Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cheuk Mei Mei

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was no consensus. The consensus is clearly against deletion, but there is no consensus whether to keep the article as it is, about Cheuk Mei Mei, or to change its focus, so that the page is specifically about her trial. Salvio giuliano 09:05, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cheuk Mei Mei

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As per other similar recent AfDs. Fails

WP:ONEVENT applies. LibStar (talk) 04:02, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Ok your call Elinruby (talk) 08:24, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:48, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep: notable for being the first foreign woman convicted of a drug offence in Singapore to be hanged, also legal arguments presented at trial were quite unique — Preceding unsigned comment added by WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk • contribs) 16:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

struck out duplicate !vote. LibStar (talk) 01:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
sorry thought i had a new vote 13:36, 8 February 2023 (UTC) WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 13:36, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 10:24, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    • Keep and rename. I feel that there could be a better improvement in the writing even though I do agree with the reasons for deletion, and the title itself should be renamed because there was less info about the early life of the criminal in general. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 07:58, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep.
    On WP:PERP
    Regarding
    WP:PERP
    On WP:ONEVENT
    Regarding
    WP:ONEVENT
    , she played a major role in the event, the notability of the event centres around her, as the first woman to be executed for drug smuggling.
    In Summary
    Basically, this article meets
    WP:GNG and I don't see any of the guidelines about biographies or crimes directing us to delete it, they could arguably guide us to make it into an event article, but I'd disagree with that while acknowledging that is open to interpretation. This seems like a clear keep. CT55555(talk) 14:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Keep, but only as NEVENT, perhaps Arrest and execution of Cheuk Mei Mei. An article named List of people executed in Singapore would make a lot of sense. The event is well-documented by RS in the article. There's no assertion made or documented the subject would have been notable unless they were the "first woman convicted of a drug offence in Singapore to be executed." BusterD (talk) 05:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: If your proposed event article title itself notes there are two events, an arrest and an execution, could that be an indicator of notability for more than one event, therefore justifying a biographical article? CT55555(talk) 05:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you're splitting hairs here, CT55555, and I disagree with your assessment above. This article in no way resembles a biography, even after improvement; it details an event. I'm perfectly fine with Trial of Cheuk Mei Mei, since that's where the sourcing details the subject. I'm sure Singapore was processing thousands of arrests and trials each day, but apparently not very many executions. There's no significance in the arrest or trial, but adding "Arrest and..." or "Trial and..." sounds more inclusive of the backstory, since the sources don't directly detail the execution. The only assertion of notability is the unprecedented execution event, as reflected in the presented sourcing. If she weren't executed, there'd be only routine local trial sources to utilize, and I'd be asserting delete. As a human subject, there's way insufficient sources to keep, since nothing directly details her life, just her arrest, trial, and execution, which I regard a single extended life event. For my part, I'd prefer an entry on List of people executed in Singapore. BusterD (talk) 06:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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