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Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Not sure why we even have this, it seems to be an extension of the POV issues plaguing Mr. Gyurcsány here and it also seems to curiously exclude Fizdez, his primary opposition. Allan Nonymous (talk) 22:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Native American characters in video games

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Effectively duplicative with the older Category:Video games featuring Native American protagonists‎, and most of the entries are video games, not characters. Delete without merging down. -- ferret (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as duplicative, as nom states. Nothing lost in deletion anyways, as there were many instances of the newer version being wrongly or poorly implemented anyways. (Many DEFINING violations.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep there's a difference between these two categories. "characters in video games" are notable characters in the game while "protagonists‎" are lead characters. By comparison, there is a category called "Category:Black characters in video games" and also Category:Video games featuring black protagonists. Native American characters in video games are a lot rarer and deserve categories to help people find them, raise awareness and for research. Artanisen (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But that's just it. How often is a game's non-protagonist side character's race going to be an DEFINING trait of a game on a whole? And as ferret notes, it doesn't make sense that your category is framed as about characters but was mostly applied to video game articles, not character articles. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that in some games the Native American character plays a (very) minor role, while in others they are an important part of the story and gaming experience. If their role is too minor then they can be removed from the category. For example in the Red Dead Redemption games and Red Dead Revolver, the Native American characters play a significant role in the storyline, but they aren't protagonists. As in defining, well the interaction between the cowboys and Native Americans is an essential part of the main story and activities. -Artanisen (talk) 22:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The counter-argument categories are populated with characters. This one is populated with video games, except for one (Nightwolf), who is in the duplicative category already. -- ferret (talk) 23:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I put Nightwolf in "Native American characters in video games", because he's an important character in Mortal Kombat, but not a protagonist. Other characters are described in the articles of the video games. If necessary more information can be added about the characters. This game Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, the title of the game "Guardian of Light" refers to the Mayan warrior named Totec. Totec is playable in cooperative play. So Totec is one of the most important characters in this game together with Lara Croft. In Shadow Hearts: From the New World, the protagonist is Johnny Garland, while Shania is his female counterpart. Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption 2, each have a couple of important native American characters. Without these characters the story wouldn't work. - Artanisen (talk) 09:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, if it is not about a protagonist then it is nor a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - when I first read this category title, I thought it was for Native American characters who debuted in video games, not for video games with Native American characters. Maybe the category could just be redefined. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree, but I believe that the necessary reworking would pretty much lead us to the category ferret noted already exists. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Note that Category:Fictional Native American people in video games already exists for categorizing characters (not necessarily the games they are part of), although note hatnote that this category is for A) American Indians in the United States, and B) Is not for fictional characters merely "coded" with some American Indian attributes. I suspect that this category might be a better use of what the category creator intended. SnowFire (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, Category:Fictional Native American people in video games has a lot of overlap with this category. Usually the term "character" is used for video game characters instead of "Fictional people". Native American usually refers to indigenous people from the USA. It could also be used as a broader term for indigenous people from the Americas (North, Central and South America). - Artanisen (talk) 17:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This shows further duplication with existing categories that can (and do) serve this purpose. -- ferret (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge this category into Category:Fictional Native American people in video games. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On a somewhat related subject, I think we should also discuss proposing a merger of Category:Fictional Native American women into Category:Fictional Native American people (for the same reasons that the former category Category:Fictional Jewish women was merged into Category:Fictional Jews). AHI-3000 (talk) 17:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

Category:Feminist historians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Feminist historians

Category:Feminist philosophers

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist philosophy rather than a category of philosophers who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:International Booker Prize winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Feminist theologians

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist theology rather than a category of theologians who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Fellowship

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Category:People associated with identity politics

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, largely overlaps with the much better expanded tree of
WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Odisha Sahitya Akademi

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will manually recategorize
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category contains only one item. PepperBeast (talk) 20:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom but add the article to the parent categories manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Israel Prize in translation recipients

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category contains only one article PepperBeast (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: There's not enough content to justify this level of diffusion. Please be aware that the IP making all of these requests is being extremely disruptive on CFD. And is evading their block Mason (talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • With eight and six articles respectively (and more to come) would you consider differently? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Define what's "not enough content". There are many churches in the oldest former colonies which date back to the 17th or 16th century. Meanwhile @Samasongarrison please clarify your point about IP being disruptive. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To the closer, the ip is most likely:
    WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
LTAHKGW? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Considering the current content of the categories, I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's fair, especially now that there's content. Mason (talk) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

Infrastructure

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Infrastructure

Category:French forts in the United States

Nominator's rationale: This seems anachronistic. These forts were not "in the United States" when they were built and only became so later on. User:Namiba 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not only a proposed renaming but also an extension of scope; forts in New France that were not in provinces which became the United States will be covered as a result. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which is perfectly fine. New France has never been divided in an American and a Canadian part. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Mason (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Rathores

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 18:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: delete, Rathore is not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep, cleanup, possibly rename. Looks defining for many pages in it. - Altenmann >talk 14:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:.io video games

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:.io video games

Medical schools in the Caribbean

Nominator's rationale: Merge categories with only one or two members to all parents. Rename the last
WP:C2C. – Fayenatic London 08:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
@Fayenatic london: It doesn't sound nice to lump together the BES islands with those of the CAS islands. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When you use terms that may not be common knowledge, please link them, e.g.
CAS islands
.
Sorry if IYHO it doesn't sound nice to use Dutch Caribbean, but setting up a separate sub-hierarchy for Caribbean Netherlands would require many perpetually small categories. The best hierarchy we have is Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Well at least I still support merging, even if one of the merge targets (Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean versus Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean) is disputable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Category:Medical schools in Sint Maarten and keep it under Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools by country (along with Category:Medical schools in Curaçao and Category:Medical schools in Aruba). Group medical schools of the BES islands under Caribbean Netherlands and keep them under both Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 16:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just as obiter dictum, should Category:Dutch Caribbean be kept just to hold a small number of subcategories and topics that are common to both BES and CAS (or ABC and SSS)? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's "non-existence" yet it's a good collective term to refer to these special municipalities altogether. It's somehow like referring to an additional province although they aren't. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • A category for medical schools in the Caribbean Netherlands would be too small, as there are only 2 members in the current cats for Bonaire and Saba. If there is no consensus to merging to the intermediate level Dutch Caribbean, then revert to my original merge proposal, but omit the Netherlands category in the case of Sint Maarten. – Fayenatic London 15:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Manual purge/merge per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:USA for Africa songs

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:USA for Africa songs

Category:Taxa named by Baron Cajetan von Felder

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories – "baron" is a mere title. Micromesistius (talk) 11:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jewish nobility

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Jewish nobility

Category:Volodimerovichi family

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Volodimerovichi family

Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

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Category:Gender incongruence

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The result of the discussion was: disperse.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Merge to Transgender and medicine. This category is a based on the ICD-11 equivalent of Gender dysphoria, and is a odd carve out of the parent category. If not merged, I think it should be renamed to Gender dysphoria because the bulk of the actual contents are about dysphoria, not incongruence. Mason (talk) 00:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disperse, the category contains an odd mix of transgender-related and non-transgender-related articles and redirects. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge for now per nom. It is indeed an odd mixture. As nom says,
    gender incongruence is a redirect to a section in ICD-11, where it is called a synonym of gender dysphoria, but the article causes of gender incongruence claims it is the cause of gender dysphoria. At any rate, it's irregular to have a "causes of X" article if there is no main article of the same name. It also supports upmerging to a category where at least the article gender dysphoria itself can be found. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Disperse per Marcocapelle. -sche (talk) 02:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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