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Category:Lists of fictional cities

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 02:49, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per all categories of Category:Populated places, including Category:Fictional populated places. Note that the "Thomas & Friends" and "The Railway Series" are a complete overlap and could be merged if a single title could be found (and both should be purged of their two real locations). I have not touched the "lost cities and towns" categories because the root category is Category:Lost cities and towns.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Middle-earth astronomy

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No longer necessary, as 7 of the 8 articles included in this category are now redirects. Hog Farm (talk) 22:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Danish philosophy

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 4#Category:Danish philosophy

Trees in religion

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 02:50, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Most of these are recently created and not needed for navigation. Trees in religion is an unnecessary layer as it contains only Sacred trees. However, it has a better name than the latter, as not all trees in religions are sacred, e.g. Zaqqum the "cursed tree" in Islam. Most of the "Plants in X" contain only "Trees in X" and therefore add nothing useful for navigation. There is no need for a dual merge to their other parent Plants in religion because that will still contain all the Trees categories via Trees in religion.
  • Note: I have proposed "merge and rename" (i.e. overwrite) for the first two because the nominated categories are older, and their history should be moved to the new page name. – Fayenatic London 21:55, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support These all seem sensible, though I could be talked out of some. Johnbod (talk) 00:21, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, in every of these instances a nearly-empty category layer is being removed. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kurdish terrorism

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Category:Early Germanic philosophy

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per
G7. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 23:24, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: This is a variation on an outdated Hegelian category. Eissink (talk) 20:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Germanic philosophy

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per
G7 Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 23:48, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: 'Germanic philosophy' is an outdated distinction by Hegel, meant to distinguish Ancient Philosophy from later Western Philosophy – it is obsolete. Eissink (talk) 20:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, combining Danish and German philosophy in a container category is not helpful at all. The fact that Danish and German are both Germanic languages is unrelated to philosophy. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per both. Johnbod (talk) 02:58, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Middle-earth rivers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:14, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Every entry is a redirect. (Is there an echo in here?) Clarityfiend (talk) 20:08, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Middle-earth inns

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:14, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Every entry is a redirect. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, it seems like they all redirect to the same Middle-earth#Geography section which makes the category merely a nuisance. By the way the section does not even mention the inns. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per arguments above. Hog Farm (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but I changed some of the redirects to more appropriate targets. Goustien (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Middle-earth towers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Every entry is a redirect. Part of the general purging of Tolkiencruft. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. No point in having this category anymore. Hog Farm (talk) 22:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:U.S. Highways by State

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same reasoning as the nomination for deletion of Category:Interstate Highways by State . The category U.S. Highways by state (lowercase "state" versus uppercase "State") already exists and serves as a container category for the various Category:U.S. Highways in <state> pages. There is no need for this new category which would eventually contain every one of the entries in the Category:U.S. Highways in <state> pages in one huge multi-paged category. Indyguy (talk) 19:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for the same reason as Category:Interstate Highways by State. Redundant to and not as useful as the existing Category:U.S. Highways by state. All this category does is sort by highway number ascendingly and then by state alphabetically (not even geographically), so it is not particularly useful for navigation. --Kinu t/c 19:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete—the category unneeded and would not be useful for navigation. Imzadi 1979 → 20:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete redundant, I'm reverting now. Cards84664 (talk) 20:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; please just delete this category now, I'm sorry for making it. :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighwayTyper (talk • contribs) 20:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Redundant and unneeded. Dough4872 23:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Why did this category get created anyway? It's redundant. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 01:05, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 17:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Interstate Highways by State

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category Interstate Highways by state (lowercase "state" versus uppercase "State") already exists and serves as a container category for the various Category:Interstate Highways in <state> pages. There is no need for this new category which would eventually contain every one of the entries in the Category:Interstate Highways in <state> pages in one huge multi-paged category. Indyguy (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Redundant to and not as useful as the existing Category:Interstate Highways by state. All this category does is sort by highway number ascendingly and then by state alphabetically (not even geographically), so it is not particularly useful for navigation. See also the similar Category:U.S. Highways by State, which I ran across due to this request; my rationale for deletion would also apply to that category, if nominated. (As I have declined the addition of the given article to said category, I will defer the nomination to another editor, so as not to appear involved.) --Kinu t/c 19:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete—the category unneeded and would not be useful for navigation. Imzadi 1979 → 20:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete similar to "U.S. Highways by State" above. Cards84664 (talk) 20:28, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; please just delete this category now, I'm sorry for making it. :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighwayTyper (talk • contribs) 20:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Redundant and unneeded. Dough4872 23:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Why did this category get created anyway? It's redundant. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 01:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 17:00, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stargate races

