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Category:Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:24, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match the article Kremlin Press Secretary, using the plural form. – Fayenatic London 22:11, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: There was a speedy nomination to pluralise the long formal name, which was opposed. – Fayenatic London 22:13, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of discussion on Speedy page
  • Support, should have been an uncontroversial case of
    WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:Wikipedians who play Unknown Armies

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Violates
WP:USERCAT in that this category does not foster encyclopedic collaboration. It does not help encyclopedia building to know which games people play. Extensive precedent to delete these type of categories. VegaDark (talk) 21:09, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Delete as having an overly narrow scope. Even if playing a video game implied any interest in collaborating on articles related to it, any potential for collaboration is limited to just one or a few articles—with a few exceptions for expansive video game series that have tens or hundreds of related articles. In this case, any collaboration would be limited to just one article and, therefore, could take place just as easily on the article's talk page. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:15, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Byzantine Latin language

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, too little content to keep this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Byzantine dialect of Latin differed from Western Roman Latin.GreyShark (dibra) 11:34, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified WikiProject Latin to invite additional participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:29, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dual Upmerge for Now Too little content to aid navigation but no objection to recreating later if more content appears. 00:28, 1 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevelationDirect (talk • contribs)
  • Merge as per my comment below; no valid entries into the category, validity of the category at all is disputable. Mr rnddude (talk) 02:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • full upmerge (as nom). Even if this is a genuine language or dialect (of which I am not sure) and we had a main article, that would only make 3 articles, which is not enough for a category. If this were an AFD about an article, my response would be to keep it. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Byzantine Latin inscriptions

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, the category suggests some use of Latin in the Byzantine Empire but that gives a wrong impression. All three inscriptions in this category are from the time that the Byzantine Empire was merely the eastern half of the Roman Empire (4th/5th century). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Byzantine Latin somewhat differed from Western Roman and of course Byzantium and Western Rome turned separated by mid 4th century CE.GreyShark (dibra) 11:36, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • By what sources does a Byzantine Latin dialect exist? By what sources are these inscriptions written in this dialect? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:01, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does this also apply to the 4th/5th century inscriptions that are in this category? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as proposed. I do not believe there was any substantial difference in Latin speech or script. If there was, verification is necessary and I don't see any such verification in the relevant articles. CravinChillies 08:18, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified WikiProject Latin to invite additional participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - I am not convinced by the source presented that Byzantine Latin is a dialect. Indeed, nowhere in the source is a dialect mentioned. There is mention that Latin and Greek inscriptions were found on the same seals, and, that sometimes Latin words were given Greek case endings, but, no mention of this forming a dialect/language or anything else. Besides that, the entries into the category don't fit the description presented above either. The Column of Marcian, the first entry into the category, has an inscription that is written in Latin. The same is true of the Column of the Goths. The Obelisk of Theodosius, has both a Latin and a Byzantine Greek inscription. Nowhere do I see a mention of a Latin-Greek hybridization or a Latin dialect that could possibly be called "Byzantine Latin". Indeed, I don't even see an instance of a Latin word receiving a Greek case ending. That puts us back to zero valid entries into the category should it actually be a valid category at all. Mr rnddude (talk) 02:54, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge -- While there is slight evidence of a diglot appearing on seals, all the content appears to me to relate to inscriptions in standard Latin. The Byzantine element in the category relates to the location of 3 columns in Istanbul (formerly Byzantium). Peterkingiron (talk) 18:09, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople from Dnipropetrovsk

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 22:46, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: According to the main category (Category:Dnipro)--Unikalinho (talk) 16:46, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Brindle, Lancashire

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:27, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCATs for just one or two people from small villages. As always, every populated place that exists does not automatically get one of these the moment we have just one or two articles about people from there -- until the number of articles actually justifies a dedicated category (i.e. at least five or six, though preferably double-digits), we just file those people in the category for the parent borough or county. Bearcat (talk) 14:57, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Globalization terminology

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The result of the discussion was: merge. ℯxplicit 06:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, the scope of this category is identical to its parent category, there is nothing that the articles in this subcategory have in common except that they are about globalization. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:23, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge On Wikipedia we uses words and phrases (aka terminology) to let people know what a given page is about. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:52, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Looking at Category:Terminology we have a whole category tree devoted to collecting the jargon used in various fields. Is there are reason this particular field terminology cat is singled out for deletion/upmerge? --Mark viking (talk) 17:45, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • No but we should be careful not to nominate categories which are really about terminology (i.e. about linguistics). Many terminology categories have been deleted already, each on their own. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't go so far as to say that whole category tree shouldn't exist, but many of those subcategories serve as a catchall that don't aid navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@
Glossary of cricket) so I don't see any benefit of introducing a "categorical glossary structure" and lots of disbenefits (e.g. adding further complexity). DexDor (talk) 06:39, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
@DexDor, "Glossary" is my own interpretation of the desire to add non-terminology articles to terminology categories. For instance, an editor sees an article like glocalization. The content clearly belongs in the globalization cat or some subcat. But the term is also part of the globalization-specific jargon and wouldn't it be nice to collect jargon-y terms like this into a cat of globalization terminology? Collecting such terms into a globalization glossary/jargon article is the better solution, but the motivation for a terminology cat is there. As long as people think "jargon" is a defining characteristic, they will want terminology/jargon cats. We can be prescriptive about categorizing content, not title. But if that goes against their desire to categorize terms as jargon, it is always going to be an uphill battle. I don't have a good solution. --Mark viking (talk) 09:09, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic churches in Belleville, Illinois

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Churches in St. Clair County, Illinois and Category:Buildings and structures in Belleville, Illinois (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Illinois and Category:Buildings and structures in Belleville, Illinois. There are no other articles in Category:Churches in Belleville, Illinois. Small category unlikely to grow. TM 01:04, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Churches in Barrington, Illinois

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Buildings and structures in Barrington, Illinois, Category:Churches in Cook County, Illinois and Category:Churches in Lake County, Illinois. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:Churches in Illinois. Small category unlikely to grow. TM 00:52, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Triple merge then. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Medal of the Armed Forces in the Service of the Fatherland

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:NONDEFINING
)
The Medal of the Armed Forces in the Service of the Fatherland comes in three grades: Gold, Silver and Bronze awarded, respectively, for 25, 15 and 5 years of service in the Polish armed forces. Serving in the military is defining; receiving an award for serving an arbitrary number of years is not. I listed the recipients of the award here.- RevelationDirect (talk) 00:34, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Folks at 137 as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Poland. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:34, 30 September 2017 (UTC)– [reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Nigerian Independence Medal

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The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:28, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:NONDEFINING
)
The Nigerian Independence Medal was automatically given to every member of the military, police forces or land forces who was employed on 1 October 1960 (Nigerian Independence Day). If you retired on September 30th or started on October 2nd, you would not receive this award. The recipients of this award are already listed here. – RevelationDirect (talk) 00:31, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified notified Asalrifai as the category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Nigeria. – 00:31, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Background We've deleted an identical category for Fiji here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:31, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There are only three pages in it, and I am unsure this is an award of merit, it appears to be a national gift to a whole group, celebrating independence. I am sure it's a nice piece of bling, but I would not base notability on it. Dysklyver 07:54, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Looks like a NN award, like campaign stars. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:18, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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