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December 1st

{{Helsinki-stub}} / Category:Helsinki stubs

Not sure why this hasn't been noticed before, but there's no WikiProject Helsinki, and in nine months this category has attracted a scant 20 stubs, most of which could easily be fitted into the hardly overpopulated Cat:Finland geography stubs. I think this one could easily be culled. Grutness...wha? 12:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd noticed it, but had other things I'd rather tend to first, but since it's been nominated, delete. Caerwine 14:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I don't see why a city would have to have a WikiProject in order to have its own stub. I have created many articles as Helsinki-stubs, and I feel it helps distinguish them from Finland-stubs, which could be anywhere in Finland, even in places I've never visited. I would even prefer Tampere and Turku to have their own stubs. — JIP | Talk 15:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, they are too few. Conscious 17:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; I'm becoming less keen on our no subdivision-stubs without a wikiproject, but 20 stubs is too few to justify keeping either way. --Mairi 22:20, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
cool. Not that it matters much; I find it surprising just how insignificant matters people deal with here, following a formal sexual procedure. In any case, some justification for my opinion: 1) I'm quite sure that there are _lots_ more articles in en.wiki that could be labeled as Helsinki stubs, but haven't been yet, 2) not all the articles fit "Finland geography stubs": some of them are about restaurants and other miscellaneous places of interest, for example. --Jonik 19:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If the Helsinki-stub template and category are deleted, the Helsinki stubs that aren't about geography can be made into Finland stubs. But I still stand by my keep vote. — JIP | Talk 12:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
'delete 20? a good editor shouldve cleared it by now! BL kiss the lizard 01:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As it happened there were only five non-geographical stubs anyway, all of which now have finland-stub plus a "type"-stub (e.g., restaurant-stub). Grutness...wha? 06:06, 17 December 2005 (UTC).[reply]

December 2nd

Cat:Quaker-related stubs

It was suggested that the category be renamed.

{{Maryland-Stub}} & Cat:Maryland-related stubs

It was suggested that the stub be deleted instead.

  • Delete No WikiProject and only 4 stubs. At a minimum the template needs renaming, even if kept.
  • Delete. May be useful later, but not now if there are only four stubs. Grutness...wha? 00:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I found 93 suitable stubs relating to Maryland (ignoring biography articles). So it could certainly be of sufficient size. Whether we want state stubs is a different matter. --Mairi 03:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cat:Eastern Orthodox Christianity-related stubs

It was suggested that the category be renamed.

{{
Salvador-stub}} & Cat:El Salvador-related stubs

It was suggested that the stub be renamed as well.

{{
Hong-Kong-stub}} & Cat:Hong Kong-related stubs

It was suggested that the template be renamed as well.

TODO: 1) Change all Hong-Kong-stub to HongKong-stub 2) Move everything else out of the -related category. --TheParanoidOne 16:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Done --TheParanoidOne 18:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{PNG-stub}} & Cat:Papua New Guinea-related stubs

It was suggested that the stub be deleted instead.

  • Comment Only 24 stubs, the same as Nauru (see above) but unlike Nauri there's considerable potential for more stubs and it has a geography stub category with 76 stubs. I'm neutral on keeping it, but if kept, it should be renamed {{PapuaNewGuinea-stub}} & Cat:Papua New Guinea stubs, with {{PNG-stub}} kept as a redirect. Caerwine 21:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - this has enough potential. I've no real qualms about PNG-stub, either, since it's a very widely used abbreviation, though perhaps keeping it as the redirect only is better. Grutness...wha? 00:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, possibly rename. Firstly, there's plenty of potential for more, and it's a perfectly worthy stub topic. Secondly, I'm fairly sure that the current category is far from comprehensive; I do a bit of work in the area, and I think there's quite a few stubs in the area that just haven't been tagged. Ambi 03:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template kept. Category renamed. --TheParanoidOne 06:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Guyana-related stubs

Renamed to "Guyana stubs". See complete discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{JewHist-stub}} & Cat:Jewish history-related stubs

It was suggested that the template be renamed as well.

