Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dale Earnhardt: Controversy over the cause(s) of his death

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Goes into too much detail on a subject not deserving of its own article. A merge back into Dale Earnhardt was requested, but I feel that adding this much about this topic would unbalance that article. Dale Earnhardt already addresses the topic and, I would say, sufficiently. Recury 16:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC) The new article looks much better, nomination withdrawn. Recury 14:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral, leaning toward delete. I added a source about this controversy into the Dale Earnhardt article after seeing this, and now I think it's got roughly enough there. Editors should consider merging any points that would pass the hundred-year test, not just Wikinews-type content, to the parent article. I've mentioned this AfD on the WikiProject NASCAR talk page. Barno 17:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, I probably should have mentioned it there myself. Recury 18:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changed vote after Agne27's merge of content. Endorse history merge of the two AfD'd articles to Death of Dale Earnhardt. Parent article is being edited to trim death-related material and point to the new beakout article. Barno 14:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. I respectfully disagree with Recury's assessment that the topic is well covered in the main article. Most of this article is encyclopedic IMHO. I would not call the disagreements minor, especially to Simpson Race Products. There was very much controversy over many months in my opinion (contrary to Dhartung's opinion). Keeping it in its own article serves to keep those ugly trivia sections out of Earnhardt's main article. Maybe it will help lessen the vandalism of that page too. This article can be refered to by the
  Simpson Race Products articles. This article needs to have references added if it survives AfD, and I recently added some at Bill_Simpson#Earnhardt_controversy that would work. Royalbroil ^T : C 21:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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  • I would also support the proposed merge into Death of Dale Earnhardt as a reasonable compromise. My primary concern is to not see Earnhardt main article dominated by the controversies. There is enough to encyclopedic material about the events after his death to warrant its own article in my opinion. Royalbroil ^T : C 02:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • change to Delete. The new Death of Dale Earnhardt article is very well written and covers both articles completely. Kudos to Agnes for such an excellent article! The old articles are no longer needed. I have left a message for Recury because I'm puzzled why he would stop this nomination when the deletion appears imminent now. Royalbroil ^T : C 19:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, IIRC, this was split from the main Dale Earnhardt article in order to keep the focus of the latter article on Earnhardt himself. — BrotherFlounder 22:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per BrotherFlounder. I would recommend changing the title to Controversy over the cause(s) of Dale Earnhardt's death or Dale Earnhardt cause of death controversy, to better fit naming conventions. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 22:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Death of Dale Earnhardt per Agne and Dhartung. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 19:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete How many articles do we need just forking away from his death? Is it not enough that lots of focus is already put on his death in his own article? Wikipedia is not Access Hollywood or Crime Library or American Justice, we don't need minutely, morbidly detailed accounts like this just because some people find it interesting.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 23:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep (See below) but I think a more appropriate splinter article would be Death of Dale Earnhardt and include details of both the controversy but also the constructive changes that Nascar did in the aftermath. IF written to their full potential such details would be overbearing in the main Earnhardt article. Agne 23:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change vote to move to Death of Dale Earnhardt per Agne, inclusive of the autopsy photos article and detailed information on the crash etc. rather than the overused label "controversy". --Dhartung | Talk 05:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Update Since we essentially have three articles involved (This, the main Dale Earnhardt, and the autopsy photos), I was
  bold and went ahead and created the Death of Dale Earnhardt with relevant text from those three articles. I did a little content editing to try and address the OR and POV concerns. I guess the best route now would be to Merge for the histories since the content work has already been done. Agne 13:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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