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Category:Vice-Chancellors by university

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contents are all in country sub categories Rathfelder (talk) 22:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I looked, at that is true for neither the US or Denmark, so it certainly is not true for all categories. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 00:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Rectors of universities and colleges in Mexico

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No obvious distinction between the two categories Rathfelder (talk) 22:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:University and college presidents

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Heads of universities are given a variety of titles - President, Chancellor, Vice-Chancellor, Rector, Chief Executive. We need a category which will embrace them all, as at present we have an incoherent mess. Maybe Leaders of universities and colleges? And maybe a way of distinguishing these categories from people who are given similar titles on an honorary basis? Rathfelder (talk) 21:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jabbar family

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Very narrow spin off, we cannot have category for father/mother/son/daughter pairs. It should be broad, at least more than three articles for such categories. Comes under WP:OVERCAT. Störm (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:City Slickers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category with no potential for growth. The two articles already link to each other in their respective leads. Pichpich (talk) 01:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs more input
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Category:Motorcycle Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:NONDEFINING
)
The Motorcycle Hall of Fame inducts people who are already very prominent in motorcycling and are well organized in categories like Category:Motorcycle racers, Category:Motorcycle racing team owners, and Category:Motorcycling media people. The vast majority of articles mentioen the award in passing, although some do mention it in the lede or not at all. The award seems to reflect rather than contribute to fame and doesn't seem defining. The American Motorcyclist Association maintains the museum for the hall of fame in Ohio. The contents of the category are already listified here in a separate list article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 06:22, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Already something like 180 articles about people so inducted in this category. Clear example of where an exception to OCAWARD is appropriate. Montanabw(talk) 17:28, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SMALLCAT is not being claimed here. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
  • WP:WHYN "Because these requirements are based on major content policies, they apply to all articles, not solely articles justified under the general notability criteria." As you can see, nobility is not restricted to new articles. So, any disparagement of an existing hall of fame article is indeed covered by the notability guidelines. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • I did not mean to imply that the existence of a list article was ever a reason to delete a category only that, if this category was deleted, the contents of this category would still be available to readers interested in the hall of fame. My wording could have been clearer. The
    WP:CLN guideline cuts both ways: categories should not seen as non-defining because a list exists but the existence of a list provides no protection from deleting a non-defining category. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]

(talk) 22:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, the part about the statements applying to the list as well is a misunderstanding of policy on my part so that goes away. Now your statement about the award reflecting rather than contributing to fame is something I now understand what you mean by that from a discussion on my talk page. And I think that is something that needs to be applied on a case by case basis to CfD discussions because it not true for all halls of fame. Not every hall of fame induction from every hall of fame that makes induction is just honoring the inductee for the awards they received in the past. And I can prove that is true. In rodeo, there are many inductions that are made to honor an individual or an animal for things they did not receive an award for. Ty Murray was inducted for more than just winning all-around titles. [1]
  • Comment Just a note, I was speaking about the subject who is notable, not an article per policy above. I am again waiting for policy on how such statements or judgments on a reliable source can be made: "The award seems to reflect rather than contribute to fame and doesn't seem defining." This has been answered. And there is
    WP:CLNT which states that: "Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each other. Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others." dawnleelynn(talk) 18:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Good grief, I am not nominating any Hall of Fame articles or any biography articles for deletion in AfD for being non-notable. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think I have struck out everything that needs it now. It looks like it could be appropriate to mention this one in the lead, making defining per
WP:DEFINING. dawnleelynn(talk) 22:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
@Dawnleelynn: For clarification, your "Oppose" vote is not struck out; do you still favor keeping the category? (Either way, I'm happy we came to better understand each other!). RevelationDirect (talk) 23:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect: I was trying to take a look at the external hall of fame but it was having issues. I was still undecided about its appropriateness as a mention in the lead or not. I'll try to figure that out as soon as I can, thanks! dawnleelynn(talk) 00:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, in looking over the hall of fame website, the entity has taken great care in writing extensive induction pages for each inductee. These inductions are based on total lifetime achievements yes, but also on much more as in lifetime contributions to the sport and records broken and accomplishments that are not awarded. Therefore, the hall of fame does more than echo the fame of the awards of the inductee. Also, I find that this is the top hall of fame in this field, thus more significant and also appropriate to be mentioned in the lead, per
WP:MOTORSPORT, a subject-specific notability guideline which makes the hall notable enough to make its inductees worthy of articles. So my oppose earlier stands. 16:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)dawnleelynn(talk)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People associated with Carl Michael Bellman

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Textboook
WP:OCASSOC --woodensuperman 13:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:SuperPower

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Stuntman (series)

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Summoner (series)

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Safecracker (series)

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:35, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Slapshdown (series)

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. Title is also a typo. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:35, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:The Book of Unwritten Tales

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:34, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Nintendogs

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:33, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Ashita no Joe

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too few articles to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Vietcong

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SURPRISE. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Tap Tap

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT, too small for a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Prototype (series)

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT - too small to require a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Transition metal oxyanions

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The result of the discussion was: restore and repopulate without prejudice to speedy renomination so that it may be discussed fully (and potentially deleted)
(non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:47, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: The category used to have nineteen members, but they were removed by JWBE, the category was tagged as being empty soon after, and it was eventually deleted under Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#C1._Unpopulated_categories. In this way, JWBE effectively bypassed WP:Categories for discussion and consensus to delete a category that he disagreed with because it didn't adhere to German Wikipedia categorization standards. This motivation can be shown from comments he made on the relevant section of his talk page, like "The categorisation in chemistry in en:wp is in general very split up, looks more like an chaotic net und has a poor systematisation. We found in de:wp a more systematic way" and "All subcategories as oxyanions, Transition metal oxoacids, Transition metal compounds, (Transition metal dichalcogenides, Dichalcogenides in other branches), etc. could be deleted.". JWBE's tendency to enforce German Wikipedia conventions, especially regarding categorization, is also found in other conversation's in JWBE's talk page, including Sorry, there will be no change and there is nothing to reconsider, … Please watch the German version: de:Kategorie:Phenol and de:Kategorie:Phenolether and the substances therein. and In de:wp we came to the conclusion to use tho oxdiation state in general, except alkali oxides, erdalkali oxides, 3d-oxides and i.e. Aluminiumoxide instead of Aluminium(III) oxide. Best practice would be, that you would completely follow to the de.wp-solution. (about how JWBE had moved Ruthenium tetroxide to Ruthenium(VIII) oxide with the edit summary Standard). Given that it seems that the category had members but was emptied by a user from the German Wikipedia as part of an imposition of German Wikipedia conventions upon the English Wikipedia, I think that we should bring the category back. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 00:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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