  • A definite rename of the category to
    Jewish-history-stub}} {{Jewish-hist-stub}}, {{Hebrew-stub}}, or {{Hebrew-hist-stub}}. The latter two have a slight advantage of separating the ethnicity form the religion, but they also get a conontation for certain branches of Christian theology that would be both too narrow and too POV that could be problematic, so I have no firm opinon as to which if the three if any would be preferable. Caerwine 21:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • rename cat, and rename template to {{Jewish-hist-stub}}, since we use hist, not history. The other suggestions overlap too much with other template names in thsi confusing part of the stubbiverse. Grutness...wha? 00:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Grutness, I do not understand what you say, what "category" should be "renamed"? What's wrong with Category:Jewish history-related stubs??? IZAK 09:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Like all other stub categories which contained the word "-related", it needs to be renamed to simply ""Jewish history stubs". And since all the other history stub templates use the form xxx-hist-stub, this should be Jewish-hist-stub. No-one is talking about getting rid of the category and stub, simply renaming them to be like all the others. Grutness...wha? 11:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Grutness's explanation now makes sense of this. IZAK 11:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep because the stub is fine, as explained in my comments to Caerwine and Grutness above. IZAK 09:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Rename to {{Jewish-hist-stub}} (as I already partly-indicated above in my initial response in any case -- just that I was concerned about possible gross mishandling of this important stub). I am changing my vote, assured by Grutness's explanation to me at User talk:IZAK#JewHist-stub at SFD IZAK 11:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC) : "Hi IZAK - you seem to be confused about what is happening at SFD. No-one is talking about getting rid of the template and category, simply renaming them to be in line with the stub naming conventions. All that means is that {{JewHist-stub}} and Cat:Jewish history-related stubs would become {{Jewish-hist-stub}} and Cat:Jewish history stubs. It would be a bit silly having this category as "xxx-related stubs" when all the others are "xxx stubs" (which they will be within a week), or having "JewHist-stub" when all other history stub subcategory templates are of the form xxx-hist-stub. I'd ask you to please reconsider your vote. Grutness...wha? 11:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)" Thanks for the input. IZAK 11:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Jewish history stubs. JFW | T@lk 10:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clear keep, and Definite oppose to the deletion of the stubcat. I realize some people are hypersensitive about the use of "Jew" as an adjective...clearly neither IZAK nor I object to it, and we're two of the most recognizable of the Jew-POV-face of WP, so to the rest of youse, I say, "chill out already!" (and I'm not even ashkenazi!!!) Yeah, the stub name isn't politically correct, but it wasn't meant to be either politically correct or incorrect...it was meant to be used as a shorthand for NPOV editors of Jewish history related stubs and articles. Chill out w/ the hypersensitivity, leave the stub and its name alone, and leave the stub cat intact. Tomertalk 10:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Changing to rename per Grutness' and Humus' responses to IZAK's recommendation. Tom<font color="#008000">ertalk 19:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Err, Tomer...I am not guilty of "Jew-POV-face" on WP -- I happen to be one of the best NPOV editors on WP of topics relating to Jews and Judaism, and I know that you are also that as well (so I will attribute your playful comments about me here to your inherently upbeat personality, and nothing else.) IZAK 10:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Keep your chin up.  :-D Tomertalk 19:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whatever you do, do not rename into Hebrews and do not attempt to separate ethnicity from religion for an ethno-religious group. I also don't have a problem with "Jew***". ←Humus sapiens←ну? 10:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would tend to rename to {{Jewish-hist-stub}}, but {{JewHist-stub}} seems fine to me. Category seems fine to me as either Cat:Jewish history-related stubs or Cat:Jewish history stubs. Absolute no on "Hebrew" which in contemporary English mainly means the language, not the people. - Jmabel | Talk 19:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as per Grutness and Humus Sapiens. Jayjg (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as it makes the category names consistent with each other. gidonb 02:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TODO: "JewHist-stub" -> "Jewish-hist-stub". --TheParanoidOne 20:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

update : Itlooks as though this discussion ended, and the necessary changes were made. Are there any loose ends, or can this discussion be archived? --EncycloPetey 06:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You can now. it still had to be orphaned and the original name deleted. That's now been done. Grutness...wha? 09:00, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Azerbaijan-stub}} & Cat:Azerbaijan-related stubs

It was suggested that the stub be deleted instead.

  • Delete Too few stubs. Caerwine 21:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I suppose there are not that many stubs, because I created the category not a few weeks ago. Where I suppose to put Azebaijan-related stubs, that are not Category:Azerbaijan geography stubs? I suggest merging Category:Azerbaijan geography stubs into the Category:Azerbaijan-related stubs abakharev 23:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's also {{Azeri-stub}} (same scope, seperate template) and {{Azeri}} (redirect) which should go, regardless of what happens with this. --Mairi 00:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Azeri-stub and Azeri, redirect Azerbaijan-stub to {{caucasus-stub}} (which is the answer to your question, Alex!) Grutness...wha? 00:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. How are people supposed to fill gaps in our coverage of underrepresented countries such as Azerbaijan if they can't find said gaps? Ambi 03:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • As with Nauru, above, the answer is that editors able to extend Azerbaijan articles are very likely to be able to also extend articles on Georgia and Armenia, and as such, having these articles in one moderately populated category rather than three sparsely populated categories helps them, as well as making in more rather than less likely that the articles will be edited, since an editor who - for example - knows a lot about Armenia but a slight amount about Azerbaijan would see these articles listed when they might not otherwise have seen them at all. Grutness...wha? 03:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete and merge with caucasus-stub. BL kiss the lizard 09:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Summary: Template redirected to {{Caucasus-stub}}. Category deleted. --TheParanoidOne 22:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
RC-stub}} & Cat:Catholic-related stubs

It was suggested that both the template and the category be renamed.

Summary: Template remained as {{

RomanCatholic-stub}} was created as a redirect tho). --Mairi 06:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

December 3rd

Galicia * stubs

To quote Mairi at WP:WSS/D: A variant of the first one ({{Galician-stub}}) was deleted a month ago, so that could be speedied. However, it's the only one of these that looks possibly viable; but there's still the issue of how to distinguish that these are for the Spanish Galicia and not the Ukrainian/Polish Galicia.

These stubs accompany a brand new WikiProject... but, as the boilerplate text for making WikiProjects states, "DO NOT simply create new stub templates, as these will probably be deleted". QED. The first of these templates is potentially viable, and there is a proposal on the table for splitting Spain's geography stubs (though it is far from clear that this would be the best way). The others are unnecessary, as the parent Spanish categories are nowhere near splittable level (270 Spanish people-stubs and 54 Spanish writer-stubs, even including the Galician ones!). In any case Spain-bio-stub wouldn't be split by region but by occupation. Given that there is a WikiProject, a simple galicia-stub (or GaliciaES-stub, perhaps?) is probably worthwhile, leading into a category called Cat:Galicia (Spain) stubs, but the others should be merged with it and then deleted. Grutness...wha? 03:09, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A definite delete on all but the root Galician stub unless a lot more can can be found. I'd prefer {{
Galicia-Lodomeria stub be needed. Caerwine 04:52, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

Logging note: All except first item deleted. This discussion has been added to the Not Deleted section as well, for completion. --TheParanoidOne 11:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 4th

