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Category:People with social anxiety disorder

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category per
WP:NONDEFINING. While verifiable, it is almost never associated with someone's notability: mentioned perhaps in interviews or niche health websites, but not a label commonly and consistently bestowed upon people in reliable sources. See previous related deletion discussion for Category:People with anxiety disorders (result, deleted). --Animalparty! (talk) 23:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Anti-Islam political parties in Finland

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: option A: merge per
WP:SMALLCAT, only one party; option B: delete as the party is more clearly anti-immigration than anti-Islam. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. User:Santasa99 or other editors might do well to clarify the differences between these & other related categories, especially as Category:Anti-Islam sentiment currently says "For anti-Muslim racism see Category:Islamophobia". – Fayenatic London 10:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, it is unclear what the difference is between anti-Islam sentiment and anti-Muslim sentiment and we do not have a similar distinction in other religion category trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom; no clear distinction. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge There is no clear distinction. Although we mainly do not have similar issues with other religions because most other religions do not have the same issue with two names for the same thing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comment, it occurs to me that it will be useful to leave a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - we had exactly the same discussion on the same issue twice (maybe even three times) in just two or three years (this is at least a second time), but I will try to explain again the purely linguistic dichotomy of “subject versus object”: anti-Muslim animus is directed at a person / persons / groups, and anti-Islam is attack and / or hatred directed at different aspects of that particular religion, such as practices, texts, holly places and buildings, etc. This means that the distinction cannot be more clear: anti-Muslim animus = attitudes toward a person or persons; and anti-Islam as an excessive critique of ideology, in this case religion. In practice, this means that one can express a negative attitude towards one without influencing the other, in both directions - for example, one can feel respect for the Islamic faith, but still hate members, because, just as in the case of Jews, Muslims often express their self-identification and see themselves in purely ethnic categories (culturally and in some places like the Balkans linguistically), while outsiders use this categorization even more persistently. So we have Bosnian Muslims, Albanian Muslims, Montenegrin Muslims, Bulgarian Muslims, Serbian Muslims, northern Macedonian Muslims as an ethnic category, and accordingly we have an anti-Muslim feeling expressed as pure ethnic hatred.--౪ Santa ౪99° 23:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If anything, then you should have proposed to merge the category "anti-Islam sentiment" with the category "Islamophobia" and leave a redirect (for anti-Islam.sent.), however we must have an anti-Muslim sentiment, not just because we do have other "anti -... use-some-ethnicity ... sentiment", but because we need this one.--౪ Santa ౪99° 00:23, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sorry but I am not following. Either one hates a Muslim because he is part of a religious community (Islam), or one hates him for a personal reason, e.g. because he is too noisy and disturbing his neighbours. The latter is irrelevant for this discussion, the former is what makes the two categories coincide in purpose. The fact that Muslims also have a nationality is unrelated. If one hates Albanian Muslims as a group and not, say, Albanian ex-Muslims, then it is still because they are a religious group within the Albanian nationality. By the way, if some of the content in
    WP:SUBCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • When someone's name is Muhammad and he is hurt because he is assumed to be Muslim, it is still anti-Islam sentiment despite the assumption is incorrect. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is fringe vocabulary. We would never categorize Richard Dawkins as a Christian because he labeled himself a cultural Christian once. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fringe, according to whom? Dawkins once labeled himself, but he lived his whole life as a cultural Christian - I mean how many times does it take someone to label themselves for someone else to accept their chosen identity? I wrote above about the Muslims of the Balkans, and Bosnian Muslims were primarily victims of ethnic cleansing, not religious persecution and the Crusades - hundreds of thousands died, and many others were ethnically cleansed from their homes because they were ethnic Muslims, and not necessarily believers.--౪ Santa ౪99° 14:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep' - Muslims are people and Islam is a religion. There is no confusion between the two. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:40, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Khakas musical instruments

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 26#Category:Khakas musical instruments

Category:Khakas cuisine

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 26#Category:Khakas cuisine

Category:Khakas people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 26#Category:Khakas people

Category:Prophets of the Qur'an

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Prophets of the Quran. bibliomaniac15 04:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
Duplicates Prophets and messengers in Islam
Duplicates Table of prophets of Abrahamic religions
Does not include contents of Template:Prophets in the Quran Whiteguru (talk) 12:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, not because it duplicates articles, but because the intention of the category is largely covered by another category, namely Category:Hebrew Bible people in Islam. These are Hebrew Bible people that are considered prophets in Islam. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 7#Category:Islamic figures, deletion of a category with very similar content. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Thomist philosophers

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Thomists. bibliomaniac15 04:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories appear to serve the same purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the heading of the Thomists category requires that these be philosophers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Burials at al-Baqi' cemetery

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The result of the discussion was: merge, leaving a possible rename to a fresh discussion (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Both category titles refer to the same place. It is redundant to have two separate categories for the same thing. I also propose that the merged category be renamed to "Burials at the Jannat al-Baqī cemetery" because the cemetery is most widely known as "Jannat al-Baqi" instead of just "al-Baqi" - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi Talk 07:10, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
I have tagged Category:Burials at al-Baqi' cemetery while Category:Burials at Jannat al-Baqī was already tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]
  • Comment It is NOT true AT ALL that the cemetery is most widely known as "Jannat al-Baqi'"!!! Baqi' al-Gharqad or Jannat al-Baqi', is simply better known as al-Baqi'. In my humble opinion, I think it's better to move "Category:Burials at Jannat al-Baqī" to "Category:Burials at al-Baqi' cemetery" because Jannat al-Baqi' is UNknown name, and me personally and seriously, have never heard of it before coming here!!! I would also suggest moving both of them to Category:Burials at al-Baqi' without cemetery. PS: the apostrophe ( ' ) is necessary because deleting it will completely change the pronunciation of the word and its meaning at the same time!--TheEagle107 (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Zamalek Presenter's from Egypt

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close, the categories have already been speedily deleted (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 10:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category is incorrectly designed and loops to null Whiteguru (talk) 03:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete created by an obvious Abdo Mitwally sock. Probably all of these various pages they keep recreating need to be salted. PohranicniStraze (talk) 04:09, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural comment, I will tag and list the subcategories as well:
All three have also been tagged for
WP:G5. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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