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The result of the discussion was: merge the articles only. MER-C 02:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only two articles. The redirects being in article space isn't particularly helpful for navigation. They should be in a "redirects to list" category. TTN (talk) 17:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the two articles per nom (excluding the redirects). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Bălți County (Romania)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 03:06, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As far as I know, the practice is to categorize people by origin from a currently existing county/district, not by the entity that existed at the time of the subject’s birth. The user has created origin categories for the counties of Bessarabia that existed during the period of Greater Romania. As these have been defunct for 75 years, the action seems futile. Biruitorul Talk 15:29, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- This is an area where anachronism is difficult to avoid. We generally categorise by current boundaries. Bălți is now part of Moldova. A Bălți County (Moldova) existed for a few years, but the county now has 32 districts instead of 10 counties. The outcome of this ought to be that the people articles are distributed to the relevant district subcat of Category:Moldovan people, but that may be asling a lot of closing admin. Can the nom add the appropriate subcat to each bio article and then tell us that he had done that. Otherwise, we may lose valuable data on the people. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:02, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, and - in response of Peterkingiron's comment - all five articles already are in Category:People from Bălți or in a district category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- per nom. If consistently applied, this innovation would put the same article in tens of new redundant categories. Past administrative divisions are irrelevant as places of birth, whichever the country. Dahn (talk) 13:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose, because the nominator's rationale for deleting the category is based on an erroneous supposition, namely that it would somehow not be the practice to categorize subjects by the entity that existed at the time of the subject’s birth (in addition to the currently existing county/district, of course; these two do not cancel each other out). In actual fact, there exists a well-established and very large scheme for characterizing subjects according to former countries/provinces/etc. Moreover, this scheme is certainly not an innovation, but has already been in existence for many years. Example: Category:People from the Province of Brandenburg, which includes 679 subjects and is a subcategory of Category:People from Prussia, which is a subcategory of Category:People from former German states, which is a subcategory of Category:People by former country, which has existed since 2007 and has 209 direct subcategories and a huge number of indirect subcategories. Quod erat demonstrandum. Pamrel (talk) 01:46, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This tree primarily exists for the sake of categorizing rulers, government officials and military personnel of former countries. It would be very odd to e.g. classify a 9th-century Iranian writer as "of the Abbasid Caliphate" in case he has never worked at the court in Bagdad, while for generals it makes perfect sense to be "of the Abbasid Caliphate". Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy technology

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 02:51, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only two articles. The redirects go to the list, so they're unneeded even should it survive AfD. TTN (talk) 15:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge back to main category per nom. We do not need multiple categories for a single franchise. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - while in this case I agree, that's a pretty sweeping statement. The Star Wars and Star Trek categories would be pretty full if we didn't have multiple categories for them. Grutness...wha? 00:20, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are only two articles in the category because the 6 redirects all redirect to the article that is already in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Men in Black (franchise) weapons

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only two files. TTN (talk) 15:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are only two images! Clarityfiend (talk) 20:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stargate technology

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The result of the discussion was: merge, also to Category:Fictional technology. MER-C 02:55, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article TTN (talk) 15:00, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Regal Entertainment Group

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The result of the discussion was: nomination withdrawn. MER-C 02:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Corporate renaming. See article Regal Cinemas for history and references. Senator2029 “Talk” 07:47, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, according to the article, Regal Cinemas is just one of the three brands of Regal Entertainment Group. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, as best I can tell, that part of the article hasn’t been updated yet. But in looking at their website, they refer to themselves and their corporate structure with both “new” and “old” names. If the company can’t clearly state their identity, then that’s their fault. Therefore—unless another editor has more information—I withdraw my request. Senator2029 “Talk” 09:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Catholic nuns

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 02:51, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale In Catholicism, there is a distinction between a
Religious sister (Catholic) and a nun, hence the wider category name. This is present in the category tree structures of both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Catholic traditions. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:16, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Either follow nomination, or implement a full split between nuns and sisters. Keeping as is, with a very underpopulated nuns category, certainly does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No objection -- It should not be necessary repeatedly to relist something like this. Several of us patrol CFD and would object if appropriate. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:School shields

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category is a misnomer and its description says "This category is for logos relating to academic institutions" which is redundant to its parent category, Category:Academic institution logos. I have emptied the category and there was 40 files and a subcategory — for some it was just simply removing the category whereas for others it was changing {{Non-free logo}} to the dedicated {{Non-free school logo}} which automatically populates the Academic institution logos category. I've also uploaded new logo replacements for most of them, and two have been tagged for deletion straight away as the articles have been redirected to their locality. Also following this discussion. Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:07, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by Carey Elmore Morgan, Jr.

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 02:52, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The composer and lyricist
WP:COMMONNAME and to harmonize category with the parent article. I'm not terribly familiar with category naming conventions for songwriters: Morgan appears to be known as a songwriter, composer and lyricst, so I'm not opposed to this category being named "Category:Songs by Carey Morgan" or "Category:Carey Morgan songs" if either more conventional, but I feel it's better to start with a single, all-inclusive category until the sheer number of elements warrants talk of any additional categories. --Animalparty! (talk) 04:03, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Yellowface in Film

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have put the article currently called Examples of yellowface into the parent categories. – Fayenatic London 09:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Obviously the rename could be handled by a speedy, I just thought that it was worth bringing this newly-created category to wider attention, not least because I have a feeling that it or something similar has already been created in the past. It's not a subject I know much about other than recognising the sensitivity involved, I will note that we already have
Yellowface is a redirect to Portrayal of East Asians in American film and theater
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How do other people feel about it, is it

WP:DEFINING and is this the right name? Le Deluge (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete as non-defining for the 4 articles currently in it. All are in many much more appropriate categories - e.g.
    WP:DNWAUC applies. DexDor (talk) 10:52, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Historical simulation games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 03:07, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not my area so I'm open to persuasion, but this looks like a near-enough duplicate of Category:Video games with historical settings? Le Deluge (talk) 19:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Historical simulation games is properly a subcat. A game can have an historical setting without being a simulation (viz. Assassin's Creed)
  • Support, building an entire empire or achieving a rapid social class climb are no realistic simulations. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Classification

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 02:52, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Apart from the eponymous article all the articles are about classification systems Rathfelder (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, the category might be populated by the articles mentioned at
    Classification (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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