 15:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ashleigh Townsend

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Our article says he played 39

WP:GNG. Levivich 17:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
]

Update: I have updated the nomination to reflect that this article no longer meets
WP:FPL per the note below. Levivich 18:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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  • Keep The article clearly passes the criteria of notability as stated in the Football/Fully professional leagues list. Shotgun pete 8:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep – clearly meets
    WP:NFOOTY pass. 21.colinthompson (talk) 22:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Keep, per reasoning above. /Julle (talk) 00:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. nom consulted me prior to nomination. Merits of NFOOTY here are somewhat dubious as while USL Division Two was nominally professional, many players were semi-professionals (holding additional jobs). According to www.soccer-elite.co.uk - he has since moved to on training for soccer-elite coupled with some semi-pro play. Regardless, NFOOTY merely creates a presumption of notability - a presumption that sources should exist. In this particular case - as evident in a very simple google search - there is no SIGCOV. As the presumption of GNG is being challenged here, !votes who assert NFOOTY without providing supporting sources (which should be quite easy to locate - English speaking country, most sources from this time period are available online) - should be disregarded. Icewhiz (talk) 06:35, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - meets
    WP:NFOOTBALL by some way; needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 07:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Note: per consensus in
    WP:FPL essay, as it was not fully-professional. This should affect !voting based on play in USL D2. Icewhiz (talk) 07:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please see the comment by Icewhiz and updated nomination by Levivich. Further discussion may be needed as to whether he does indeed meet NFOOTY (and why), not to mention GNG.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 09:17, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Given the change in status for the USL Second Division, how does he meet
WP:NFOOTY? Papaursa (talk) 23:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
talk) 08:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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