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Category:Medieval archaeological cultures

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer: 0 P, 1 C. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Archaeological cultures of Western Europe

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to
WP:NARROWCAT. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Video games with title protagonists

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Not a
WP:CATDEF by any means, video games in which the protagonist is also mentioned in the title? C'mon. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Treasure troves by country

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted * Pppery * it has begun... 00:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 8#Treasure troves by country

@GreenC You might want to move your comment to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 8#Treasure troves by country. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:00, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- GreenC 19:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people of West Asian descent

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 8#Category:American people of West Asian descent

Category:Al-Masry SC matches

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:41, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Requesting renaming of the category to Category:Al Masry SC matches, to match parent article Al Masry SC. Note that I created the target category without noticing that it was already existing but with a different name. Ben5218 (talk) 16:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Baseball at the 2015 Pan American Games templates

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT, the events sidebar and Canadian roster templates are already well-categorized, so no upmerging is needed. Frietjes (talk) 15:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Hong Kong political prisoners

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:C2C parent Category:Political repression in Hong Kong (location/authority); child Category:People convicted under the Hong Kong national security law (location/authority); most siblings siblings in Category:Political prisoners by country are already named Category:Political prisoners in Fooland. Category description: Current or former political prisoners in Hong Kong. Follow-up to the failed bundled CfR "Political prisoners by country". This one of the easier ones I wish to rename separately. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Alt Rename rationale: Consistent with cousin categories such as Category:Prisoners of war by detaining country, containing children called Category:Prisoners of war held by Fooland. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Romanian political prisoners

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:43, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: More
WP:C2C. Follow-up to the failed bundled CfR "Political prisoners by country"
, where the question was whether these categories were defined by the nationality of the prisoners, or the country they were held in (location) or by (authority), especially in the case of Polish / Poland. With Romania, I think the case is much clearer: these are all people who have been both imprisoned/detained in Romania (location) as well as by Romania (Romanian governmental authorities). In practice, these are the same; all were detained on Romanian soil by Romanian authorities. However, not all of them necessarily had "Romanian nationality".
Detailed rationale
Nationality seems not of primary importance in this tree, and there are many ambiguous examples: Dumitru Topciu (the only item directly in this category) could be categorised as Imperial-Russian, Republican-Russian, Bessarabian, Moldovan, Romanian, Gagauz (and perhaps Bulgarian) for various reasons, and if you look at the categories, he actually is. The two subcats are much clearer: Category:People detained by the Securitate and Category:People detained by the Siguranța, both of which are also children of Category:Prisoners and detainees of Romania, which is explicitly exclusively for Prisoners and detainees held by Romania. For prisoners and detainees of Romanian nationality, see Category:Romanian prisoners and detainees. If you look at various items in these subcategories, you see lots of different or double nationalities (Boris Stefanov, Bulgarian/Romanian; Elek Köblös, Austro-Hungarian/Hungarian/Romanian; Vitali Holostenco, Imperial-Russian/Ukrainian/Bessarabian/Romanian/Soviet etc.). What these three have in common is not so much Romanian nationality, much less ethnicity (they were all born in different countries with different native languages, but somehow ended up in Romania), but being suspects in the Category:Dealul Spirii Trial (parent Category:Trials in Romania) and they were all part of a larger group of Category:People detained by the Siguranța.
Proposed wording: Given all that, perhaps a more accurate description of the whole thing might be Category:Political prisoners detained in Romania by various Romanian authorities. But that would be way too wordy, so let's just stick with
WP:C2C
.
Re-parenting: The parents also need to be cleared up: Category:Political repression in Romania is correct, but just like the two subcats, Category:Romanian prisoners and detainees (=prisoners with Romanian nationality, regardless of location or detaining authority) must be Re-parented to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Romania (=prisoners and detainees held in Romania / by Romanian authorities, regardless of their nationality). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Uncontested and uncontroversial nomination.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:44, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. As much as I think Ghost Trick is good, this category only contains 3 things, one of which is a navbox. There doesn't seem to be a likelihood it will expand further, and with one game, it is dubious to call it a "franchise". In the unlikely event of a sequel, it can be revisited. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Texts of medieval France

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The result of the discussion was: delete. All of the concerns raised during the nomination have been resolved.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:45, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Unlike Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 21#Category:Texts of medieval Ireland
, which was already complicated enough, I see no way to re-purpose or refine the scope of this category into something useful. It mixes up language, country of production, and topic.
There is just nothing holding this category together, no red line. It's all vaguely "French", but in different ways, arbitrarily lumped together as a catch-all. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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