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June 25

Login unification

I have created a unified login for different accounts such as en.wikipedia.org, en.wiktionary.org, and meta.wikimedia.org After log in, I show up as having a user page on some accounts (blue), but not others (red). Is there a way to create one user page that will be active for all accounts? Or should I create each one separately? (Seems like a waste of space.)USchick (talk) 03:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can either create a redirect to your Wikipedia user page, or copy and paste your Wikipedia userpage's content. ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 03:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Interwiki redirects are not quite that simple - automatic redirects do not work between projects and/or between different language versions of each project. So for example, one's user page on
Softredirect}} templates that point, but do not automatically redirect to, other projects/language versions. – ukexpat (talk) 04:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Excuse me, I have unified login (Dark Eagle) in Wikipedia & others Wikis but in English Wikipedia someone is using this name. Can I get that account?
I ask about that therefore I have 184 active accounts on project sites. Thanks. --
89.18.196.57 (talk) 14:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

federal reserve bank application

Federal reserve bank and participant number Linden79 (talk) 04:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a question? The helpdesk is for creations related to using Wikipedia. From the text you wrote i assume you have a question that is not directly related to the helpdesk - for knowledge questions, please use the
reference desk, and make sure you describe the question as accurately as possible. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 06:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Help

Hi,

I read your faq, but it is useless as it's too hard to understand. I'd like to create a page for a band that I see is not listed in wikipedia that I really like. I want a straight, to the point answer. I'm not going to go on wild goose chases trying to figure out how the hell to create one. I'd like a simple answer on how to create a page for the band. I signed up and became a member of wikipedia, but it is useless if the faqs make no sense and I cant do what I signed up to do. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Undroath85 (talkcontribs) 06:48, 25 June 2009

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see
Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 06:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
When you've collected your sources, the best way forward is to write the draft of the article at
BencherliteTalk 07:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Wanted categories including ifexist

Hi! I wonder if there is a way to know the wanted categories including the categories tested with #ifexist. I noted that these categories appear in the Special:WhatLinksHere but not in Special:WantedCategories. Thanks. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 08:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The long time with no answers suggests nobody here can understand your question. If you want an answer, you will probably have to give a detailed example of what you are trying to do, and how what you see differs from what you want or expect to see. Ideally you should show us exactly what you are looking at. A vague general description is no good unless someone else is already thinking along whatever lines you are thinking along. It doesn't seem anyone is, hence no answer yet. For starters, please define what you mean by "to know" and "tested with". Tested by what or whom? --Teratornis (talk) 20:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I interpreted the long time with no answers as "no way/don't know"... but, you're right, I will try to explain it better. I'm speaking about the parser funcion "ifexist". As you can see at mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23ifexist: "If a page checks a target using #ifexist:, then that page will appear in the Special:WhatLinksHere list for the target page". Please note: there is no iperlink, but they appear in Special:WhatLinksHere. Well, I written a template that uses the parser function "ifexist" in order to check for the existence of some categories. These categories do not appear in Special:WantedCategories. Is there a way to see "wanted categories" just checked with ifexist? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 20:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Online Users

Is there a way to find whether a user (in wikipedia) is online ?

Some users utilize status tools (For example, i got one of the top right of my user page), but such things are entirely opt-in. The best way to determine if a user is online is checking his or her edits. If an edit is very recent the chance he or she is online is quite high. If no edits have been made in some hours, the chance they are online is low. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 09:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Default languages

I would like to suggest an option to display languages of preference on top under the languages. This would be very handy because most people use most often their own language and only a few others (most English). It should be an addition, so all the languages are also still displayed in the list. 09:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean, the languages displayed in their language? Because they do have that ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 09:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If i understand you correctly you are requesting an option that the "Languages" section is dynamically generates, based upon user preferences? In other words: That you can choose the links to other language wikipedia's?
If this is the case i would refer you to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), which is the preferred place to discuss technical changes in Wikipedia. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 09:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've transferred the question to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Default_languages
This could be done with javascript (though not by me). Algebraist 12:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputing the neutrality of an article

How can I dispute the neutrality of an article? Is there a tag that I can place on it?

