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Category:Medieval physicians of Croatia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename all per nom. --Xdamrtalk 23:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Medieval physicians of Croatia to Category:Medieval Croatian physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of England to Category:Medieval English physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of France to Category:Medieval French physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Iraq to Category:Medieval Iraqi physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Italy to Category:Medieval Italian physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Persia to Category:Medieval Persian physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Portugal to Category:Medieval Portuguese physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Spain to Category:Medieval Spanish physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Syria to Category:Medieval Syrian physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Tunisia to Category:Medieval Tunisian physicians
Category:Medieval physicians of Central Asia to Category:Medieval Central Asian physicians
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Standardize on form for this category and related ancient category. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as nom. This is part of a group that have recently been subject to tidying. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Oppose The suggested change could, in many instances, result in a misleading description of physicians listed in the relevant category. For example the Medieval physicians of Spain includes, and is intended to include, physicians who lived at some time in Spain, whether Spanish, Arab, Moorish, Jewish or Italian, some of these would also appear under say, Italy, France or Egypt (the latter not listed above). The Medieval physicians of Iraq, would likewise include not just Iraqi physicians, in the usual understanding of the term Iraqi (being a term that did not exist until the twentieth century and accordingly is not really applicable to the medieval period), but also Greek, Arab, Kurdish, Assyrian, Armenian, Jewish and Persian physicians who lived at some time in the region now known as Iraq. The Medieval physicians in England category includes at least one Portuguese physicians who spent some years in England, but who would not normally be considered an "English physician". Similar arguments can be made in all cases.Davshul (talk) 19:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Northland, New Zealand

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename:
--Xdamrtalk 23:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Northland, New Zealand to Category:Northland Region
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Following discussion at the Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board, we've more or less agreed to make the names of the categories and articles relating to New Zealand's regions as uniform as possible. Rather than present one enormous group nomination which could turn into a trainwreck, it's probably easier to work one smaller chunks, region by region (consider this one a "test case", perhaps). Here's instalment one: Northland. Apart from the main category there are three subcategories:
FWIW, the main article is at Northland Region, a name which is unique worldwide as far as I can ascertain ("Northland" by itself is not unique, of course). Grutness...wha? 23:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ancient physicians

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename all per nom. --Xdamrtalk 23:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Ancient physicians of Egypt to Category:Ancient Egyptian physicians
Category:Ancient physicians of Syria to Category:Ancient Syrian physicians
Nominator's rationale: Rename. To follow the form of the other subcategories and better match the name with that used in one of its parents. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as nom. This is part of a group that have recently been subject to tidying. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose The suggested change would result in a misleading description of physicians listed in the relevant categories. For example the Ancient physicians of Egypt includes, and is intended to include, physicians who lived at some time in Egypt, whether Egyptian, Roman or Greek, some of these would also appear in other categories. The Ancient physicians of Syria, would likewise include Greeks, Romans and others, there being no distinct Syrian nationality ar the time.Davshul (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Johns Hopkins Hospital patients

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete:
--Xdamrtalk 17:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Johns Hopkins Hospital patients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Deaths at Johns Hopkins Hospital (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. For the people included in these categories, they are not particularly defined by being hospitalized, let alone for being hospitalized in (or dying in) a particular hospital. These are the only categories of their kind, as far as I can tell. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - being treated at or dying in a particular medical facility is not defining of the individual. While generally speaking a person is likely to die in only one medical facility (if at all), one may be treated in countless facilities, leading to category clutter were this to be implemented.
    talk) 22:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete as a not defining characteristic. Debresser (talk) 22:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete but Replace When I discovered the category Johns Hopkins Hospital patients, it had just one article. I tried to improve it by adding more articles to it. All this time, I actually did wondered about the validity and did kind of agree with the nom's rationale, though I do not agree with the part "these are the only categories of their kind, as far as I can tell" as a reason for deletion because there is always a first for everything. Still, a small number of these patients are indeed notable only for being patients at JHH, even possibly for dying there. It may be worth creating another subcategory of CAT:JHH that deals with breakthrough treatments at JHH, which often, these patients are notable for. Prior to deletion, we should find some alternative category for some of these subjects that we can agree on and place them in there.Sebwite (talk) 00:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I looked at all of the articles currently in the categories and none of the subjects are notable solely for being a Johns Hopkins patient or dying there. If someone is truly notable only for having undergone medical treatment at JH, then per
    talk) 04:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:Solomon Islander people by ethnic or national origin