{{Netball-stub}} / Netball stubs

Another one for pruning. <10 items for several months, as per this diff. The 5 stubs in the category should go back into Sports stubs. --TheParanoidOne 22:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. It's a perfectly legitimate stub category, and the only reason there's less than ten stubs is because I don't believe in creating masses of stubs; I prefer to write long articles (am I going to have to do this to get this kept?). Interested parties need to be able to find stubs in their area. Ambi 23:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Few stubs generally indicate either that the subject is of low interest or low expansion capability. I doubt the latter, but am uncertain of the former. Caerwine 03:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • its not big in a lot of countries but theres a lot of interest where it is (like NZ, Australia, England, South Africa and Jamaica). delete now but might need it later. BL kiss the lizard 05:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Also, 4 of the 5 stubs have been tagged with this since June. --Mairi 03:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Sorry, Ambi, but that's pretty much a "I find this useful" vote. A (very short) list would suffice to keep track of these, and they might well be more likely to be expanded in a somewhat broader category. Many (many) more stubs would help, as would a wikiproject (as well). If there's a feasible broader category that'd cover this, be more viable, and fit within sports stubs, I'd be fine with rescoping, but I can't think of a sensible basis to do that. Alai 08:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
journal-stub}} & Cat:Scientific journal stubs

The stub has been on the proposals page long enough that it was creatible, but the name of the template and the scope of the category don't match up with the discussion. I recommend that we rename the template to {{

journal-stub}} → Cat:Journal stubs → Cat:Journals to serve for journals in the other academic disciplines. Caerwine 06:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

  • I agree about moving {{
    sci-journal-stub}}. I will restub all the articles in the category. Bmdavll talk 06:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • I support Caerwine's suggestions. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree there's a mismatch here, but I'm not convinced we need a separate category for non-science peer-reviewed journals; would this even hit threshold? In the permanent categories, scientific journals are a large, hierarchical category, and the others are all teeny. What about, we rescope journal-stub to peer-reviewed journals in general, accordingly rename category to Cat:Journal stubs (as per permie) or Cat:Peer-reviewed journal stubs if we want to be super-clear. If these are larger than they appear after creation and sorting down, we can re-split at a later date. Alai 05:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I just did a census of the first column of the first page and found 6 stubs suitable for a general journal stub category and an additional one suitable for the science journal one. Assuming the rest of the category keeps that same rough proportion, it looks like there are about 70 non-science journal stubs. I won't promise 60 stubs, but it won't be too badly underpopulated in even a worst case. Caerwine Caerwhine 06:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 5th

{{Futurama stub}}

For a specific television series; used on 10 articles, lacks a category. However, there's no wikiproject and it's unlikely there's near 50 stubs at present, so it ought to be deleted. Even if kept, it needs to be hyphenated. --Mairi 07:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • A clear-cut delete in any millennium. Alai 08:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Useful to segregate these stubs so those particularly interested in he show can easily identify them The JPS 14:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete therell never be enough stubs for this to be a useful split. BL kiss the lizard 00:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Catalonia-bio-stub}} (no cat)

As per Galicia, below - the parent Spain bio-stub category has under 300 articles, and bio-stubs aren't split by subnational regions - even ones that used to be nations. The one stub marked with this could easily be double-stubbed with Spian-bio-stub and Catalonia-stub Grutness...wha? 05:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Send {{Catalonia-bio-stub}} to catatonia. Caerwine 05:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Alai 08:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure on this. I understand what people are trying to avoid here, but a different set of people are liable to try working on Catalan-related stubs. And not all of historical Catalonia is in Spain, some is in France. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Kosovo-stub}} / no cat

Was rejected as a proposal at

WP:WSS/P only a month ago for various reasons: lack of stubs, the name issue (Kosova or Kosovo?), and the uncertain status of the place (to quote an anon at WP:WSS/D). Delete Grutness...wha? 00:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

{{UKW-geo-stub}} and {{UKS-geo-stub}} (redirects)

Probably about time these redirects went, now that there's a bot that can clear them. They were only ever intended to be temporary anyway. Grutness...wha? 00:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 6th

Category:Malta-related stubs

This one was approved by WSS/P, but the category uses *-related. I say we speedy this one. Aecis praatpaal 21:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I followed the guidelines..
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Naming_guidelines conflicts with what I read (searching for it) Srl 22:29, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]
think i found it. Wikipedia:Stub said either x stubs or x-related stubs was ok. ive changed it. BL kiss the lizard 23:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
agree. I've created the new category and fixed the template.. searching for the guideline pages that i followed Srl 22:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I speedied it, since the template and pages have been corrected to the new category. --Mairi 02:58, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Massachusetts-road-stub}} / no cat

Partway through the xx-State-Highway-stub mess, {{Massachusetts-road-stub}} was created (with the {{sfd-t}} tag already on it), and with no category. It has 16 stubs in it, all of which are Massachusetts State Highways (Massachusetts State Routes, actually). Given the WPJ apparently prefers {{Massachusetts-State-Highway-stub}}, and there don't seem to be any stubs about Massachusetts highways that are not State Routes, it probably ought to be merged. Sam8 20:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This stub was created by a user that, when he saw that {{Massachusetts-State-Highway-Stub}} was SFDed, created this stub just in case it got deleted. Since it did not get deleted, therefore I say delete. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:22, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
Slovak-bio-stub
}}

{{

Slovak-bio-stub}} should be renamed to {{Slovakia-bio-stub}}, per the naming guidelines. Aecis praatpaal 17:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

