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December 6

Category:Former students of St Kevin's College, Oamaru

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 19:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deletion of following small populated categories:

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Category:Companies based in Livonia, Michigan

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Livonia, Michigan. Kbdank71 19:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Companies based in Livonia, Michigan to Category:Companies based in Metro Detroit
Nominator's rationale: Only four entries,
WP:OC#SMALL, not likely to expand (note that the category creator also made a very inaccurate article listing companies "based" in Livonia). Better to upmerge since Livonia is in Metro Detroit. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 23:43, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Rename & Expand: The existing cat is not viable and the list article should be deleted. But there are about another dozen articles related to Livonia with room for growth and no current city cat. I would favor changing this to Category:Livonia, Michigan and I can move articles into it.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:24, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would be fine with a retool as a category about Livonia, Michigan proper. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Military recovery vehicles

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. It may be necessary to follow this up with a nomination to deal with some of the subcategories created by the nominator when this nomination was ongoing. On balance, it would have been best if the nominator had held off from creating new categories until this discussion was concluded. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Military recovery vehicles to Category:Armoured recovery vehicles
Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename per
Qwertyus 23:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Of the armoured recovery vehicles, nearly all (the one exception I can think of being the Dragon Wagon) are tracked. There's already a sub-category for these at Category:Tracked armoured recovery vehicles.
The other issues are bogus. Common name is "recovery vehicle", because it's only common when already in a military context. Nor is Google Books the sole arbiter of anything. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Andy Dingley – and change the main article to something more accurate. A parent cat is
    talk) 00:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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We don't have a main article. Armoured recovery vehicle is a member of this category, but it's not the main article for it, as it (quite reasonably) only describes a sub-category of these. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry - I assumed the nom's claim above ("Speedy rename per
    talk) 00:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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I see that the nom is busy creating and populating a whole series of sub-categories for this. That even includes Wheeled armoured recovery vehicles, which really is superfluous as a cat - to the best of my knowledge there's only one entry for it. Whilst I'd see this cat tree as somewhat over-generous for a small set of articles in total (14 at present, potentially a few times that), they're presumably going to need MRV as a parent cat. So is this deletion nom still in force? Andy Dingley (talk) 11:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We already have Category:Tracked armoured recovery vehicles. As armour is heavy, armoured vehicles tend to be tracked rather than wheeled. Recovery vehicles also need to be heavy, which tends to further exclude them from the narrow group of lightweight armoured vehicles. I can only think of one example (including those not listed on WP) where an armoured recovery vehicle used wheels rather than tracks. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian EU Patent Inventors

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The result of the discussion was: delete both. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Wikipedian EU Patent Inventors to Category:Wikipedian inventors
Nominator's rationale: In the context of user categorization, it does not seem to me that it should make much difference whether a user is named an inventor on US, EU or other patents. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added
involvement, abilities, skills, knowledge or understanding, or interests which are relevant to encyclopedia-building. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Search and rescue incidents

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 19:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Search and rescue incidents (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I am not sure what the scope of this is supposed to be, but it contains mainly biographical articles of people who disappeared and whose fate remains unknown and/or for whom SAR was conducted (the only exception is Shavarsh Karapetyan, who rescued 20 people from drowning but otherwise has nothing to do with traditional search and rescue). There are more appropriate categories for this, including Category:Missing people and Category:People declared dead in absentia. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Decapitated

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Decapitated albums to Category:Decapitated (band) albums
Propose renaming Category:Decapitated members to Category:Decapitated (band) members
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Main article is at Decapitated (band). Decapitated members conjures up many things, not all of them relating to members of a band. Tassedethe (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Incidents