I'm not sure, have you tried leaving a message on the talk page? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 09:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, {{npov}} can be used for neutrality disputation of an entire article. If you dispute just a section, you can place {{Disputedsection}} Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 09:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • A combination of both answers above is best. People can't read your mind, so even with a template, you still need to explain why you think it applies. - 131.211.210.124 (talk) 10:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User page RPP

If I wanted my user page to be protected, would the decision be made up by an sysop, or is it like deleting a page is my user page, where it's all me? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 09:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The final descision would always be made by a sysop, simply because protecting pages can only be done by administrators. Most times userpages are only protected in case there is vandalism, but sometimes there is some lenience with this. Talk pages are rarely to never protected due to concerns that IP's or new users won't be able to contact you. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 09:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Userpages can be semi-protected and/or move-protected at a user's request. Not many admins would deny that. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 09:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the request was denied... on the grounds that pages are not protected pre-emptively.
BencherliteTalk 10:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
That is correct according to
WP:PP. User pages may be protected at user's request "if there is evidence of vandalism or disruption". For the reason given in the request, there is no necessity to protect. Chamal talk 11:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
Hm, oh well. PeterSymonds (talk) 11:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to the rule book, that is The admins would know best about it and I'm not one. Chamal talk 11:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How to edit a page

I wanted to be able to 'save' a partial edit so as not to lose several hours work when pressing the wrong button, to that end I turned to the 'How to edit a page' section on the Help page (major edits), where, in the last paragraph it states: 'copy the code of the article and place it in Notepad'. My question is, what is and where is 'the code of the article' and how do I copy it into Notepad ? RASAM (talk) 12:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's everything that appears in the edit window when you click "Edit this page". All the raw text, square brackets for wikilinks and everything else you see there. I highly recommend the technique, which I use all the time :) Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
When you click the edit tab on an article, you get a box where you can edit the article text (commonly known as the editbox). The text shown here is what is meant by 'code of the article' in the page you mention. To copy it, select the part you want and then copy it by right clicking and selecting copy (or ctrl+c). Chamal talk 12:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, you could create your own sandbox, do the editing there, and when you've done editing just copy and paste onto the article page. To create your own sandbox, just click Here. PhantomSteve (talk) 13:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you do that, you could also ask here for someone to look at it, if you want to get comments about it before putting it on the main wikipedia pages. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guiding another user

What can I do to encourage a user to add content in an encyclopedic manner? I have carried out some radical copyediting on the

manual of style. I would like to avoid an edit war, yet I think the other editor transformed an OK article into something unacceptable for Wikipedia. Astronaut (talk) 12:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

I think your revert was required. I've not checked the creator's history, but if this is the only page that they have done this on, I'd just say do the edits/reverts as required, and maybe leave a message on the talk page (or the user's talk page if it exists). PhantomSteve (talk) 13:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A welcome on the user talk is always appropriate— I like {{
WP:Friendly. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Blocked user message

I recently reported an IP vandal to

WP:AIV only to find the user was blocked yesterday. How do I add the "You've been blocked" message to the user's talk page so that somone else doesn't also make another report to AIV? Astronaut (talk) 12:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

If a blocked user is reported to AIV, the report is removed by a bot. As for the talk page, the blocking admin is generally responsible for the block message. If the user has been blocked, they can't edit, which means that there shouldn't be a further AIV report, unless the user resumes vandalizing after the block lifts. TNXMan 13:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the user's talk page before submitting my report to AIV and didn't see a "You've been blocked" message. Only after the fact, did I find out the user was already blocked. Seems the blocking admin forgot to add the message to the talk page and they've now gone on Wiki-break. Should I add the appropriate message to the user's talk page to stop others making the same mistake? Astronaut (talk) 13:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, no (block messages should be left by admins in case the user requests unblocking, etc.). Realistically, I don't think it would be a problem, just as long as you're clear that you're not trying to impersonate an admin (which you obviously are not). TNXMan 14:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. To save me hunting around, what template should I use? Astronaut (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
{{
uw-block1}}. Be sure to subst. TNXMan 14:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Flagged for spam, yet I see links like mine abound on wikipedia

Hello,

I've been accused of spamming because I had added external links to the pages for the speakers my company represents with a link to the respective speaker on our company's website which includes their bio, their speaking topics, their book cover art, and their a/v requirements.

Today I am perusing the wiki entry for [Sheryl WuDunn] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheryl_Wudunn) and at the bottom of her page is a link to her speaker bureau, in fact it says, "She lectures through a speaker's bureau." with a link to that company.

