Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evelyn Mase

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The result was keep. LFaraone 20:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Evelyn Mase

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Not independently notable per

WP:NOTINHERITED. Her only "claim to fame" is that she was married to Nelson Mandela. Their marriage ended before Mandela became notable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: As the creator of the page, I really have to disagree. The assertion that her marriage was her only claim to fame is simply erroneous. She was not merely the wife of
    Jackie Kennedy. Her relationship with Mandela and with her children would prove to be a significant influence on them as they grew up and achieved their own success. Throughout the 1950s, she was also associated with a number of other highly significant figures in the anti-apartheid struggle, such as Walter and Albertina Sisulu; she was therefore at the heart of the action at a very important part of history. Besides, many other sources identify her as being notable. She is discussed in all of the biographies devoted to Mandela, and also made various appearences in the South African media throughout her life, during which she became a voal critic of Mandela. On her death in 2004, international news outlets like The Guardian published her obituary, with her funeral being reported on far and wide, including in the China Daily and the Daily Mail. You only need to type her name into Google to look at the extensive number of references that pop up. Collectively, this illustrates that she was a significant figure in modern South African history, and is undoubtedly worthy of having a Wikipedia article of her own. Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:06, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment - I'm not sure Mase can be said to have independent notability based on that single interview where she criticized Mandela after his prison release, and the China Daily coverage I see isn't so much an obituary as it is coverage of Mandela's reaction to her death (Mandela attends first wife's funeral). I may just be missing the obit in question, though. Still, Nelson Mandela is an article that's already packed to the gills; it's not practical to add more information about Mase to it, even though there's plenty of secondary sources that discuss this relationship in detail. What if this article was simply restructured or reimagined as a subarticle of Nelson Mandela--would that be a possibility here? There doesn't seem to be a dispute that many secondary sources discuss Evelyn Mase in detail, and there's no other logical place to put this detail. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no independent notability,
    WP:NOTINHERITED. ukexpat (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC). She has received coverage in sources only because she was Mandela's ex-wife. She is not notable for any reason in her own right.--ukexpat (talk) 13:43, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Keep per
    WP:PAGEDECIDE. - "Independent notability" is an ill-defined concept, and "notinherited" is an argument to avoid. What matters is that the person has enough direct coverage in sources to write an article. Diego (talk) 21:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep per User:Midnightblueowl. For pete's sake, there's a whole article on Cynthia Lennon, who is non-notable other than the fact that she married John Lennon and thus was written about in the context of being married to him. Same situation here. ... discospinster talk 22:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: might I also add to that such figures as
    Ekaterina Svanidze, and Eva Braun... all the female spouses of culturally or politically influential men who arguably did nothing in themselves to warrant "notability". If we're going to delete Evelyn Mase then we should probably delete that lot too... Midnightblueowl (talk) 01:03, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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