{{Off-stub}} and Cat:New York Theatre stubs

Has been on WSS/D for just over two months now. Template is used on only one article. Iff this is to be kept, it shouldn't just be expanded, but imo it should be renamed as well: the template to {{NYC-theat-stub}} and the category to Cat:New York City theater stubs (theater being the common spelling in US English). Aecis praatpaal 17:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Theatre is perfectly fine in this case as for live acting only the -re spelling is equally common in the US and we're only talking about the category, which for the non-stub categories uniformly uses theatre. (Frankly, I would't mind dropping the theat abbreviation we've been using for theatrical stub templates in favor of theatre with a redirect from theater for the stubs that cover the US. However if kept, we should be more ambitious in the rescope and rescope it as {{US-theat-stub}} → ([noun] Cat:United States theatre stubs or [adjective] Cat:American theatre stubs) → Cat:Theatre in the United States. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Seldom used, and not really necessary. If we were going to subdivide theatre by place, then it would be by country, and given that the sole article seems to refer to a play (which could be performed anywhere), it's not really an appropriate split. BTW, that article was also a copyvio... Grutness...wha? 01:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{ContemporaryArtStub}} and Cat:Contemporary Art stubs

Malformed, not used, category only became a blue link after I added the {{sfd-c}} notice, has been on WSS/D for over three months now. Aecis praatpaal 17:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete. not a particularly useful way to split art stubs anyway, and uses that nasty little word "contemporary", which has two different and often contradictory meanings. Grutness...wha? 01:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{enyzme-stub}} (Redirect)

A misspelled redirect to {{enzyme-stub}}. Delete Caerwine Caerwhine 05:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

delete (nice new sig, BTW) Grutness...wha? 05:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, preferably speedily. Alai 05:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{tvhost-stub}} and Category:TV Show Host stubs

For "TV Show Hosts" - so I can't see any way this doesn't duplicate {{tv-bio-stub}}. I'd also argue that "host" is a pretty vague term, and not really a useful was to categorize. CDC (talk) 03:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agree on vagueness, would at least need tight wording to clarify. But it wouldn't duplicate tv-bio-, it'd be a sub-cat, and the (potential) parent is over-sized (7 pages). And it seems at least potentially useful, as it'd catch "on-screen talent" (alleged) that aren't "actors" or "newsreaders", etc). But how it's best split (by country? by role in/on TV?) is a sufficiently open-ended issue that this might be better dealt with at
    WP:WSS/P, regardless of what we do with this. Alai 04:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
The TV bios need splitting, but judging from the two stubs that this has, this at the very least severely overlaps with {{tv-journalist-stub}} which has been on the proposals page (as part of a split of {{journalist-stub}}) for about a day. Even if kept, both the template and the category are in serious need of a rename. Simpler to delete and recreate if determined to be needed later. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


{{India-eco-stub}} and Cat:Economy of India stubs

I suggest renaming to {{India-econ-stub}} and Cat:Indian economics and finance stubs, per Caerwine on WSS/D. Aecis praatpaal 17:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{ITC Entertainment Productions-stub}} and Cat:ITC Entertainment stubs

Barely used, doesn't really seem viable, cuts right across the existing hierarchy. Has a Wikiproject, but doesn't have enough articles for a Wikiproject to get its own stub. Aecis praatpaal 17:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, with support for renaming {{ITV-stub}} or an agreed short version if necessary. -- Cjmarsicano 20:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that Category:ITC Entertainment stubs now needs to be deleted, as a page move was not possible. It has been replaced with Category:ITC Distributions stubs as discussed above. Howie ☎ 03:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{ST-ep-stub}}

I believe that this one, albeit poetic, is a bit too ambiguous. ST isn't just the abbreviation of Star Trek, it's also the ISO country code for São Tomé and Príncipe, the ISO language code for Sesotho and the NATO country code for Saint Lucia. EP is usually used for the European parliament or extended play music recordings. I propose renaming this to {{StarTrek-episode-stub}}. Aecis praatpaal 23:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm half inclined to suggest that we up merge this one into {{
ST-stub}} instead (which also needs a rename) At around 400 stubs the combined stub type would not be overlarge. All the Star Trek episode stubs have "(X episode)" [where X refers to the particular series] at the end of the article name so it's not as if the episodes need a separate stub stype to be distinguishable and no other series has a seperate episode stub type. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]
  • upmerging would indeed be a reasonable thing to do. If not, then definitely rename Grutness...wha? 01:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • On a second glance, the size of these categories is fairly substantial - 250 and 140 articles for St and ST-ep respectively. Perhaps a simple rename is the better option after all. Grutness...wha? 10:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Normally, I would agree with you except that every single Star Trek episode stub ends with " episode)" in the article title, as is specified by the naming convention for episode articles of the Star Trek WikiProject. With the distinction being already made obvious, I personally would only see a reason to split off the episodes if the category were {verylarge} which at 400 stubs it is not. I've left a note on the Star Trek WikiProject talk page about this, so hopefuly we'll get some response about this from those who would be most likely to use these stubs for the intended purpose of finding articles that need improvement. Caerwine Caerwhine 21:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • upmerge to a renamed StarTrek-Stub as per User:Caerwine. DES (talk) 18:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • upmerge BL kiss the lizard 11:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 7th

{{
ST-stub
}}

Rename As mentioned below in the discussion for {{ST-ep-stub}}, this stub, which predates the naming guidelines, should be brought into compliance with the naming guidelines as {{StarTrek-stub}}. Caerwine Caerwhine 17:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • rename. Either that or make it a redirect to saint-stub to confuse the trekkies >:) Grutness...wha? 05:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Considering the reverence with which some of them hold the trinity of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, they might think such a redirect was appropriate Caerwine Caerwhine 15:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see any naming conflict issues. It's ST-stub for Star Trek stubs and St-stub for saint stubs (can stubs really be canonicised?). If you by any chance think the current title is wrong, by all means rename and redirect to StarTrek-stub. — JIP | Talk 12:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Canonize by renaming as proposed. Conscious 13:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
rename - Hayter 11:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 8th