I do not understand what I'm doing wrong by creating similar external links. If you could please explain this, I would appreciate it.

Diana

The relevant guideline regarding similar links is
propagandadeeds 13:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
I just have to guess that you aren't a parent or a youth leader. "Someone else does it" is a logical fallacy. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's a bit unfair. I think any person going to a place for the first time would be wise to look around to get a sense of what is and is not appropriate. While existence of something similar won't be a sufficient argument to survive deletion or editing, the question is a fair one. I think a gentler response is warranted.--SPhilbrickT 16:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ironic statement struck. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is worth a little more explanation. Many, perhaps most people learn to edit on Wikipedia by looking at what is already on Wikipedia. New users may take a bit longer to find their way to the
broken window theory follows from this. --Teratornis (talk) 20:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Horror Infobox

If there can be a Simpson character infobox, and a Sesame Street character infobox, shouldn't there be a Horror film character infobox? If someone could please create one, please design it after

Jason Vorhees's. ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 13:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

What is the benefit of such an infobox that is not already handled by
20:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
The request is about characters and not films so the question should probably be: What is the benefit of such an infobox that is not already handled by Template:Infobox character. Note that Simpsons and Sesame Street have fictional universes with multiple articles which can be tied together with links in specialized infoboxes for those universes. Unrelated horror films don't share a fictional universe. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bronchitis

Can Bronchitis be transferred within a day from one child to another child if they live in the same house?

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Bronchitis. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. TNXMan 15:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of asking random, unqualified strangers on the internet, ask your doctor. The Ref Desk is unable to provide medical advice. Astronaut (talk) 15:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bots

Resolved

If I create a bot account just used for mass edits, does it need to be registered? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 15:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Any bot account needs approval, which can be requested
here. TNXMan 15:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
Okay, it's a legit sock now ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 02:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk 1450 WMIQ website address

The Talk 1450 WMIQ website is no longer talk1450.tripod.com The new web address is Talk1450.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.96.100.22 (talk) 15:17, 25 June 2009

Fixed dead link. Thank you. Note, it would probably have been better to mention this on the WMIQ talk page. Astronaut (talk) 15:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk Page

How do you use the talk page? why do you use it? and can you talk to other wikipedia users with it?Ilovejbooboo (talk) 15:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To use the talk page for any article, click the "discussion" button at the top of the page. Then click the "+" symbol to start a new section. We use talk pages to collaborate with other editors for the improvement of articles. See
WP:TALK for more information. You can also leave a message for any editor on their personal talk page. For example, your talk page is User talk:Ilovejbooboo, where I will leave a message for you in a minute. --Kateshortforbob 16:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

General Notability, Orphan, and other article issues.

I created a page on "Paul Neebe" recently, but it came under fire from a number of issues: not citing references, general notability, orphan, no categories, and requiring cleanup. I have tried to address these issues over the past couple weeks, but there is no change on the article page; it still has all of the tags of a bad article. Will someone review the site again and make the call as to whether or not I have sufficiently addressed the problems? What is the procedure for this? 24.254.250.164 (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The tags are still there because the article still has issues. While it now has some references (and I changed the BLP tag accordingly), they are "informational" in nature and do not speak to notability per
gnoming wand). – ukexpat (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
And don't forget to log in so that you edits are properly attributed to User:Bmw9t. – ukexpat (talk) 16:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wine Distillery

Hello,

I would like to contribute on the topic of " wines with no grapes " I am the owner small winery in BC, Canada and we specialize in wines from or with herbs. Our current inventory have: Ginseng Wine, Cabernet with Ginseng Wine, Echinacea Honey Wine. We would like to share this information and also we are looking for a distribution channels. Can you help how to add this information to your Wijipedia "

Thanks,

Stan Maciaszek Aquaherbs Winery House

You will need to first
search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people
.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see
Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 18:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Thanks for offering to help. You are a "content expert," and your contributions are likely to be valuable. Please be aware that our policies can be frustrating to an expert. We do not permit you to simply assert things or to contribute "original research." Instead, we require that you cite "reliable sources." We take this approach as a matter of basic philosophy: We have no way to verify that you are who you say you are, and we have no desire to put such a mechanism in place. Therefore, we require that all facts be cited to a source ( such as a newspaper, scientific journal, or book) whose publisher does (at least in theory) have such a mechanism. Wikipedia does not say "X is true." Wikipedia says "this reliable source says X is true." If you believe you can be happy with helping us under these constraints, then welcome, and thanks. -Arch dude (talk) 02:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki's for creating

Is there anywhere that I can see if there are any Wiki's that need creating because I don't know what to create?

