Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29

June 29

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 29, 2024.

Kansas City shooting

• Kansas City shooting → 2024 Kansas City parade shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This should be disambiguated. By now, this redirect no longer passes

• Keep Based on pageviews since the last RfD closed, the target still accounts for 50% of the views of the articles mentioned by the nominator. It has twice as many views as the next-most-viewed article,
  Talkback) 22:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• The insurrection → January 6 United States Capitol attack  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A classic

• Agreed. Should be retargeted to the disambiguation page. Shearonink (talk) 16:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. Clearly ambiguous. -
  Talkback) 17:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• Retarget. If the reader does want to go to the page on Jan 6, it's on the dab page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Insurrection (disambiguation) per everyone above. Which insurrection? The January 6, 2021 one certainly isn't the primary topic. Regards, SONIC678 05:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teri Chhaon Mein

• Raisi → Ebrahim Raisi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Raisi (disambiguation) → Ebrahim Raisi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A quick explainer on the history of this redirect: Initially,

I see two (or maybe three) options out of this strange pickle:

• Firstly (and what I advocate), we could restore the dab page at Raisi, and retarget Raisi (disambiguation) to Raisi. This restores the previous status quo.
• Secondly, we could have
  ten year test, despite his newfound fame due to his death. Plus, here's also the technical history of attribution when dabbing Raisi (disambiguation)
  . However, if there's enough support for it, I could see this work.
• Thirdly, and the option I'd oppose the most, we keep Raisi, speedy delete Raisi (disambiguation), and handle disambiguation via some sort of massive hatnote(s) on the article Ebrahim Raisi. The reason I'd oppose this so much is because the hatnote(s) would have to be enormous - the previous dab page had ten entries, plus one see also.

Anyways, yeah, this is complicated.

Duckmather (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option 1: Restore Raisi as a disambiguation page. Ibrahim Raisi was not primarily known by that name, so

WP:DABPARTIAL applies. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 23:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

• I think option 2 is best. The late president is certainly the primary topic here and most likely was even before his death. -
  Talkback) 12:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• Option 2, even if the president doesn't hold that much power compared to the Supreme Leader, he is still the primary topic here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• If the hatnote on top of the village article is actually correct, and there is substantial ambiguity about what a toponym of "Raisi" means in Iran, we should keep a disambiguation list. The location of the list, whether at the base name or separately, depends on whether the average English reader strongly associates the term with the person. It looks like we already have articles about Heshmat Raisi and Ahmed Naser Al-Raisi, so this word is not uncommon in anthroponymy. I'd err on the side of caution and put disambiguation at the base name, and observe traffic patterns for a few months afterwards. If we see that the preponderance of readers go for the single person, then we go for the redirect. Because of the recent death of the proposed primary topic, there's obvious WP:Recentism here. --Joy (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I just noticed that old content of the Raisi disambiguation page lists even more people, and has for a couple of years before this recent incident. [1] had no edit summary whatsoever and should have been reverted first. --Joy (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Wikipedia:VN

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• Keep Most of the incoming links are intended to go to the Visual novels task force. Breaking all of those links wouldn't be optimal. It has almost no utility, so a disambig page would not be useful compared to its maintance burden. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per Ca. I don't know the etymology of the
  WP:RSN (~10 monthly hits vs ~1500), so it doesn't look like a common source of confusion. Can't see a reason to change it, so keep. BugGhost🪲👻 07:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  I believe it means "verifiability noticeboard".

  OzzyOlly (talk) 17:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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  Oh yeah of course - thanks BugGhost🪲👻 17:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate create a new redirect for Visual Novels
  WP:SURPRISE of landing at an inactive TF, instead of the country WPP or a dab page is overwhelming. Replace all existing incoming links with the new redirect. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Similar disambiguation pages in WP-space include WP:PT (with WP:PT (disambiguation) redirect) and WP:1st (disambiguation), etc -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, I'm not convinced that going back to change all the incoming links is worth it. The hatnote already takes care of people looking for
  Nickps (talk) 11:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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  It's also not possible for links in edit summaries. Those will be broken no matter what.

  Nickps (talk) 11:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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• Spirituality & Health Magazine → American Health (magazine)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Spirituality and Health Magazine → American Health (magazine)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No relation to target, not mentioned in target article. Spirituality & Health is a magazine published by Unity Church. Softlavender (talk) 03:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Spirituality and Health Magazine also exists as a redirect to the same target. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Bundled Spirituality and Health Magazine.
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Partisan movement

• Partisan movement → Yugoslav Partisans  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Partisan or Partisan (military). My impression is that "Partisan movement" is a generic concept that does not imply Yugoslavia. For example, it could refer to Italian partisans, among others. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but add a hatnote. Searches indicate that the current target is the clear primary topic for this term, but there should be a hatnote either to an existing dab page or a new specific one. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Retarget to partisan, as this is a generic term, and this is not the Balkan-topics-only Wikipedia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
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• Retarget to the Partisan DAB, as it is a generic term, and the searcher could be looking for anything that's there. Fieari (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  They could be, but the evidence is that the majority of them aren't - see

  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Retarget to partisan DAB; the phrase is simply too generic. "Partisan movement" could easily refer to the WW2 partisans across Europe, the current partisans in Russia/Ukraine, and any number of other conflicts. Couruu (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Once again, yes it could easily refer to many things, but the evidence is that in practice almost everybody using it is referring to one specific thing. Thryduulf (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic? Also notified of this discussion at the talk pages of the creator and the current and proposed targets.
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Skymont (microarchitecture)

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Delete, deprecated, WP:CBALL, check the talk pages for the complete rationale Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete – this redirect is definitely 'obsolete' as "Skymont" now officially refers to the E-core architecture used in Lunar Lake, see sources here: [2], [3], which is completely different to the Cannon Lake processor series. The "Skymont (microarchitecture)" redirect is especially misleading, as Cannon Lake is a microprocessor series, not a microarchitecture, which are two highly different things. Though, I should mention that this redirect doesn't need to be deleted per se for someone to create an article about the Skymont E-core architecture; you can just simply overwrite the redirect with an article. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and retarget to List of Intel CPU microarchitectures#Atom lines per anandtech and chipsandcheese establishing notability. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hmm, that would work too, but isn't it better that we delete these redirects so they are redlinks, so article creation is further encouraged? When it's a blue link, people might think there's already an article on that link. — AP 499D25 (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• See also Special:WhatLinksHere/Skymont (2024 microarchitecture). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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