Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hap Palmer

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The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 18:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Possibly redirect to Baby Songs, but there is zero coverage in RS out there for this children's entertainer - and none in the article, either. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:28, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, Education, and United States of America. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:28, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: NN Musician. Fails
  WP:NMUSICIAN. UtherSRG (talk) 10:59, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete: Fails
  WP:SIGCOV. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Speedy and Strong Keep Article content may not establish notability, but the artist was exceptionally popular in earlier days, Most coverage for the artist is from an era before the internet was around, so lack of readily available sources is inevitable....as WP policy states "Notability is not temporary"

Evidence of notability:

• 1. Almost a thousand listings in
  Worldcat
  with some of his individual albums being in the collections of hundreds of libraries. (we have articles on here for musicians :who don't come close to this figure)
• 2. His recordings part of the Smithsonian Folkways collection. I can't think of a much larger prestige for an artist to have their work sold by the United States' national museum.

Article obviously could use some cleanup, but it is clearly salvageable.--T1980 (talk) 21:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Then those references
  need to be found. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Note: T1980's comment is entirely based on an
  WP:Argument to avoid in deletion discussions as UtherSRG alluded to. Toddst1 (talk) 13:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Delete Lacks in-depth coverage to meet
  WP:NBIO. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Comment Allmusic have a biography of Palmer - I have added the reference to the article; this should count as an independent reliable source with sig cov. When I have time I will look for more.ResonantDis_tortion 07:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I've added more citations to reliable sources including from
  LA Times. ResonantDis_tortion 08:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  There are numerous reviews of Palmers work in the

  WP:SINGER#1.ResonantDis_tortion 14:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Furthermore the

  WP:SINGER#5 which requires Has released two or more albums on a major record label. ResonantDis_tortion 07:59, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Delete: The
  WP:NMUSICIAN. Toddst1 (talk) 13:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep as the AllMusic entry confirms the winning of at least one notable award and the LA Times article is significant content, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 01:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Created a body of work that is noted by childhood educators (one e.g. Gilbert, A. G. (2015). Creative Dance for All Ages. United Kingdom: Human Kinetics.) so passes
  WP:ANYBIO criterion 1. CT55555(talk) 17:15, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Question: If he is so noted, why is Gilbert's book not a reference to the article? What is the note? Toddst1 (talk) 01:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you asking me why nobody has yet added the reference to the article? If so, then I cannot speak on behalf of others, or spectate about their priorities during their volunteer work. If you want to read what is said, check out google books. CT55555(talk) 01:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per GNG. In addition to the LA Times article, there are two book authors who assert notability:

• Jill Jarlow in All Ears (Viking, 1991) called him one of America's most prolific children's song writers, who makes innovative and award-winning recordings.^[1]
• Sonia Taitz in Mothering Heights (William Morrow, 1992) said he is "famous for his [song] videos".^[2]