We have
article requirements Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 18:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
One type of article we have too few of is the glossary. See:
  • Portal:Contents/List of glossaries
    - for existing examples
  • Wikipedia:Manual of Style (glossaries)
    - for instructions on how to edit glossaries
In theory, writing a glossary on a particular topic area should be straightforward. Pick a topic you find interesting, read its article, browse through the
deleted. If starting a new glossary looks too intimidating, pick an existing glossary and see if you can add any related terms to it. You could do that by reading through the glossary, looking up the articles the terms link to, following links from them, and looking for related terms not yet in the glossary. --Teratornis (talk) 20:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

How do you stop wikipedia mobile from forcing itself on you via an iPhone 3G?

For several months I tolerated the mildly annoying banner ad for the wikipedia mobile version that appears at the top of pages accessed from an iPhone, as the G3 speed (and, from my experience, even the Edge speed) is more than adequate for downloading wikipedia pages --and the way the screen formats the page in Safari is excellent. However, in the past few weeks I've noticed that I'm often not being asked by the banner ad--wikipedia is automatically redirecting me to the lame, unnecessary mobile version --even when I'm in the middle of looking at normal pages --the added hassle of having to scroll to the bottom to "view in normal Wikipedia" is silly, and often the site will ignore the preference on the very next click. What happened? Can this be turned off permanently? Can users at least have the option to chose how we view Wikipedia without it being dictated to us? I couldn't be the only one irritated by this. Forcing a view seems rather un-wikipedia. --166.134.77.113 (talk) 19:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if this is something that is being done by Wikipedia or the iPhone. The two best places to ask would be at the
technical village pump and the computing reference desk. TNXMan 19:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
You might ask Hcatlin, as he has been making changes to the mobile stuff in MediaWiki:Common.js over the last month or so. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This started happening to me within the last couple of days, so it is most likely a javascript issue. It's extremely annoying.
cool stuff) 19:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
You are not the only one who complained about the malfunctioning of the mobile site. I remember handling at least two other cases over the past month with this exact same problem. It seems that Wikipedia redirects based upon browser tags, so that mobile systems are automatically forwarded to a mobile page. Yet the mechanism that allows you to view Wikipedia in normal mode seems to have broken as the preference resets at every new page. As Titoxd stated it might be a JavaScript error on (wikipedia's) side since these problems seem to have started after changes made on the server. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 20:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, since the complaints look to be coming at staggered times, that suggests that the bug is getting pushed out when a javascript file expires from cache (~ every 30 days) and is refreshed with the buggy version on the server.
cool stuff) 20:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_45#Auto_redirect_to_mobile_version_of_site_for_mobile_devices. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

uploading a logo to my article

I would like to know how to upload a logo for my article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by CdnDigestiveHealth (talkcontribs)

Your account has to be
spamname. – ukexpat (talk) 21:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]
Oops, it's already been deleted as spam. – ukexpat (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hi

I recently got my contribution deleted....I recently had a bad experience with a company. What do I have to do keep it on the page. Do I need an invoice number or a bill for the product I bought? I just feel that someone searching for the company should know how they do business. Does this site take reputable sources for criticism? Thank you. I apologize for the inconvenience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hikingdude1 (talkcontribs) 22:03, 25 June 2009

Sorry but Wikipedia does not include personal experience or
t c 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]

Can I narrow the "what links here" results?

When I click on the "what links here" button in an article, I'm presented with hundreds of links. Is it possible to narrow the results, e.g. by Category? (e.g., suppose I'm looking for Supreme Court cases that mention Federal Law X (centrally or tangentially); I'd start with the pages that link to Federal Law X, and then view the subset that are also part of Category:Supreme Court cases) Agradman appreciates civility/makes occasional mistakes 22:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The doctor says you need a CatScan. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hmmm this is a fabulous tool! sadly it does not have the functionality I described (intersection of Category & "what links here"), but I will familiarize myself with it for a while. Thanks. Agradman appreciates civility/makes occasional mistakes 02:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the category name appears to be
WP:EIW#Query. --Teratornis (talk) 07:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply
]