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The result of the discussion was: redirect Category:Incidents to Category:Events and purge; delete the rest.--Mike Selinker (talk) 00:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Incidents (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category groups unrelated subjects on the basis of a shared name to the point that it is redundant to Category:Events. (An incident is defined as an "event or occurrence".) This category was meant to contain pages related to diplomacy and international relatons but, due to the ambiguous name, it has become a catch-all for any page with "incidents" in the title. I created and partially populated Category:International incidents, so I believe that this category can safely be deleted without any loss of navigational function (all pages are otherwise categorized, mostly in categories for accidents or controversies). -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and categoryredirect to Category:Events. 65.93.12.43 (talk) 05:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • A category redirect probably is a good idea, but such specific pages perhaps should not be merged into such a general category, especially as they are all otherwise categorized (and most can be reached through one or more of the subcategories of Category:Events). -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Incidents by country
Category:Incidents by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Incidents in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: A poorly developed and unnecessary intermediate layer. The sole member, Category:Disasters, can be reached via Category:Destruction, which is a subcategory of Category:Events. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This was part of several dozen changes made to ensure that mere "incidents" did not automaticlly get rolled up into "accidents" as it does with CSX 8888 incident and, in turn, get rolled up into "disasters" which it clearly isn't. This turned out to have broad ramifications to all of Transportation which has concentrated on article development and ignored mis-classification by media hype. Categories need to accurately reflect their articles content. If this is kept, it will ensure that several dozens articles are accurately classified under Transportation. More needs to be done. Transportation needs to get control of categories back from the hypers. Accuracy is as important there as it is in the rest of the encyclopedia. Student7 (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • If this category tree exists solely for transportation- and accident-related pages, then that needs to be clarified—i.e., the categories need to be renamed to Category:Transport incidents by country or Category:Accidents and incidents by country. At present, there is no clear difference between Incidents and Category:Events categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • You are probably correct. I was merely imitating what Transportation already had set up, not trying to change their basic format. As I mentioned, their categorization needs addressing badly and involves hundreds of categories. They have been overlooking these, apparently. A name change is more that I can personally handle. I am having enough trouble trying to get them to categorize things npov. I am not a Transportation person, BTW. Just stumbled on an article, saw something that wasn't right; tried to change it. Realized I had ahold of Tar Baby and tried to limit my exposure. Without success, so far. Student7 (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Incidents by year
Propose merging Category:Incidents by year to Category:Events by year
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. While the nomenclature perhaps needs to be changed to include "Transportation", the label "incident" has a precise meaning withing the National Safety Transportation Board classification. It would not do to lump them in with "events" at this level, with "events" being a runaway train being lumped in with a visit from the King and Queen of Romania. Maybe some higher level. Student7 (talk) 22:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • But that is, in effect, what has happened. The category currently contains subcategories for disasters, terrorist incidents and volcanic eruptions, none of which are primarily transportation-related. With regard to the NTSB's definition of "incident" ... how widely-accepted is that definition? The NTSB is, after all, a U.S. agency not an international one. -- Black Falcon (talk) 15:18, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. I've fought this as long as I can. I'm not a Transportation person. I'm outta here! Student7 (talk) 15:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Novels by Alexandre Dumas, père

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Novels by Alexandre Dumas, père to Category:Novels by Alexandre Dumas
Nominator's rationale: Rename. To conform the category to existing Alexandre Dumas categories, and to reflect recent move of main article to Alexandre Dumas. Dohn joe (talk) 17:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 17:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Political people by country

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Political people by country to Category:Political people by nationality
Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:People by occupation and nationality and to accurately reflect the scope of the subcategories, which categorize by nationality rather than jurisdiction (of course, there is high overlap between the two). With regard to categorizing by jurisdiction, I think we would do better to continue categorizing by individual office (e.g., Mayors of {City}, Governors of {Province} and so on) under Category:Political office-holders by country. -- Black Falcon (talk) 16:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Text of the discussion at
WP:CFD/S
  • Golda Meir -- She is categorized as (among others) a Ukrainian Jew, a person from Kiev, a Wisconsin socialist, an American immigrant to Israel, and an American Zionist, but the only country-specific politician category she belongs in is Category:Israeli politicians (she's in several subcats of that one). Slotting her into Category:Ukrainian politicians and Category:Wisconsin politicians (to name two possibilities) would be absurd, but if the parent category is renamed to "Politicians by nationality," I believe it would be necessary.
  • Valdas Adamkus -- Is correctly categorized as a Lithuanian politician (actually he's in Category:Presidents of Lithuania, but also fits appropriately into some American nationality categories. Similar problem to Golda Meir.
  • Sam Houston -- Famously was governor of two U.S. states and president of an independent country, but arguably his only nationality was American (Texas was a country for a while, but it's not usually considered to be a nationality). --Orlady (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To make the entire tree different than the standard on behalf of a handful of instances seems to me unnecessary. I'm not convinced it's even an issue in all of the instances you cite. If someone is not notable for having been a politician in a particular country, then they can just be removed from the corresponding nationality tree. (For instance, I don't think there is a need to categorize Meir anywhere within the "American politicians" tree—in any case, socialists aren't necessarily politicians, so it seems to be more of a quirk in the category tree than anything.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Choral Societies