Category:Stubs needing attention

A tad redundant, methinks. --TheParanoidOne 22:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

a tad speedied :) Grutness...wha? 23:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
twice :( Grutness...wha? 00:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nazi Germany stub articles → Category:Nazi Germany stubs

Remove the "articles" part of the name, as it's redundant. --TheParanoidOne 23:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Kurdistan-geo-stub}} / Category:Kurdistan geography stubs

For one thing, Kurdistan can refer to several different geographic areas, some of which cut across countries. Even if it just refers to the region in Iraq, Category:Iraq geography stubs has only 81 articles; also, Category:Kurdistan has only 21 articles. So it's quite unlikely to be large enough. Delete. --Mairi 02:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{EuroHist-stub}}

Unused malformed redirect of Euro-hist-stub. Delete. Grutness...wha? 10:00, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
geoscience-bio-stub
}}

I can't see any reason why this ungainly stub template shouldn't be {{geoscientist-stub}} instead. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey, I created it and that sounds like a better name to me. I have no problem with the change. Rename --Etacar11 16:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename Alai 04:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{UT-stub}}, {{UT-bio-stub}}, and {{UT-geo-stub}} (Redirects)

These are all redirects to stubs from the Utah WikiProject, and said project doesn't even mention them (save on the talk page thereof). We don't need and shouldn't want a postal abbreviation here as a special case, so delete all three. Caerwine Caerwhine 03:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A case could be made for the ease of using an abbreviation for Massachusetts or North Carolina, due to the name's length - but even then it would be against stub naming guidelines. But Utah? Make them type an extra two letters! Grutness...wha? 05:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep; no reason to delete. --SPUI (talk) 07:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete no reason to keep and reasons not to UT could be utrehct (sp?) or united states territories or tanzania (officialy United Tanzania). BL kiss the lizard 07:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Alai 04:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Europe-mil-stub}}

Somehow, when this one was made, it was made with "Europe" rather than the standard "Euro"". Rename to the more standard {{

Euro-mil-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 10:00, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

December 9th

{{District Of Columbia-stub}}

While we can argue the pros and cons of whether we should have specific state-stubs (or in this case, district-stub) without WikiProjects, this does need a rename.

WP:WSS/P about it) but this needs a rename. Grutness...wha? 00:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

I have no problem with renaming it, but let's make a redirect there to whatever the new stub is. The newcomers and non-cruftinators will be turned off to putting stubs on articles as guideposts to let others know that they're small and need to be improved, which is their only purpose anyway other than perhaps methods of categorization.
There's no need to propose anything when it can just be

done. karmafist 03:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

Rename Cat:Pub stub

As with the Nazi stub below, the category needs a rename to end in the standard " stubs" as Cat:Pub stubs Caerwine Caerwhine 04:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do we even need Cat:Pub stubs? It's only ever had a few dozen stubs, and if the London ones were in Cat:London buildings and structures stubs (where they'd probably see more action) it would reduce it to about 40 stubs in total. I wouldn't object if this one was deleted. But failing that, yes, a rename would be useful. Grutness...wha? 14:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't this already covered by the bars in {{restaurant-stub}}? Aecis praatpaal 19:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There 59 stubs in this category. Weak delete, but rename if kept. Conscious 15:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as per nom. Alai 04:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 10th

{{Denmark_bio-stub}} / Category:Denmark biographical stubs

Duplicate (except the word "Denmark" rather than "Danish") of {{Denmark-bio-stub}} and Category:Danish people stubs. Was only used by three articles, and I've assigned those to the correct stub.

  • Delete per nom. --Valentinian 10:40, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. It's too bad that this isn't speediable as a duplicate of an existing stub. Caerwine Caerwhine 10:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Newhampshire-stub}} (redirect)

Guess who? Delete. This is getting ridiculous. Karmafist seems determined to single-handedly stop all stub-sorting by having spend all our time hunting for his new creations. Grutness...wha? 23:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel that your comment about Karmafist is unwarrented. This stub redirect was originally created on December 6, which is before the other NH stub redirect was nominated for deletion. It is not a new creation. At worst, it is merely an previously unknown part of the original case. That being said, Delete. I don't think we in the NH project need that many stubs. Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 06:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Suggest nom read
    WP:DICK and change the tone of his comments and nominations in the future. —Locke Cole 10:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Could I possibly suggest that every in the NH and DC stubs votes take some time and
    cool down? Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 19:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • delete as per nom. DES (talk) 00:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'comment I've just re-edited the 30 or so non-stub geography articles that karmafist added this redirect to in the last few days - articles of the size of Barrington, New Hampshire. He seems to have done the same with {{New Hampshire-stub}}. More fun and games. Grutness...wha? 10:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a redirect. --SPUI (talk) 01:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{District of Columbia-stub}}

Not a redirect - a duplicate. Karmafist clearly decided we needed more work on this page, so there's this incorrectly named template to delete as well. If anyone wants to start an RFC against karmafist, let me know, because he's inching towards one... Grutness...wha? 23:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 11th

Rename of three Buildings and structures stub categories

Cat:Scottish buildings and structures stubs, Cat:UK buildings and structures stubs, and Cat:US buildings and structures stubs should be renamed to follow the pattern of the other buildings and structures stub categories to be Cat:Scotland buildings and structures stubs, Cat:United Kingdom buildings and structures stubs, and Cat:United States buildings and structures stubs. Not the most urgent of fixes, but as long as I noticed them while adding the new stub types for France, Italy, and Japan, I decided to bring them here. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • rename. Sounds perfectly reasonable. While we're at it, should we drop the "s" from both "buildings" and "structures"? Grutness...wha? 08:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • If we do, we'll need to bring the other eleven stubs to SfD as well. but other than that I would have no objection. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leave that for now, maybe, and just go for the renames you originally proposed - there's enough of a backlog of changes as it is. It looks like Mairi's on a wikibreak, so we're botless again :( Grutness...wha? 09:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm back now, and have the bot working away again. I probably won't have time for much other than bot work for the next week or so. --Mairi 18:38, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rename of Law-related biographical stub categories

