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Category:Mathematical films

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 16:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Mathematical films to Category:Films about mathematics
Nominator's rationale: Or possibly Category:Films about mathematics and mathematicians. The present name implies that something about the medium itself is mathematical--this is, of course true in a general sense, but that is also true of every film and every medium. The proposed name is more clear. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support seems like a sensible change, the second while more acurate seems a bit of a mouthful.--Salix (talk): 00:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per above. --vgmddg (look | talk | do) 21:57, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:iPhone OS software

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The result of the discussion was: rename all. Kbdank71 16:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:iPhone OS software to Category:iOS software
Propose renaming Category:iPhone OS games to Category:iOS games
Propose renaming Category:iPhone OS-only games to Category:iOS-only games
Propose renaming Category:iPhone OS game covers to Category:iOS game covers
Propose renaming Category:Screenshots of iPhone OS games to Category:Screenshots of iOS games
Propose renaming Category:Screenshots of iPhone OS software to Category:Screenshots of iOS software
Nominator's rationale: To reflect the changing focus away from the iPhone and onto other form factors such as the iPad and Apple TV, the iPhone OS was renamed to iOS earlier in the year. Our mainspace
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Category:Converts to Non-Trinitarian Christianity from Eastern Orthodoxy

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 16:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Converts to Non-Trinitarian Christianity from Eastern Orthodoxy to Category:Converts from Eastern Orthodoxy
Nominator's rationale: Merge. In the past, categories for Converts to Mormonism from Eastern Orthodoxy and Converts to Jehovah's Witnesses from Eastern Orthodox were deleted. Now the same editor who created those two has combined the two into this new category. I suggest that it be deleted because (1) the category remains small and relatively narrow in scope, with only two articles in it; and (2) there is little to be gained by grouping converts to Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses together. There is no parent for Category:Converts to Non-Trinitarian Christianity. These can easily be housed in the parent Category:Converts from Eastern Orthodoxy (as well as Category:Converts to Mormonism or Category:Converts to Jehovah's Witnesses, as appropriate). Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:44, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this category is anything to go by, denominationally splitting the latter category (Converts to Non-Trinitarian Christianity) would probably be unnecessary.--Jeffro77 (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware that those categories existed. However, they would naturally be subcategories of Category:Converts to non-Trinitarian Christianity, so further splitting would still be unnecessary.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I realise that, but I'm just not sure what benefit grouping them together would be. There is no parent category for adherents of non-Trinitarian religions, so it wouldn't be fitting in to any sort of overarching scheme. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The best existing category to use as a parent for Category:Converts to non-Trinitarian Christianity would be Category:Antitrinitarianism. The new category would then be the parent category for subcategories of adherents of non-Trinitarian religions.--Jeffro77 (talk) 02:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, I'm just suggesting where such a new category might go if it were created. However, I don't really think there is any pressing need for the new category, and I would prefer that the category in question just be merged per the nominator.--Jeffro77 (talk) 03:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Liberal Party politicians

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 16:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:National Liberal Party politicians to Category:National Liberal Party (Germany) politicians
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Propose disambiguating to match article National Liberal Party (Germany). There have been a number of political parties that use this same name. The nominated category needs to be a disambiguation category for Category:National Liberal Party (UK) politicians, Category:National Liberal Party (Romania) politicians, Category:National Liberal Party (El Salvador) politicians, Category:National Liberal Party (Moldova) politicians, Category:National Liberal Party (Panama) politicians, and so forth. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Late 2000s global financial crisis

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The result of the discussion was: rename. If the main article gets renamed again, we can easily rename the cat to match. Kbdank71 17:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Late 2000s global financial crisis to Category:Financial crisis of 2007–2010
Nominator's rationale: Per main article —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • rename per nom I created this category, I suppose to match the then name of the main aritcle; this main article name has changed; so also should this category name. Hmains (talk) 22:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Here's to not having to rename it again! RevelationDirect (talk) 22:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it possible to create a template that would alert a bot to move a category to always match the title of a particular article, so that if the article were renamed the category were automatically renamed? If anyone objected, they could just remove the template and/or go through a normal CFR. postdlf (talk) 00:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but the crisis is not necessarily over yet. I would accordingly suggest renaming both the article and category to "Global financial crisis from 2007". When we are sure it is over we can rename both with a termintaion date, but we have just had to have the Irish banks bailed out and rumour suggest that the Spanish ones will be next. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Antisemitism by country

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Antisemitism by country or region.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Antisemitism by country to Category:Antisemitism by region
Nominator's rationale: I just created this category, but in trying to populate it, I'm realizing the proposed new name makes a lot more sense, as it would allow Europe-wide, Arab world-wide, etc. phenomena to belong as well. Antisemitism doesn't exactly stop at a national border, so I think this allows for better categorization. Roscelese (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Current cat name is just fine. All the current subcats are by country; no reason to rename based on speculation as to what subtcats might be created later and which might fit better into a different category tree branch than this one. Hmains (talk) 22:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I should have clarified: articles currently exist on anti-Semitism in Europe, in the Arab world, etc., but I can't put them there! Because it's "by country." What I'd rather have is "by region," so that "Europe" could be a sub-cat and have sub-subcats of European countries, etc. It seems more reasonable. Roscelese (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Database Professionals

