Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 October 8

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. [Non-admin close.] Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Ass cancer → Anal cancer (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Not a proper name for a redirect. Noone is going to be looking for anal cancer by searching for ass cancer. --

• Keep per
  WP:NOTCENSORED, and the fact that the two terms "ass" and "anal" are synonymous. Deleting this redirect harms those who may not know one word or the other. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete (despite my nostalgia for the creator of this redirect). "Ass" is not synonymous with "anus", and it is doubtful that anyone would seriously use "ass cancer" as a search term, even though it may provide some entertainment for sniggering schoolboys. The NotCensored shibboleth has no bearing here.
  Kablammo (talk) 20:23, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply
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• I could only partially agree with that rationale if the article "
  WP:RFD#KEEP reason 5. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]

So we should add new redirects, such as

Kablammo (talk) 13:20, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply

]

• To provide some clarity on my stance, I, more or less, agree with Thryduulf's statement below. Steel1943 (talk) 13:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment a much bigger problem than the possible offensiveness of the slang term "ass" is its imprecision: "ass cancer" might just as well be
  equine cancers
  (though as mentioned, Wikipedia has no coverage of those right now), or something else I haven't thought of

Anyway, for a medical topic it would be far better to avoid making assumptions about what exactly the reader is trying to find. I don't know whether this should seriously be a disambiguation page, or whether we should delete it (effectively telling searchers that they need to use more precise terminology). 61.10.165.33 (talk) 02:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate. Although this is often used in a juvenile way, it isn't only used in that manner. It's not an easy term to search for (I've been using "ass cancer" -wikipedia -"kick ass" -"dumb ass" -"fat ass" -"bad ass" (which will be removing some results I do want as well as those I don't). My findings are that it is used almost equally to mean colorectal cancer and anal cancer and also occasionally cancer in the buttocks (which can be one of at least two different types of cancer). Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep why do you say no one would look for this? Seems a perfectly reasonable way to look for the topic, per Steel. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 05:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Steel. My main concern with Thryduulf's proposal is that it would seem to promote the phrase. I don't really want to see "Ass cancer can refer to" on a page, not when there's already a logical target in Anal cancer. --BDD (talk) 14:29, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • @BDD: why would this be promoting the phrase? This is not an issue with any other dab page I know of, and you're apparent dislike of the phrase is not relevant to anything. The dab page could legitimately start something like "Ass cancer" is an informal, sometimes juvenile, term that can refer to... if you feel the need to be more verbose than we normally are. The problem with pointing it at Anal cancer is that that is not the primary usage of the term - colorectal cancer is equally likely to be what people using this are looking for, and there are also other types of cancer that although less likely are plausible enough that they should appear on the dab page. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would promote the term inasmuch as when someone Googles "ass cancer", they're likely to get a dab of that name as one of the top results, rather than the encyclopedic target article. (The RfD has been around long enough that the template text now shows in a search.) Calling the term juvenile in mainspace is POV. And at a glance through Google results, at least, the term does more likely refer to anal cancer. --BDD (talk) 00:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is no more relevant than any other case where someone googles a topic that has the disambiguation page primary. I haven't done the research again, so I'm a little fuzzy on the detail, but my recommendation is based on my findings when removing as much of the irrelevant results as I could. Thryduulf (talk) 00:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ThaddeusB (talk) 02:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Kana:wa → Canoe (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

What does this mean. I am getting Google search results about unrelated islands in Indonesia among other stuff. -

It probably means ‘canoe’, but in what language I don’t know. A Carib dictionary spells it ⟨kanawa⟩. A Paumarí lexicon spells it ⟨kānāʹwā⟩. Many online dictionaries, which all share a single source, spell it ⟨kana:wa⟩ and claim it is Carib. Gorobay (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This carries the language code "und" which is for "undetermined" -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 04:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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• My IPA is rusty, if that's even what this is, but is this a rendition of Kanawha? If so, retargeting to that dab might work. According to Kanawha River, the name does derive from "Iroquoian dialects meaning 'water way' or 'canoe way'". It would seem quite a coincidence if the Carib word for "canoe" were so similar to an Iroquoian one, though stranger things have happened. Carib seems to have the stronger claim here, though if this is just one indigenous word for canoe, it should probably be deleted. --BDD (talk) 14:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If we can't figure out what this means, I'm not sure readers will either, let alone use it as a search term. --BDD (talk) 14:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy retarget to St. Andrew's Church with the agreement of the nominator and no contrary views. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 14:58, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• St. Andrew Parish Church → Parañaque Cathedral (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

I would like to delete the redirect to create future disambugation page for churches named after St. Andrew. Following WP:Commonname, the article Paranaque Cathedral does not need any redirect. Carlojoseph14 (talk) 12:51, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• retarget to the existing disambiguation page at St. Andrew's Church. Even if one didn't exist, you don't need to delete a redirect to replace it with a disambiguation page - you can just overwrite it. Thryduulf (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry, I did not see that there is an existing disambugation page. I agree with a retarget. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 13:06, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to St. Andrew's Church per Thryduulf. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:31, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Gala TV (Mexico) (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete
   ] 

