Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramit Sethi (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep‎ . Early concerns appear to have been refuted Star Mississippi 01:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ramit Sethi

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- Article written like an advertisement

- Nearly all claims are unsourced or fail verification

- Blogger has strong incentives to create an internet presence for selling personal finance advice

- Blogger has written for finance-related publications, but these are known for allowing authors to purchase articles: Motley Fool, CNBC Money, Forbes

- Wedding in a newspaper does not qualify as notability; newspapers weddings are often chosen for human interest and not the notability of the couple DenverCoder9 (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Very promo. Subject is good at talking about things in media, but no sources discuss him. One of many "experts" in the field of getting rich. Oaktree b (talk) 03:13, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't we just delete everyone. Wikipedia has tons of misinformation on the web site. Everyone has to find something wrong with everything. Just take Wikipedia down then there will never be anymore controversy. I have looked up multiple things which I knew a little bit about (don't ask what it was because I don't remember) and the info I knew was correct was not. I say take the whole web site down for misinformation. Lets add shut the freeways down because of the bill boards. Is the freeway driving, not for putting out advertising. So what if he is using a platform. Maybe you're just jealous!!!! 98.167.122.201 (talk) 23:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Netflix just released a whole series "How to get rich" with him as host. By 'rich', he doesn't mean wealth but a rich experience in life with proper importance given to money. He seems well-qualified. 173.2.25.98 (talk) 01:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He should be deleted. He is giving investment advice with no license, certification, education, and/or expertise.. He stuck on this lady firing her FP and having her do it her self. Literally the worse advice. 141.191.64.6 (talk) 03:20, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He advised firing the FP because the FP was charging 1% which is ridiculously high. He did talk about FP being helpful if it's a flat fee or hourly. I agree with that. 173.2.25.243 (talk) 02:47, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this particular article given the subject does not meet WP:N MaxnaCarta (talk) 01:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject
.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. 2023 sources about him after his Netflix show was released:
  1. Silverman, Sam (2023-04-18). "'I Teach People How to Live Their Rich Life:' Finance Expert Ramit Sethi Gets a Netflix Show". Entrepreneur. Archived from the original on 2023-04-27. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
    The article notes: "The show features Sethi on a six-week journey advising people in the U.S. including New York and California who are struggling to manage their finances with his approach to paying off debt, saving, and budgeting. ... Ramit Sethi grew up in a middle-class family in California. His journey to financial literally began when he devised a plan to apply to more than 60 scholarships so he could attend undergrad and grad school at Stanford University, according to his website."
  2. Morris, Lauren (2023-04-19). "Who is Ramit Sethi? Everything to know about How to Get Rich star". Radio Times. Archived from the original on 2023-04-27. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
    The article notes: "Brand new on Netflix this week is How to Get Rich – an eight-part docuseries that does exactly what it says on the tin. Hosted by finance expert and author Ramit Sethi, the series follows the entrepreneur as he travels across the US, helping those in need of financial advice to achieve "their richest lives". While the series covers everything from debt and saving for retirement to multi-level marketing schemes, you may be wondering who exactly Ramit Sethi is – and we're here to fill you in."
2. Zuckerman, Sam (2007-11-04). "Blogger advises young adults on financial strategies". San Francisco Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2022-12-01. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
  The article notes: "Ramit Sethi is a rising star in the world of personal finance writing. But he doesn't look like someone you'd rely on for advice about how to handle your money. ... Sethi, who lives in San Francisco's Marina district, seems like someone who might work at a Silicon Valley startup. And, in fact, his day job is vice president of marketing at PBwiki, a tiny, fast-growing producer of Internet tools. Sethi's blog, I Will Teach You to Be Rich, has rapidly become one of the most popular finance sites on the Internet for college students and young adults getting started in their careers, visited by 150,000 people a month. ... Sethi grew up in Sacramento, a middle-class child of immigrant parents. At Stanford University, he earned a bachelor's degree in science, technology and society, and a master's in sociology, while writing a comedy column for the Stanford Daily."