Both Cat:Law-related biographical stubs and the newly created Cat:American law-related biographical stubs have a small problem of parentage which I noticed as I created the latter for the {{US-law-bio-stub}}. Namely what non-stub category should be its parent? The stub text suggests that Cat:Jurists would be approporiate (whihc includes lawyers, judges, and law professors, but instead the stub category had Cat:Law (which is too broad) as its non-stub parent. The parent was part of the the -related SFD of 24 November, but I've noted this nomination here. As named, the stub category would also seem to encompass non-jurists who have some relation to the law, but there do not exist non-stub categories that would correspond to that broader scope, while Cat:Jurists, Cat:American jurists and quite a number of cats in Cat:Jurists by nationality already exist. Therefor I recommend that we:

Rename to Cat:Jurist stubs and Cat:American jurist stubs and limit the scope to just jurists. This is not intended to affect the variety of redirects to {{law-bio-stub}}. Jurist is not a common enough term that I would be comfortable with ditching the redirects from alternate names in this case. If the explict scoping is not felt to be appropriate then the previously planned rename to Cat:Law biography stubs and Cat:American law biography stubs should be carried out instead. Caerwine Caerwhine 17:19, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seems reasonable to rename to something, but remember that "jurist" means something different in some countries (in commonwealth English it tends to mean someone who writes law books). Because of that, I'm not 100% convinced that that is the best name. Grutness...wha? 08:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • In that case, I'll drop my objection. Grutness...wha? 09:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 13th

{{Custom Stub}}

someones made a fix-all and confuse-everyone stub again. no catagory and this could give us several tens of thousands oif different types of catagory if it did have. luckily it was only used once. delete. can it be speedied as a recreation of something very similar thats been made before? BL kiss the lizard 05:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hooboy yes, this one is a big mess of worms. delete thoroughly. Grutness...wha? 09:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I don't see how this could be used in any correct way. So people add {{Custom Stub|veeblefetzer}} at the end of an article, and then what? How is anyone going to find a list of veeblefetzer stubs? There's no category for them, and "what links here" from {{Custom Stub}} finds every other custom stub as well. This is useless. — JIP | Talk 12:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not the worst of ones, as it does file all its stubs into Cat:Stubs and only customizes the text. (It uses includeonly to keep the template itself out of the category.) I've done the same thing on occassion, but by substing the stub template and commenting the change (see Peter of Spain). That said, non-standard template name, likely to confuse, blah, blah, delete. Caerwine Caerwhine 12:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and I am the one who created the ill advised stub, Mea Culpa, I have seen the error of my ways. I would favor it being speedily removed. — Falerin<talk>,<contrib> 14:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
South Carolina-politician-stub
}}

These templates should lose the space in their names:

Conscious 14:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 14th

Cat:Rock-album stubs

Only real problem with this is that the hyphen meeds to go. Rename to Cat:Rock album stubs. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 15th

{{Search-engine-optimization-stub}}

No category, no indication it's ever been used either. Complex name, though not malnamed. But would we ever get anywhere near enough stubs to make this worthwhile? A search-engine-stub would probably struggle to reach threshold. But a search-engine-optimisation-stub? Delete. Grutness...wha? 10:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. --Mairi 06:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
ethnic-stub}} (redirect) Cat:Ethnicity stubs & {{ethno-stub
}}

The first two need at the very least to have some cleanup done with them, even if kept. As can be seen

ethnic-stub}}. Cat:Ethnicity is the parent of Cat:Ethnic groups in the non stub categories but the two stub categories have no linkage. With the proposed {{ethno-activist-stub}} ready to be created, I discovered this situation as I was looking around to make certain I gave it the appropriate non-stub parent. Cat:Ethnicity stubs would seem to me to be a better parent for Cat:Minority rights activist stubs than Cat:Ethnic group stubs so I favor keeping the cat either with or wothout a stub template. However I see several alternatives here about what to do with {{ethno-stub
}} none of which I have a preference for at this time, but with the first two being discussed, it seemed approporiate to discuss it now.

  1. Leave {{ethno-stub}} where it is and have Cat:Ethnicity stubs be a templateless stub category.
  2. Leave {{ethno-stub}} where it is and give Cat:Ethnicity stubs a template of its very own.
  3. Rescope {{ethno-stub}} to be the stub template of Cat:Ethnicity stubs and give Cat:Ethnic group stubs a new stub template such as {{ethno-group-stub}}

I'm neutral about what to do with {{

ethnic-stub}} but I figured this was an appropriate time to discuss whether to officially bring it in out of the cold and add it to the list of approved redirects or to extinguish it. Caerwine Caerwhine 17:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

Comment It's clear that as far as {{

ethnic-stub}} redirect. Any opinions, cause without some, that part looks like it'll be closed with no consensus. Caerwine Caerwhine 19:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

Comment: I've created {{ethno-group-stub}}, but splitting the existing articles between that and {{ethno-stub}} ought to be done by hand... Mairi 22:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've orphaned {{
WP:WSS/T for population. I think the redirect can now be deleted and this discussion logged. Conscious 14:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply
]
It's not quite orphaned, thanks to the oddities of how links to redirects are handled. Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Ethnic-stub now has a few more pages listed, then it'll be orphaned. --Mairi 00:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Did you have to touch all articles with {{
ethnic-stub}}, or does Whatlinkshere list change on its own? Anyway, I sorted what was in Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Ethnic-stub Conscious 06:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply
]
I touched all the articles with in both categories. Links-to-redirects show up on the Whatlinkshere of the page that's redirected-to ({{
ethnic-stub}} isn't a redirect anymore, its Whatlinkshere gets updated when the relevant articles get touched or editted. I'll delete it now, since it's (in theory) orphanned... --Mairi 23:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply
]

