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Umm Fahad

Umm Fahad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A Iraqi TikTok personality who was recently shot. Seems to lack any notability or sources while alive, a violation of

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• Proposal I'd support a move to Death of Umm Fahad.Jeanette Tu Novia Martin (?) 22:05, 27 April, 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment Wouldn't the title Murder of Umm Fahad be more accurate? Like Murder of John Lennon? Brudelman (talk) 23:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment @BlakeIsHereStudios: Has someone consulted possible sources in Arabic? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't usually think Internet "personalities" are worth the time of day. However, she seems noteworthy as it further highlights the ludicrous things that people will fall foul of the morality police in the middle east.Salty1984 (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a result of "Morality Police" - as Iraq doesn't have an official designated police force. Iran on the other hand, yes. The Ghashd Ershad (Morality Police) exist there, but don't shoot people (albeit they do harass people). This woman was killed by some lunatic fanatic by the looks of things, nothing related to morality police. Just thought I would clarify that. Ali313korosh (talk) 01:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whistleblowers Australia

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Changeworld1984 (talk) 14:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elias Huizar

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A defamatory article based on

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• Speedy Delete/Convert - I feel like the shooter himself doesn't meet notability guidelines, but the event does, I feel like the article should be converted into something similar to 2014 Isla Vista killings, where the event itself is published, but not focused on the perp. Gonzafer001 (talk) 21:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That's plausible Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I concur, we should move the page to focus less on the perp, and more on the actual story. Gonzafer001 (talk) 03:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy delete -
  WP:BLP. Suspected murderer on the run, not yet captured by authorities. Also, the image of the suspect is not licensed for our use. — Maile (talk) 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Speedy delete G10/A7.Mccapra (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Not a speedy. The copyrighted image can be removed. This article is not "entirely negative in tone and unsourced." (emphasis mine). It may be entirely inappropriate for Wikipedia, but CNN has covered it, so it's unreasonable to argue it's A7. Jclemens (talk) 22:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I've removed the speedy tag and added a link to the CNN coverage. That doesn't mean I think this should be kept: it means I don't think any of our speedy deletion criteria apply. Jclemens (talk) 03:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete/speedy delete per
  WP:NOTNEWS LegalSmeagolian (talk) 00:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Speedy keep - this neither is
  WP:GNG based on the substantial news coverage. Red Slash 01:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  The main source is a self-described zine that basically makes a bunch of allegations on a non-convicted individual. That's what I mean by OR. Lettlre (talk) 17:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete To the above user, this article and its tone is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia (
  WP:PERP; as the subject has been caught there's no use for the article as-is currently. The picture has been removed due to a poor licensing rationale and as the image involves children in no way involved with the subject or the story, and a BLPBALANCE-violating title in itself. Nate • (chatter) 02:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Speedy delete as a
  WP:BLP violation. The article is almost completely unsourced contentious claims about a living person. Jfire (talk) 02:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

The BLP issues have been resolved, but this still fails

WP:SUSTAINED. Jfire (talk) 04:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

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It is completely sourced. Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This is all over the news in the Northwest. He was tracked down and committed suicide. It's being presented on the news as factual including interviews with people he worked with. He isn't a living person but a recently deceased person so I realize BLP still applies. The name of the minor victim has not been included here or mentioned in the news but they spoke with her family. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Rename to
  WP:BLP1E (although he is dead it is still relevant).LonelyBoy2012 (talk) 07:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

2013 Cotabato City bombing

2013 Cotabato City bombing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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All the sources provided are from time of event. Almost 11 years after, no lasting impact or coverage to meet

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Merge to List of terrorist incidents in the Philippines#2013. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to
  WP:ATD. --Lenticel ^(talk) 20:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Camp Evangelista shooting

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All the sources provided are from time of event. No lasting impact or coverage to meet

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Merge to the location it occurred in its own section at Camp Evangelista. Its closest claim to notability is making the army reevaluate some of their practices. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Northrup

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The officer has never been notable. There was no coverage of him until his death. All coverage is related to his death and related trial. Biographical sources are essentially obituaries. No reporter is doing any serious investigation into his life before his last day, nor should they, since he was a private person. The trial has had lots of coverage, but we're not a news outlet. While tragic, its not historic. --Rob (talk) 01:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If he's not notable, well, I think his death is. No? What if the article's name is changed to "Death of Jeffrey Northrup"? - EclecticEnnui (talk) 06:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think a name change of the article would be most fair. The relevant information could be retained while respecting the private life of officer Northrup. 142.126.191.237 (talk) 07:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sounds good. Should we wait and see if other users are gonna give their opinion? - EclecticEnnui (talk) 21:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DELETE. What was tragic was (a) Northrup's stupidity in getting killed, and (b) the fact that an innocent person had his life ruined for three years while the state tried to prove an unprovable case of first degree murder. This article should be deleted and a new one about this whole case created. --24.80.199.58 (talk) 06:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Crown v Umar Zameer, assuming the case was called that. Connor Behan (talk) 15:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but rename. The story here is not the death of the officer, which is tragic, but the conduct of the Toronto Police Service (including possible collusion to commit perjury to lock away an innocent man), that has prompted an investigation. Coverage has gone far beyond the typical murder case. See [1] [2][3]. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep but rename: The story is about police undercover procedures, police bias, conflicts between police officer testimony and expert testimony, weakness in the prosecution evidence and prosecutor bias. Perhaps the article title should be "Murder trial of Umar Zameer"; there are several Wikipedia articles prefixed by "Murder trial of". TheTrolleyPole (talk) 16:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm fine if somebody wishes to close this early as keep except for the article body, subject matter, and all of the original content which is the clear consensus above. I withdraw (I don't know how to close it myself). --Rob (talk) 00:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Dera Ismail Khan bombing

2017 Dera Ismail Khan bombing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The 4 sources are from the time of event. No lasting coverage or impact to meet

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This source explicitly describes it as terrorism, and all others generally refer to it along those lines, referencing attacks and militancy and whatnot. Hence, merge (cut down version) to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2017. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge or delete: per nom; NOTNEWS.
  Queen of ♡ | speak 03:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Killing of Dexter Reed

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Non notable event Jax 0677 (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This has been widely reported in reliable sources. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply -
    WP:NOTNEWS. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]

"Editors are encouraged...to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events", per

WP:NOTNEWS. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete. A brief burst of news coverage is not sufficient to establish notability. Wikipedia is not a database of murders or other news stories. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The surge of coverage occurred weeks after the event. There are sources that analyse the event as well. And there are still sources published as recently as 2 hours ago, definitely sustained coverage. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red pilled media has been all over this because the left has been asking the same stupid question: "how can police justify nearly 100 shots, when all Reed did was empty his gun at a cop first?" Both sides will milk this for a long time. (Grady Judd said, "That's all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more".) Magnolia677 (talk) 23:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Plenty of sources. Would meet
  WP:GNG. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep Seems to be widely reported. Inexpiable (talk) 15:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: per WE&H; sources are still coming in.
  Queen of ♡ | speak 03:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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