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Category:Austerity in the United Kingdom (1939–54)

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 19:30, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Slightly wider scope, and matches the eponymous article. Rathfelder (talk) 20:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Austerity and rationing are not the same thing at all. Also the loss of the specific date range would make this category meaningless (or at least, of little relevance to the original scope). We need to distinguish this WWII austerity period, and the austerity period after the withdrawal of rationing, from other periods of rationing such as 1956 and 1973, or "austerity" under the current tory party. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's just the limitation of MediaWiki categorization being primarily navigational rather than ontologically defining. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Galba

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The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 19:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:OCASSOC, this category only contains people somehow associated with Galba. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Novels nominated for the White Pine Award

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:CANDIDATECAT for an Ontario-only literary award White Pine Award Le Deluge (talk) 19:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Keep - So, I read the link. This is the first category that I have created, so it's possible that I'm wrong in what they're used for, but I think it should be kept. I agree that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, but novels that are nominated are
verifiable. 10 are nominated every year, one book each year wins the award. This has occured since 2002, so there's approximately 220 books that have been nominated for it. A lot of the books nominated for this award are written by famous authors, like Kenneth Oppel, whose book Every Hidden Thing was nominated for the White Pine Award in 2018. Not every single book that has been nominated has a Wikipedia article, but I thought that the category could be useful for the ones that do. The White Pine Award is sponsored by the Ontario Library Association. I'm a high school student in Ontario that reads, so I know some of this stuff ancedotely, but reliable, independant sources do exist about this stuff. Clovermoss (talk) 19:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC) In addition, the White Pine Award is part of the Forest of Reading, which is the largest recreational reading program in Canada. Clovermoss (talk) 19:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
  • We have lists of awards and nominations by person, but I do not know of any other types of nominations lists. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have seen many articles about all kinds of awards. They usually include a list of winners, like this one does, but I have never come across a list of nominees. That's just not done. Anomalous+0 (talk) 23:18, 8 December 2019 (UTC) @Clovermoss:[reply]
  • @
    WP:OCAWARD might not be applicable in this instance, because recieving the award is a defining characterstic (and so is being nominated for it). That said, I realize that the consensus so far seems to be to delete the category. I understand that this is not a vote, but a !vote. I'm just trying to discuss why I felt the category could be useful, or a list, or something. The reason I was asking about lists was because both criteria for deletion mentioned mention that lists can sometimes be used instead of categories, and I thought I should ask here for the input of others before making a list. Clovermoss (talk) 22:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
@Clovermoss:I am sure your remarks are appreciated by all concerned, Clovermoss -- and I hope this experience hasn't dampened your enthusiasm for editing on Wikipedia! (I moved your comment to the end to ensure that the other editors would see it.) Regards, Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:40, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Regulatory fraud

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Category:Doubly landlocked countries

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:11, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT which will only have two members, we already have Category:Landlocked countries. Le Deluge (talk) 18:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Greyhawk organizations

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Category:Medical licensing boards

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: The only place to use the term Medical licensing boards is the USA, which has its own subcategory. None of the articles use the term. Rathfelder (talk) 16:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I can't see how these categories are different. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kapisanan ng mga Brodkaster ng Pilipinas

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles Rathfelder (talk) 16:23, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Banu Hasan

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Category:Hanukkah film

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The result of the discussion was: speedy merge/delete. – Fayenatic London 17:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A duplication of Category:Hanukkah films. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Fictional countries in real continents

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 19:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale, if it concerns a setting in a real continent, it does not really matter whether the country is unknown or fictional. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: several of these categories were previously nominated for discussion in February 2018 and September 2019. (They were kept.) - Eureka Lott 16:50, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I am less than convinced that the brief scene that happens in Wakanda is defining to Avengers:Endgame. More than that, this makes unneeded distinctions. Where do we draw the line between a fictional country and a fictional government? If the place is a real place, but the government is fictional, is the country fictional? Also, how do we distinguish between things set in fictional countries, and things set in unspecified countries? There are too many variables here for this fine of category breakdown to make sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:26, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the past I have defended similar categories, but there are good arguments here for merging. Merge, but add {{Category see also}} links from e.g. Category:Films set in a fictional country to all of the continent categories. – Fayenatic London 12:12, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Setting is defining for a work of fiction. Dimadick (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree, and the proposal does not deny that, it keeps the articles in an e.g. African setting category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:35, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The premise of your nomination is flawed, though. There's a big difference between works that are set in a fictional country and those that are set in an unknown country. Take Coming to America as an example. It's important to the plot that it's set in Zamunda, not an unidentified existing country. - Eureka Lott 16:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes Zamunda important? It is just a random name. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The name isn't the important part; the question is whether being set in a fictional African country is a defining characteristic of the film. In my opinion, it is. - Eureka Lott 18:41, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is still not clear why the difference between an unmentioned African country and a fictional African country is so important. In both cases the country can be a mix of African reality and the author's imagination. The random name of the fictional country is the only differentiator. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per JPL. Re Coming to America even if the distinction is important to the plot of some films that doesn't mean it's generally defining or a good way to categorize. DexDor (talk) 19:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Polish history websites