December 16th

{{Kosovo-geo-stub}} / Cat:Kosovo geography stubs

We've recently twice deleted variations on a Kosovo-stub, so I doubt we want this more specific one. Also unlikely to be of sufficient size. Delete --Mairi 08:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

delete for all the same reasons that we deleted {{Kosovo-stub}}. Cat:Montenegro geography stubs is woefully undersized - this one would be far worse. Grutness...wha? 09:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for probably chronic undersizing. I don't know if I'd be opposed to this one if this were brought to the threshold level though (provided users stick by
    Kosovo and Metohija as it is). Aecis praatpaal 15:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Comment At 202 stubs, Serbia-geo-stub is hardly oversized, but with only two autonomous provinces (Kosovo and Vojvodina) I wouldn't be surprised if either had the necessary 60 stubs. However, I would ask that the usual 60 stubs be shown if we're to keep it. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • According to google, there are roughly 30 to 40 stubs in the category. There are probably quite a few red links relating to Kosovo out there, so this one might become viable. Aecis praatpaal 16:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I only noticed about 15-20 while I was swapping over the SM-geo-stub to the two separate stubs a couple of weeks ago. That google count is probably high (several of the non-Kosovo locations mentioned the place in their articles). Grutness...wha? 05:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • True. It could include Serbian towns that border Kosovo, for instance. Aecis praatpaal 09:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 17th

{{Caucasus-geo-stub}}

A redirect now to georgia-geo-stub, this hasn't been used since Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia all got their own geo-stubs. delete. Grutness...wha? 22:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{US-Mil-hist-stub}}

From the discoveries page. A miscapitalized redirect of {{US-mil-hist-stub}}. Delete Caerwine Caerwhine 22:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

one of the less useful miscapitalisations. delete. Grutness...wha? 22:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{P2P-stub}}

No category, recently created, unused. For peer-to-peer file sharing, which doesn't even have a main category. Delete; perhaps rename to {{filesharing-stub}} (or such) if that'd be viable. --Mairi 05:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{pro-life-stub}} / Category:Pro-life stubs

Newly created and added to 10 articles. Inherently POV and inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Delete —Slicing (talk) 05:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

an easy POV-target. I'd be inclined to delete them, too... but these are redlinks. What's the real names? Grutness...wha? 05:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Neutrality deleted them one minute after I posted the listing here. —Slicing (talk) 05:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
no problem, then :) Grutness...wha? 05:21, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've undeleted them temporarily, because of an out of process deletion. That said, Delete.--
Black 05:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]
Looks like Neutrality has deleted them again. Aecis praatpaal 17:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete —
talk) 05:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]
Delete with extreme prejudice. → Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 05:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with prejudice. (I wouldn't've minded seeing them stay deleted either, regardless of how out-of-process it was.) --Mairi 05:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Delete, please, and stay deleted, IAR-time. Bishonen | talk 14:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The contributor seems to be up to no good, and we are not in the business of inherently POV articles, stubby or long. Geogre 14:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete At best this should be {{abortion-stub}} for articles relating to any of the sides in this contentious issue, but it really should be brought to the prooposals page considering the potential
Delete, delete, delete. Per all delete votes above. Encourages ignoring
WP:NPOV. (Or move the category to be under Category:Pages to be deleted? No, don't.) FreplySpang (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]
Abort. The term itself is POV as it's a propaganda term used instead of the slighty less POV "anti-abortion". --carlb 05:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
college-stub
}}

college-stub redirects to university-stub but college can mean high school as well. its ambiguous and isnt being used (no articles have it) so should be deleted. BL kiss the lizard 10:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral In modern American English it is unambiguously a school of tertiary education when used in the context of education, which is the main context the word is used. I won't vote to delete it, but I wouldn't fight to save it from those who consider it too ambiguous either. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
here its just as likely to mean a high school. the nearest high schools to where i live are kavanagh college and kaikorai college. BL kiss the lizard 18:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree - In New Zealand "college" can simply mean a "more posh" high school (a collegiate school) - the same's true in Australia IIRC. It is a bit ambiguous. Grutness...wha? 22:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: If 1) nothing uses it and 2) it redirects, then losing it hurts nothing, and the people making the redirect already realized the problem of ambiguity. In the US, it currently means post-secondary education, but it didn't used to (hence the 2nd oldest public high school in the US is Baltimore City College). We gain nothing by the stub, and we contribute to confusion. Geogre 10:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cat:La Raza stubs

Was deleted. See Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Not deleted/December 2005#December 17th. Conscious 14:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

December 18th

{{VD and BE-geo-stubs}} / Category:Vaud and Berne geography stubs

For 2 geography stubs from two different Swiss cantons (Vaud and Bern). And while cantons are the logical way of splitting {{Switzerland-geo-stub}}, at < 600 articles it hardly needs splitting. And even so, I'm not sure why we'd want to combine these two, and we certainly wouldn't want that template name. Delete. --Mairi 04:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

totally unnecessary, and if we were going to split Switzerland we'd do it by individual cantons, not pairs of them. 'delete. This isn't the by the same editor who made that horrible grisons-stub a few months back is it? Grutness...wha? 09:24, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 20th

{{Canadian-bio-stub}}

Unnecessary and unused bio-stub redirect. Created two days ago. By karmafist. Sigh. Delete. Grutness...wha? 06:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{hardware-cvg-stub}} → {{cvg-hardware-stub}}

While we do have stub templates of both the form *-cvg-stub and cvg-*-stub, the former are all used for genres and the pattern has been to place the cvg component where it would in ordinary language. Since this is for CVG hardware and not for "hardware computer and video games" I recommend we rename the template and delete the original. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename and delete.
    Thunderbrand 00:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]