3. Buck, Claudia (2009-06-07). "Money blogger shares hometown savings tips". The Sacramento Bee. Archived from the original on 2023-04-27. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
  The article notes: "Save $1,000 in four weeks: Can you do it? Ramit Sethi thinks so. The former Sacramentan and Stanford grad is on a personal finance mission. He's got a popular blog, write-ups in the Wall Street Journal and other high-profile business pubs, as well as a New York Times best-seller: "I Will Teach You to be Rich." And he's only 26. A 2000 Bella Vista High School graduate, Sethi tailors much of his advice based on real-life encounters with friends and peers. Convinced that frugality is frumpy, he launched a hipper how-to savings challenge on his blog (iwillteachyoutoberich.com) last year: "Save $1,000 in 30 Days.""
4. Creamer, Anita (2007-11-16). "Bella Vista grad's financial advice geared to peers". The Sacramento Bee. Archived from the original on 2023-04-27. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
  The article notes: "Now the Bella Vista High School and Stanford University graduate rakes in sizable fees for his I Will Teach You To Be Rich speaking engagements, and he's writing a book on the subject, too. And that's not even his day job: He's also a co-founder of PBWiki.com. His parents -- Neelam, a teacher; and Prab, who works for the state -- still live in Fair Oaks. ... Hence, the blog, which he started in 2004. It now receives 150,000 hits a month, plus lots of comments from people who don't hesitate to argue with Sethi when ..."
5. Kimes, Mina (2011-12-26). "New Guru on the Block". Fortune. Archived from the original on 2023-04-27. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
  The article notes: "Sethi's advice isn't terribly unusual: He wants young people to slash their debt, invest for retirement, and increase their earning power. It's his approach that makes him different. Unlike most people in the self-help business, Sethi eschews fuzzy affirmations in favor of specific directives. His tips are based on careful testing and paired with musings on the mysteries of human behavior. His technocratic style is similar to that of Tim Ferriss, author of the smash hit productivity guide The 4-Hour Workweek. Like Ferriss, Sethi specializes in coming up with simple tweaks--or hacks, as productivity junkies call them--that his readers can apply to their lives. ... Whenever Sethi promotes his products on iwillteachyoutoberich.com--which is often--commenters howl in protest."
6. Lieber, Ron (2012-05-05). "How To Raise A Financial Guru". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2023-04-27. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
  The article notes: "A running theme throughout Ramit Sethi's book, blog and courses is the idea that we should all negotiate like Indians do. When I asked his mother, Neelam Sethi, whether anyone might take offense to the idea, she seemed surprised. ... It's the big purchases, however, that had the most impact on the 29-year-old Mr. Sethi, a Stanford University graduate who often tells the story of watching his father, Prab, a mechanical engineer, negotiate for days in pursuit of a fair price on a Honda. And why was the teenage Ramit dragged along for all the negotiating sessions? "When we were growing up in India, big purchases were very rare," said Mrs. Sethi, a teacher who moved to the United States in 1982."
7. Cullen, Terri (2005-03-03). "Blogs Expose Personal Finance: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on 2023-04-27. Retrieved 2023-04-27.
  The article notes: "Musings like this one may be the reason readers keep coming back to the Iwillteachyoutoberich.com blog, or Web log, of Ramit Sethi. The blog, a running commentary on the 22-year-old Stanford University graduate student's personal finances and his views on financial planning, attracts several thousand readers a month."
There is sufficient coverage in
reliable sources to allow Ramit Sethi to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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I reviewed the article and do not consider the article to be overly promotional. It is neutrally written. Cunard (talk) 09:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Pinging the only participant of the 2011 discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramit Sethi who has been active in the last three years: Whpq (talk · contribs). Cunard (talk) 09:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I was of the opinion that notability was met in 2011 and my opinion has not changed. Reading the text of the article at the time of this nomination, I fail to see how this article reads as an advertisement. -- Whpq (talk) 12:32, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This New York Times article[1] is also significant coverage, statisfies
WP:BLPREMOVE. Tags can be added for tone, etc. BruceThomson (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Keep passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, based on the sources listed above (that said, this article needs some TLC).--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 21:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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