Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steam World

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The result was keep. /ƒETCH COMMS / 18:44, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Steam World

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Clearly Fails Wikipedia:Notability (media). Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 07:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - I'm not too sure about how to judge the notability of magazines, but on the face of it this one doesn't seem to meet WP:Notability (media). Robofish (talk) 01:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Deletion - If the article was actually properly written I'd say it would meet the criteria.. but due to the fact there's simply a one liner, with nothing to support any of the criteria I'd agree in it's current form it's failing to meet it and should be deleted.Sgreen93 (talk) 16:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Steam World has been around for a long time, thus meeting part 2 of the notability essay for magazines - "have served some sort of historic purpose or have a significant history" - August 2007 being issue #242 would indicate that issue #1 was published in June 1987, assuming 1 issue per month. That the article is a stub in need of improvement is not a reason to delete it. Mjroots (talk) 06:08, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How long a magazine has nothing to do with "have served some sort of historic purpose or have a significant history" . What that means is that the magazine/newspaper has made a significant impact on society in the past. --Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 05:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - From britishrailwaybooks.co.uk it appears that the magazine was first published in 1981, stopped at issue 32 in 1983, was revived at issue 33 in March 1990, and Aug and Sep issues of 1992 were both numbered 62. One secondary source for the magazine's history is www.steamindex.com, which suggests that the magazine may be notable. Ning-ning (talk) 21:25, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Remember it says the magazine is "frequently cited by other reliable sources". 2 isn't frequent.--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 05:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Frequent citation is a tough test of a magazine. The only railway magazine I've seen cited is

Railway Magazine. I suspect Steam World probably fulfills the same need for trainspotters as Parade (British magazine) used to do for schoolboys, and is therefore unlikely to get cited. Amateur Photographer, despite its long history, doesn't get cited but the British Journal of Photography does. I'm not putting this forward as an argument for keep-ing this article, just that it seems that magazines in general are unlikely to be cited unless they have a long publication history, and regularly publish reliable primary research. Ning-ning (talk) 08:18, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Keep Just as a passerby, I'd apply the "
W H Smith" test for notability of British magazines, which it appears SW passes. Being more formal about it, I'd suggest that being carried on Smith's shelves makes it a "significant publication in ethnic and other non-trivial niche markets" per #5 of WP:Notability (media)#Newspapers, magazines and journals. It's a bit weak I grant you, but throw in the multi-decade history and as an outsider it feels like it just about falls on the notable side of a grey area. Le Deluge (talk) 11:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply
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