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Solomon Islander people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Solomon Islands people by ethnic or national origin for consistency, unattractive though it is... --Xdamrtalk 23:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Solomon Islander people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Solomon Islands people by ethnic or national origin
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per standard usage in subcategories of Category:Solomon Islands people. "Solomon Islander" is a noun but not an adjective. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I meant as well. I overlooked the "people". Debresser (talk) 23:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Such a rename would depart from the norm: overwhelmingly, the first-level subcategories of Category:People by ethnic or national origin use "Fooian people", as do the subcategories of Category:People by nationality and Category:People by ethnicity. One reason is that not all nationalities or ethnicities have a handy term that can be used as a noun. What is a collective noun for French people? "Frenchmen"?; "Frenchpersons"? We've already decided repeatedly to avoid using "Britons" instead of "British people", so I'd prefer to keep some degree of consistency in this matter. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Palestinians and the United Nations

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Palestinians and the United Nations to Category:Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations. --Xdamrtalk 23:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Palestinians and the United Nations to Category:Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I'm suggesting that this category be named after the main article Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations. It may not be the best possible name for the article, but it is clear that somehow the category name needs to include "Israel", not just "Palestine" or the "Palestinians", since Israel is a UN member and many of the articles in the category explicitly deal with UN actions involving the state of Israel. For example, a subcategory is Category:United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. At this point, I feel matching to the article is the best solution, then if the article name changes we can reconsider. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:University of Chicago linguists

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge Category:University of Chicago linguists to Category:University of Chicago faculty and Category:Linguists. --Xdamrtalk 23:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:University of Chicago linguists to Category:University of Chicago faculty and Category:Linguists
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Per
WP:OC#NARROW, this qualifies as an overly narrow intersection category, I believe. As far as I can see, the two noted existing categories convey the meaning of this category, so there is no need for the intersection category. (LMBM2012 (talk) 03:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC))[reply
]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Smithing gods

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Keep. --Xdamrtalk 17:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:Smithing gods to Category:Smithing deities
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge due to over-categorization. Wizard191 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Smithing goddesses

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. --Xdamrtalk 17:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:Smithing goddesses to Category:Smithing deities
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge due to over-categorization. Wizard191 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Communist human experimentation

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Speedily deleted by Anthony Appleyard; category created by banned user. NAC.
talk) 09:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
Category:Communist human experimentation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Terrible unneeded POV nonsense. The fact that the countries experiment on humans has nothing to do with communism. Delete Triplestop x3 15:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Communist terrorism by country

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Speedily deleted by J.delanoy as a creation by a banned troll in a blatant attempt to troll. Triplestop x3 20:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Communist terrorism by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This includes all subcategory members. What the communists did does not fall under terrorism and it seems terrible uneducated to call it such. This is highly POV and propoganda, please delete Triplestop x3 15:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I mistakenly named Category:Communist terrorism by Greece instead of Category:Communist terrorism in Greece. Please rename this category. Joklolk (talk) 05:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • You've pretty much put your finger on the problem with the category. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter or Hero of the Revolution.
    talk) 17:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:InuYasha characters

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge into Category:InuYasha. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:InuYasha characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category should be merged with its parent category as it contains only one entry (a list of characters). It is unlikely that more entries will be added. G.A.Stalk 15:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:WikiProject Deletionism participants

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Deletionism participants to Category:WikiProject Deletion participants
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The WikiProject has been named
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletionism redirects there. It's time the participant category was renamed accordingly. Jafeluv (talk) 10:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
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