Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I am sorry for my country

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The result was keep. The name of the article can be further discussed on the article talk page. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry for my country

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POVFORK. No indication this speech is more notable than others. The "title" is apparently an invention of the article's author. Written entirely non-neutrally, with "commentary" presenting Duterte's claims as facts in Wikipedia's voice. Names public figures as being drug offenders.

• Delete not significant enough to justify a seperate article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:10, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep The article passes the
  Forbes, Manila Bulletin, etc. They're all cited in the article. The title could be renamed tho but the specific line in the speech was specifically highlighted in the Rappler source.1.--RioHondo (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep per
  WP:NOTE. The speech, including the 'narco-list', have been covered in many reliable sources, like User:RioHondo stated, it has received "news followup", and that the source coverage is "in-depth". ~Manila's PogingJuan 15:26, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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• Comment This speech received less media coverage than many others by the same individual - see
  zzz (talk) 00:25, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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I dont think having "less coverage" than other topics is a criteria under

WP:IDONTLIKEIT.--RioHondo (talk) 01:45, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep as what RioHondo stated, this article recieved multiple credible sources from local news websites. - Supergabbyshoe
• Comment - At the very least, I hope we can agree on a better title than
  Rodrigo Duterte speech during a wake visit to killed-in-action NavForEastMin soldiers, August 2016. GAB^gab 16:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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The replacement title again demonstrates the level of notability. If a Donald Trump supporter wrote a pro-Trump article about a speech at one of his rallies or press conferences, it would quickly be deleted. This is no different. In both cases, their speeches frequently get reported in "multiple credible sources".

zzz (talk) 04:32, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply

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But we have based it on

User:Signedzzz, we can put in the "Reactions" section that these people identified by the President denies any involvement in drugs^[1][2] and other sources I can't tag because of busy school works and other news follow-ups regarding the after-shock of the speech. ~Manila's PogingJuan 07:20, 16 October 2016 (UTC) PS: As I've said, I'm currently busy of school works, due to the incoming semestral break and second quarter exams that I can't contribute much now including the sources I've tagged, so please can someone make a contribution out of it. Regards![reply

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And wait! You compare Trump's speech to Duterte's ones, like someone anti- who keeps comparing Trump to Duterte? And excuses, what makes this article a pro- one? By the way, this one has a sense, especially he is "too much", in my opinion, focusing on

User:Signedzzz, is, therefore, debunked. ~Manila's PogingJuan 07:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply

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And to

Official Gazette of the Republic of the Philippines), which is the official site of the Executive Government of the Philippines, where Duterte, the head of state, is also the head of this government. While we can suggest better title as you have said, I also suggest "Rodrigo Duterte speech naming alleged drug personalities, August 2016", as it was the focus of the speech, as reported by reliable sources, the media. ~Manila's PogingJuan 07:45, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Again, the multiple sources prove the notability of the topic. But if it is just an article title dispute, you are free to start a WP:RM discussion. Anyway, Trump is just a presidential candidate, this is a speech by a head of state so its a weak comparison. Thanks for the link to Wikisource though

WP:COMMONNAME, I would agree with your alternative title, based on sources cited in the article.--RioHondo (talk) 13:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep Article passes
  talk 06:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep Article passes
  WP:GNG. I also suggest to rename it base on what the government use as title of the speech. Nickrds09 ^{(Talk to me)} 07:56, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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The current title is actually based on the published speech of

Official Gazette of the Republic of the Philippines, which is President Rodrigo Roa Duterte’s Speech During a Wake Visit To Killed-In-Action Soldiers. ~Manila's PogingJuan 16:11, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply

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But I believe that there is 'another' fitting and proper title for this article. ~Manila's PogingJuan 16:13, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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