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 17:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Database Professionals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. There is already a category Category:Database researchers but everyone in this category is already correctly categorised as Category:Technical writers or Category:Computer programmers. Tassedethe (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Database researchers, technical writers, and computer programmers cover it well – those are the ways to be notable as a database professional. --Pnm (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:City Parks in Syracuse, New York

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 17:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:City Parks in Syracuse, New York to Category:Parks in Syracuse, New York
Nominator's rationale: Rename. More sensible name in accordance with the category's scope. Pnm (talk) 20:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sri Lankan Senators

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 17:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan Senators to Category:Senators of Ceylon
Nominator's rationale: Rename.
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Tchaikovsky

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The result of the discussion was: rename all. Kbdank71 17:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Symphonies by Pyotr Tchaikovsky to Category:Symphonies by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Propose renaming Category:Operas by Pyotr Tchaikovsky to Category:Operas by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Propose renaming Category:Compositions by Pyotr Tchaikovsky to Category:Compositions by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Nominator's rationale: Per main article/category. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I created one of these categories and I have no objections to the rename. I created the symphony category and just used the composition category as a guide. If they all match, then I'm good.DavidRF (talk) 19:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the inclusion of the patronymic provides his full Russian name. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Operas with a mythological setting

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 17:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Operas with a mythological setting to Category:Operas set in fictional, mythological and folkloric settings
Nominator's rationale: Most operas are set in real countries, but some are set in fictional, mythological or folkloric settings. Adding "fictional" and "folkloric" to the currect category name will cover all bases. A discussion on the subject can be found at Talk:Iolanthe#Category:operas_with_a_mythological_setting. GuillaumeTell 16:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It is sensible to rename the category to add the "fictional" settings, as the nominator suggests. Currently, operas set in fictional locales are not covered by the category tree. I think that they should logically be grouped with those set in mythical and folkloric locales, especially as there is often some overlap between a "fictional" setting and a "mythological" or "folkloric" setting. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - the rename makes sense to me. Jack1956 (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - as Ssilvers says, it's difficult to separate the concepts sometimes. Roscelese (talk) 22:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Such an all-encompassing category as proposed is not defining or useful, especially when it excludes Ariadne auf Naxos because that has a named real "setting" - but then why is Rheingold etc there??? Actually I'm very dubious about the current name and definition, which seem to misuse both "setting" and "mythological". I could live with "Operas set in named fictional locations", but that's it. The Ring is set in Germany as far as I'm concerned. Johnbod (talk) 10:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments on the above
    • The category is not all-encompassing, it just encompasses operas that aren't set in a real country or countries.
    • Strauss's Ariadne auf Naxos is set in the house of the richest man in Vienna, not in a mythological or folkloric or fictional setting.
    • Nibelheim is in Germany, is it? And the Norns reside in Germany, too, do they?
    • --GuillaumeTell 18:30, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously the opera within the opera is set on Naxos. Are you saying (most of) the Rhine doesn't run through Germany? Certainly Nibelheim is in Germany, and Valhalla above it. One trouble is that to most people "a mythological setting" is not talking about the actual physical location of the action, or lack of one, but the origin of its subject matter. Johnbod (talk) 23:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Naxos is an island in the Mediterranean. And I didn't mention the Rhine. --GuillaumeTell 17:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your point being? I mentioned the Rhine, because it is why the Ring does not belong in this gimcrack category. Johnbod (talk) 17:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are entirely free to recategorise the Ring in Category:Operas set in Germany (and I might add that its present categorisation is nothing to do with me), although I find it difficult to argue with someone who regards Nibelheim as a real place. --GuillaumeTell 18:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't have to be a real location, just in a real country, or would an opera of Coronation Street have a "fictional, mythological and folkloric setting"? Johnbod (talk) 13:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If nothing else (and there is plenty - see above), the "set in ... settings" wordings is unacceptably awkward. But this is a just a symptom here. Johnbod (talk) 17:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:All articles with unsourced statements

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 17:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:All articles with unsourced statements (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: We have Category:Articles with unsourced statements where everything is organised by months. I don't see the reason to have all pages in a single category with 200k items. Nowadays we have tools to sum number of pages in suncategories, we have bots to organise everything by month, etc. I suggest we delete this category as it serves no purpose and only forces us to double categorise everything. Magioladitis (talk) 13:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How can bots work with pages with unsourced statements? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Off the top of my head, they can build list of unsourced articles by topic area, and notify editors and wikiprojects. I dunno how much of this is going on (there was a flurry of it BLP articles a while back), but even if there's not much happening now I think it would be a very bad idea to do something which impedes the ability of bots to work in this area. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't. Making a list from subcats is trivial in AWB, and I would imagine the other bot frameworks. It's not hard in perl. Rich Farmbrough, 15:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]
The count is available from the progress box. Rich Farmbrough, 15:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]
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United States railway stations opened

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. Kbdank71 17:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:United States railway stations opened in 1854 to Category:Railway stations opened in 1854
Propose merging Category:United States railway stations opened in 1855 to Category:Railway stations opened in 1855
Nominator's rationale: Merge. These are two single entry categories with limited growth potential. In addition one of these probably does not even belong in the historic tree. While the 1854 station might be historic, it has been rebuilt 4 times and from the picture it would appear that the old structure no longer exists. So, better to leave with the parent and not start splitting out by country at this point. The most populated category in the parent tree has 169 articles which is not overly large. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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