• Comment XHHMA-TV also points to
  Gala TV (Mexico), so they both point to the same article. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:07, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Kankoku → South Korea (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

No affinity for Romanised Japanese -

• Commment Japan ruled Korea 1910-1945, so if this is kept, it should be retargetted to Korea under Japanese rule; however, Korea under Japanese rule appears to have been Chousen (朝鮮) not Kan (韓); so was "韓" also used to refer to Korea during the Japanese administration period? -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment For one, the Japan–Korea Treaty of 1910 (ja:韓国併合ニ関スル条約) uses "Kankoku", including in the photo. 野狼院ひさし _{Hisashi Yarouin} 15:10, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

WP:CIRCULAR

, but the paragraph cites sources) Japanese stopped using the name Kankoku during the colonial period:

韓国併合によって大韓帝国が消滅すると、日本は韓国の地名を朝鮮に戻し、朝鮮に本籍地を有する日本臣民となった者が法律上、「朝鮮人」と称されることになった。

Due to the annexation of Kankoku, the Korean Empire disappeared and Japan went back to using the name Chosen for Kankoku, and people domiciled in Chosen who became Japanese subjects were called "Chosen people" under the law.

Probably it's because Kankoku contained the character koku (country). Anyway, it's yet another reason why redirecting

Unification of Hispaniola. 61.10.165.33 (talk) 03:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply

]

• Do not retarget Better to delete than have a misleading redirect. Native Japanese would not expect to end up at
  use Wikipedia as a dictionary would be grossly misled by that redirect. This word does not mean "Korea under Japanese rule", it just means "Korea". 61.10.165.33 (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • It will need to be retargetted if we keep this. Native Japanese have Japanese Wikipedia, so it only matters if the Japanese term has any affinity for a particular topic in English, not as what a Japanese speaker would now use it for. The topic with affinity for Japanese is the period that Japan ruled Korea. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 04:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • "It will need to be retargetted if we keep this" ... well then the obvious solution is, delete it. Wikipedia should not be making misleading foreign-language redirects on the basis of vague "affinity" when the actual meaning of the foreign-language word is not the proposed target. The fact that "Native Japanese have Japanese Wikipedia" does not matter; the redirect you propose is misleading to English-speaking readers who do not know what "Kankoku" means and will mistakenly assume it is a valid synonym for "Korea under Japanese rule". No speakers of English or any other language use the word "Kankoku" that way, they bloody well shouldn't, and mercifully they are highly unlikely to do so in the future ... unless Wikipedia insists on creating a misleading redirect and it stupidly gets slurped up into every search engine and web-scraping dictionary in the world. 61.10.165.33 (talk) 04:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I read the above arguments as having approximately equal weight for retargetting and for deleting. Obviously we cannot do both, so more input would be helpful

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• Delete - I agree with the editor above that the proposed retargeting would imply a misleading meaning of the term.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:47, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - appears to direct readers to the content they're looking for. A more specific target would probably not do that. WilyD 11:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete, keep, and keep, respectively. --BDD (talk) 14:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Uladzimir Pucin → Vladimir Putin (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Wladimir Puttin → Vladimir Putin (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Wladimir Putin → Vladimir Putin (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Invented spelling. -

• Keep "Wladimir Putin" {{
  R from typo}} -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 07:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep last two. These seem like sufficiently plausible redirects. Wladimir is the German translation of Vladimir. I know that it is not standard to have such translations, but we are talking about a prominent head of state here. -
  talk) 15:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply
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TheChampionMan1234

tagged only the first of these reidrects

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• Keep Putin - Wladimir is a common spelling. Puttin, is a plausible typo, so I'd keep that. Can't find "pucin" used anywhere, it can go. WilyD 11:19, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete the first twelve, keep the last seven. --BDD (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• 홀로코스트 → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• হলোকস্ট → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• ഹോളോകോസ്റ്റ് → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• பெரும் இன அழிப்பு → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• होलोकॉस्ट → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• यहूदी नरसंहार → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• ہولو کاسٹ → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• ھۆلۆکۆست → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• هولوکاست → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• هولوكوست → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• مرگ انبوہ → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Հոլոքոստ → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Холокост → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Холокауст → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Халакост → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Масавае знішчэнне яўрэйскага насельніцтва, 1933-1945 → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Голокост → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Голокауст → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Галакост → The Holocaust (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Not related to any of these languages. -

• Keep the last 7 The Holocaust is certainly related to
  talk) 04:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • It's also related to Serbia, Macedonia and Rusyn. In other words, the bottom seven should be kept. -
    talk) 04:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Keep the last 7, per Hoops gza.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  05:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• @
  ChampionMan1234 05:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Huh? They're the name of the Holocaust in those languages. We don't redirect random words in non-English langauges to our articles on those languages.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  06:06, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete definitely for the Korean one. For the rest, I guess TCM means to retarget the one in Russian to The Holocaust in Russia, the one in Ukrainian to The Holocaust in Ukraine and so on? Sounds logical but staying neutral for being largely uninitiated in the topic. 野狼院ひさし _{Hisashi Yarouin} 07:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all The Holocaust is not specific to any one country, but instead ravaged all of Europe, and several areas outside Europe. Only German and Jewish languages should have such redirects. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]