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete, user request. Next time you can just use {{
BencherliteTalk 15:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Choral Societies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Please delete; incorrect capitalisation. S a g a C i t y (talk) 13:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Kure, Japan

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:People from Kure, Japan to Category:People from Kure, Hiroshima
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Convention is to disambiguate using the name of the state, county, province, canton and in this case prefecture, etc., not the name of the country. Mayumashu (talk) 12:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Volcanic eruptions by year

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Useless categorization scheme, since most of the highly active volcanoes are erupting continuously for many years. With these scheme, many articles would be categorized with additional dozens categories. - Darwinek (talk) 11:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, and consensus of discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volcanoes#Categories for years of eruptions. --Avenue (talk) 12:36, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Over categorization. Volcanoguy 13:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would it make sense to condense the categories into a decade-based scheme? - Eureka Lott 00:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can also see some value in readers being able to readily browse those volcanoes that exhibit significant eruptive characteristics -by year of eruption. However I do also agree with Darwinek (talk) on the point that "most of the highly active volcanoes are erupting continuously for many years". Maybe a consideration of per decade is more appropriate as per Eureka Lott above as that would still give emphasis to those with eruptive activity without the volume of categories that a per year structure requires. I do see some value in it in that if someone wants to see what erupted and where in any particular year then this is a quick and easy way to give access to that information. However I understand how "over categorisation" could be seen as an issue with this. The reason that I have commented it that I just used this category structure to enquire as to a particular years eruptions. Therefore I can see it has some value, indeed it did seem to be something useful to me when I used it just now. Felix (talk) 09:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination as over categorization as I have the same concerns as others that a number of volcanoes would be added to dozens of new categories which would make quite a mess on the article page. I see some merit in perhaps doing it by decade only but I think having list articles per year might be the better approach. RedWolf (talk) 01:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for reasons stated by RedWolf - but only after using the contents of these categories to help populate the category tree Category:Volcanic events by century. It turns out that few individual volcanic events have their own articles, but the article about an active volcano often includes fairly extensive discussions of its historic eruptions. Those volcano articles have been categorized in categories like "Natural disasters in [Country]" and "1902 natural disasters" and the parent category Category:Volcanic events, so there is plenty of precedent for categorizing them in event categories. However, they only should be placed into chronological categories that correspond to events that are actually discussed in the articles. --Orlady (talk) 03:16, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Libido

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The result of the discussion was: rename albums, delete general category.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Libido to Category:Líbido (band)
Propose renaming Category:Libido albums to Category:Líbido (band) albums
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Needs disambiguation to match main article
Líbido (band). Libido has a different principle meaning and it is otherwise ambiguous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:27, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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  • What are these potential items? The argument against an eponymous category is precisely that it tends to collect a mishmash of articles connected tenuously to the subject with no clear inclusion criteria.
    talk) 17:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Bath

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Bath to Category:Bath, Somerset
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Suggest renaming to match article Bath, Somerset. Bath is ambiguous and there are several places of the same name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Less ambiguous, no good argument against. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rename to match title of parent article and reduce ambiguity. Alansohn (talk) 17:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Political posters of Australasia

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The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Political posters of Australasia to Category:Political posters of Oceania
Nominator's rationale: Rename. For continent categories, "Oceania" is typically used rather than "Australasia". Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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