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Category:Polish enlightenment

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. ✗plicit 07:11, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Capitalisation. Nihil novi (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Capitalization seems correct. No major preference with regards to Fooian E vs E in Fooland, but per Category:French Enlightenment, Category:French Enlightenment and Category:Scottish Enlightenment, the former seems preferable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:57, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Could the article "
Enlightenment in Poland" first be moved to "Polish Enlightenment
"?
How does a category get moved to a new title?
Thanks.
Nihil novi (talk) 19:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    WP:RM procedure. If you do that then please consider my vote to be on hold pending the outcome of the RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
@
WP:RM
.
Nihil novi (talk) 18:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • A technical move of the article means there has been no discussion and so
    WP:C2D no longer applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
@Marcocapelle: Thank you. How does one now move "Category:Polish enlightenment" to "Category:Polish Enlightenment", with a capital "E"?
Nihil novi (talk) 23:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the nomination can stay here for sure. The thing is, I am not sure that enlightenment should be capitalized and I would have preferred a discussion about that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen "Enlightenment" – in the sense of a particular national Enlightenment, or of the "Age of Enlightenment" – always capitalized.
Nihil novi (talk) 08:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
alt rename per Marcocapelle. ― Qwerfjkltalk 08:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Support nom (main article moved). ― Qwerfjkltalk 18:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:INVOLVED relist to clear old CfD pages, and category tagged.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

  • Rename to Category:Polish Enlightenment now that the article has been moved. For the record I don't think it was appropriate to do a WP:INVOLVED relist to clear old CfD pages - this merely hides the problem rather than solving it. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Geography and place templates

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The result of the discussion was: Rename and merge as nominated. Marcocapelle's point is persuasive, especially as there is a Category:Place templates hierarchy within the nominated parent, and this remains a suitable parent for e.g. Category:Buildings and structures templates. – Fayenatic London 09:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, "places" are naturally a part of "geography", they do not have to be added in the name of the broader category. Likewise we have Category:Places as a subcategory of Category:Geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Geography and places are mentioned separately because some templates in this category are about geography, i.e. geographical divisions, mountains, rivers, etc (example: Category:United States mountains navigational boxes). But some are about not-geographical topics in relation to a specific place: politics, sports, arts, culture, people, health, etc (example: Category:United Kingdom television personality navigational boxes).
    The naming scheme for subcategories in Category:Wikipedia templates by topic is "foo and bar templates", where foo and bar are related, but if only one of the words was used in the name then their coverage would not be wide enough to include both foo-templates and bar-templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 00:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Naming seems unclear/confusing. That said, I'm not sure if I can think of anything better and stay within what seems to be current conventions for such cats. Maybe Geographical places and geography X templates ? Templates about geography and places (about, concerning, listing, some such)? Better suggestions most welcome. Whatever is done, place would appear to need to be changed to plural. - jc37 01:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See if there are any further suggestions about what to do...so far not really seeing any consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 04:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:School shootings committed by adults

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:NONDEF, there is nothing special about an adult being the murderer. It is also an odd subcategory of Category:Adult culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Delete per nom and NONDEF. No Great Shaker (talk) 21:13, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object -- This subject has recently been discussed. I thought we reached a consensus that we should have a split between those committed by pupils (or recent pupils) and those committed by strangers (adults). These are frequently massacres, not single murders. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Since we end up with Columbine Massacre on here. I thought I knew a lot about that, and I did not realize Kleburn and Harris were adults. They were disgrunted high school students who were still enrolled. The age of the shooter is not defining enough to make seperate categories for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:19th-century Holy Roman Emperors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 09:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, the category only contains Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor, the last Holy Roman Emperor from 1792 to 1806. He is already in the 18th-century sibling category, so this 19th-century category contributes nothing to quickly navigating between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Sibling categories do not place Francis II in the 19th-century category tree. Dimadick (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • He is already in the 19th-century tree as emperor of Austria. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Parodies of conspiracy theories

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 2#Category:Parodies of conspiracy theories

Category:Women beekeepers

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
* Propose merging Category:Women beekeepers to Category:Beekeepers
Nominator's rationale: Would seem to be a classic example of an occupation where gender is irrelevant per
Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality#Gender (in fact I have a vague memory of beekeepers being used as a specific example in one of the guidelines???) Le Deluge (talk) 10:30, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
I don't know which previous discussions were had on this subject, but the article you linked specifically mentions Category:Ice dancers shouldn't have gendered subcategories. Not arguing that those subcategories should be merged as being against Wikipedia's guidelines, I just thought it was funny that not even the guidelines you linked to are internally consistent. ReneeWrites (talk) 22:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Several of the women (as well as men) included in this category are scientists who studied bees as a subset of entomology. See Annie Betts, Eva Crane, Dorothy Galton, and Ellen Smith Tupper. Admittedly this is not true for all of them, right now the category makes no distinction between different kinds of beekeepers. But as apiculture both as a profession and as a scientific pursuit is typically a male-dominated field, I don't think having a category for women is irrelevant or superfluous any more than Category:Women farmers or Category:Women entomologists is. ReneeWrites (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is no argument, it has to be on its own merits. The entomology argument is irrelevant - they're separate things, in the same way that a zoologist is not a zookeeper. If they're entomologists, then categorise them as such. As an aside, having worked alongside bee entomologists, it fits the general pattern these days that biology is if anything more weighted to women, even if that was less true in the past. If being a women beekeeper is so unusual, then there will be media coverage specifically relating to the fact that they are women - I should know, I've had two relatives with national media coverage specifically relating to them being the first women to do their jobs - as in the actual title of the article. Good luck finding an equivalent for beekeeping, given that women have been involved with bees since the Minoans at least. Le Deluge (talk) 19:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
It's not saying "other stuff exists" so much as pointing out there's a lot of predecent for this in how similar/related categories are, well, categorized. Pointing out consistency is not an irrelevant argument, nor does simply saying my argument is irrelevant make it as such. ReneeWrites (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Women beekeepers are a topic of special encyclopedic interest and meet the criteria set out at
    WP:CATGENDER. A search on Google Scholar reveals dozens of papers addressing the topic. Beekeeping has often had a gendered history, with women in some cultures filling the role of primary beekeepeers ("A Hive of Her Own: Early Modern Women Beekeepers", Medieval Feminist Forum) even while beekeeping clubs had separate women's auxillaries.[1] Women beekeepers are studied as a facet of feminist economics, and numerous initiatives to train women beekeepers exist around the world, including some few in India, Tanzania, Cameroon and Guyana. UNESCO's Women for Bees programme trains women beekeepers and its coverage in reliable sources (Vogue, National Geographic, Harper's Bazaar) further demonstrate that women beekeepers are a topic of encyclopedic interest with gender roles that vary widely throughout the world. gobonobo + c 12:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:Films scored by Manabendra Mukhopadhyay

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These films are already listed in the article for the person. There is no need for a category ~XyNqtc 07:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Forza (series)

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Speedy move was opposed, therefore I am nominating this category for a move. There is no other topic that could be called this so it is relatively unambiguous. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Barbie Sheroes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 12:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom. Abbasulu (talk) 09:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – agree this isn't defining. A stand-alone list might be appropriate if there's enough sourcing, but I don't think
    WP:CATDEF's "commonly and consistently" threshold is met. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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