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The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories Category:Polish websites, Category:History websites and Category:History of Poland. – Fayenatic London 14:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I created this by mistake, but it creates an opportunity for discussion. Most website categories are along the lines of "Fooish websites", but it's not always clear what this means. The history website categories I have made are mostly like "History websites of Foo", intending to mean websites based in Foo, not necessarily about the history of Foo. I have categorised all sorts of websites on the basis of where they are based, which isn't always the same as what they are concerned with. I'd like to know whether people think this is a reasonable approach, or whether we should switch them all the other way. Rathfelder (talk) 20:32, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • While thinking of it, it is slightly odd to categorize websites by the country where they are created or the country where they are hosted. It may not even be visible when a website was created by American people of Polish descent rather than by Polish people. Categorizing by topic (websites about Polish history) definitely seems more defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are some websites which cannot be assigned to a host country, but they are a small minority. But it makes no sense to delete just this one subcategory for that reason. We categorise companies and organisations by where they are based, not, in general, where they are concerned with. Most websites are emanations of companies. Where should they be treated differently? Rathfelder (talk) 22:41, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because websites do not have a clearly visible physical location. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • True. But they have some sort of legal existence and are subject to a legal jurisdiction, even if they do their best to hide. Rathfelder (talk) 18:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article says it "is a Polish web portal dedicated to history". Rathfelder (talk) 22:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Insofar as country subcategorisation is desired, categorising by base of operations is probably the best option, since it's a factor that will determine how they do their business. However, this does indeed seem strange for websites with a global audience. (Lonely Planet being under Category:Australian travel websites, for example.) As for the nominated category, rename as proposed for consistency with the immediate tree, or delete. I'd point out, though that this tree isn't in line with most other website categories, which use Fooian topic websites. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:00, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to parent categories per
    WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Apart from UK and US there are currently only 30 history websites articles, it is way too early to diffuse that over 200 countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Upmerge per Marco. For the question whether this naming scheme is good in general I would say it is. It makes it clear what the scope of the category is and concise. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 08:09, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Oklahoma City Dodgers

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The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 19:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not needed category. It has two subcategories and the team only. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:56, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It has two subcategories and the team only.... Correct! The reason why you need a category. Do not delete. If we're continuing to go down this road, I think we should eliminate all minor League baseball categories. I want to make Wikipedia harder to navigate and less user friendly. Let's make it harder for people to find the information they're looking for. All baseball should be in one massive category. Maybe make Wikipedia like a puzzle. Once you figure it out, then maybe you'll find the information you're looking for.... or not. Spatms (talk) 2:56, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Minor league categories with this amount of entries should be deleted. There is no need for them. Your saying all minor league categories should be eliminated is plain stupid....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, sportsclubs should have a template, similar to the artists template, that automatically links the players category with the managers category, without the need of a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Templates are supposed to link articles, secondly if a subject doesn't have enough links, there is no need for a navbox?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It appears to be a nice solution when it is always the same type of subcategories that are related to each other. In case of artists, the templates ensure a direct link from songs of that artist to albums of that artist and vice versa, so that an artist parent category is no longer needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I don't have a strong view either way, but this comes up a lot with (association) football teams. They can have up to 6 or so categories - players, managers, seasons, templates etc plus just enough in the top category to justify its existence - main article, stadium and badge as a minimum. Given that sports editors tend to over-categorise, I'm not that bothered by having a top category - personally it's things like club template categories that irk me more. That's not to say a sportsclub equivalent of {{albums category}} would not be helpful.Le Deluge (talk) 18:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Part of a well-organized standard category structure, and parent category to the two subcategories, as noted. In addition, it also presently contains three pages and two media items, in addition to the two subcategories. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:36, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Science fiction portals

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Entertainment portals for now. MER-C 19:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge to both parents per
WP:SMALLCAT. Contains just one item, Portal:Doctor Who. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
@Miraclepine: I agree about the portal, but CFD only decides about categories. So long as the portal exists, it needs to be categorised ... and deleting the category (rather than meting it) will leave the portal improperly categorised. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:31, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:K-class ferries of BC Ferries

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ships of BC Ferries. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Propose up-merging to otherwise empty parent to match other BC Ferries ferry-class categories (C-class, I-class, N-class, S-class, T-class, V-class). I suspect the reason for this duplication is the ambiguity of "K-class ferry", due to the presence of the unrelated Sydney K-class ferry. In light of that, if "Category:K-class ferry" is deemed too ambiguous, I'd also be fine with the reverse merge.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 02:54, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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@Fayenatic london: I didn't know that subcategory existed, but yes, I'd support Category:Ships of BC Ferries in lieu, but in that case, we should also add Category:Ferries of British Columbia, no? So, call it a double or triple upmerge (depending if Category:K-class ferries is included) to Category:Ships of BC Ferries, Category:Ferries of British Columbia, and Category:K-class ferries. Marcocapelle, what do you think of this amended result? Doug Mehus T·C 14:47, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note Category:Ferries of British Columbia likely includes articles about ferries built in British Columbia shipyards and inland ferries operated by the provincial government's Ministry of Transportation, not BC Ferries which, while government-owned, is a separate entity. That's likely the reason for those two categories. Doug Mehus T·C 14:50, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Agrarian theorists

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The result of the discussion was: delete manually, recategorizing where needed. MER-C 19:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:NONDEF, hardly any of the articles in the category is explicitly about an agrarian theorist. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • (as nom) I am not against Peterkingiron's alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bookstores of the Faroe Islands

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The question of renaming is deferred to a future discussion. MER-C 19:35, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category with no possibility of expansion for such a tiny country. Shyamsunder (talk) 05:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for renaming is very simple: "OF" implies that the thing in question is either owned by or part of the governing entity -- which is certainly not the case for the typical bookstore. These subcats are all about geographical location, so "IN" is the correct word. Anomalous+0 (talk) 04:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's following
Oculi (talk) 15:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Please see my remarks directly above. Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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