{{film-awards-stub}} / Category:Film awards stubs → {{film-award-stub}} / Category:Film award stubs

From plural to singular. Aecis praatpaal 14:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 21st

{{
Looney-tunes-stub}} → {{LooneyTunes-stub
}}

No hyphen, capital T, per similar names. Aecis praatpaal 16:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cat:Short films stubs → Cat:Short film stubs

From plural to singular. Aecis praatpaal 16:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 22nd

{{
world-music-song-stub}} → {{worldmusic-song-stub
}}

Rename misnamed template. --Bruce1ee 09:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Summary: Moved and redirect kept. --TheParanoidOne 22:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{American Football-stub}}

Karmafist strikes again. Delete this misnamed unused redirect. Grutness...wha? 07:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • At least this time he picked a worthy target. {{
    Amfootbio-stub}} instead. That said having a template that doesn't follow the naming guidelines 100% doesn't call for adding a redirect that violates them worse. Delete per nom. Caerwine Caerwhine 13:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete {{American Football-stub}} and {{Amfootball-stub}}, and replace them with {{AmericanFootball-stub}}. Aecis praatpaal 22:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • On second thoughts, that's a far better solution. Grutness...wha? 01:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • You mean {{Americanfootball-stub}} don't you? The football here isn't a proper noun, which is as it should be, since the rest of the world keeps telling us that there is nothing proper about our football. Caerwine Caerwhine 02:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • oops - right you are gov. Yes, it was {{Americanfootball-stub}} that I meant. Grutness...wha? 06:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • You're absolutely right, Caerwine: there's nothing proper about your football ;) I don't see why the template should be renamed to {{Americanfootball-stub}} though. Aecis praatpaal 00:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • Because the naming guidelines call for avoiding abbreviations, except those on out exceptions list. We don't use "Am" as a abbreviation for the United States, nor should we, It's an inobvious abbreviation that only a lover of jargon could love. At best I could see using an abbrevated version of "Americanfootball" to form combination stubs, but at the root level for the topic, the unabbreviated version should be available to those who don't memorize the stublist. Ideally, no one should be forced to consult the stub list to find a proper name for single hyphen stub that exists and follows the basic naming conventions. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • This one might be a bit too non-intuitive, but in some countries (such as NZ & Australia) the sport is called gridiron. We have hoops-stub for basketball... how would gridiron-stub do? Yeah, okay, I know - bad idea. Grutness...wha? 06:00, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • While I think that term is fairly well-known in the US, gridiron football indicates that it's used to also refer to Canadian football. So it might not be the best choice... --Mairi 06:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
            • Except for a few minor rule differences, the two games are essentially the same, much as rugby union and rugby league are essentially the same game. Having {{
              gridiron-stub}} as a redirect (or even the base stub) would be fine with me. Caerwine Caerwhine 07:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
              ]

December 23rd

{{Tolkienstub}} to {{tolkien-stub}}

The stub template name needs a hyphen. This is a move that has already been requested at

requested moves back in June, but nothing was done with that request. Another thing that might need fixing is the parent category, Cat:Tolkien stubs. It lists Cat:Tolkien stub as a subcategory, which is simply a redirect to Cat:Tolkien stubs. I don't believe this circular categorization is what we need. Aecis praatpaal 00:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

{{US-northeast-geo-stub}} and Cat:Northeastern US geography stubs

every state in the US NE now has its own =geotemplat and no stubs use this template any more. so why do we need it? delete BL kiss the lizard 07:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

An alternative would be to redefine the northeast for the purposes of stub sorting. While we have been using the Census Bureau's split, that was likely because map images showing the regions were already on the wiki. There are other splits out there that would include Maryland, Delaware, and DC. Delaware and DC don't yet have geo stubs of their own, so making the move would keep this stub as viable and bring the southern geo stubs down to a single page. On the other hand, making this change would involve a good deal more work. Either change scope or delete. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Lordy, it is empty! Yet another possibility might be to keep the category as a holding pen for those states, but delete the template. That would mean 1) no states in among the regions in the main US geo-stub category; 2) no constant emptying of US northeast into separate state categories. That would be a reasonable temporary solution until such times as all US states have categories (but given that Delaware has five geo-stubs, that may still be a while away). Grutness...wha? 01:01, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as holding pen regional stuff is likely to end up dumped there too. Circeus 01:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Summary: Template deleted. Category kept as a container for the individual state categories. --TheParanoidOne 15:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{New Hampshire politician-stub}}

another karmafist special. unused. misnamed. unneccesary. delete. BL kiss the lizard 06:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(rolls eyes) delete. Grutness...wha? 06:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 24th

Category:Television biographical stubs to Category:Television biography stubs

Proposed name follows the [noun]-stub model. Aecis praatpaal 00:21, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • support. makes sense to keep it consistent Grutness...wha? 00:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Caerwine Caerwhine 01:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Je crois que c'est rationnel. --Thorri 12:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I also agree that it makes sense. ( Davehard 12:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC) )[reply]
  • Support clearer name. Circeus 01:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 27th

Four Ancient Egypt stub types

Proposed today and created today. Unfortunately, between the time of proposal and creation, debate was clearly heading towards three of these being unnecessary and the fourth being made with another name. What's more, none of these have dedicated categories. None of them have been used on any articles. Grutness...wha? 11:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Ancient-Egypt-military-stub}}

If needed, it should be {{Ancient-Egypt-mil-stub}}, but with only 350 Ancient Egypt stubs, it's unnecessary - it's unlikely to get anywhere near 60 stubs. At least rename it and give it a category, but preferably delete. Grutness...wha? 11:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Caerwine Caerwhine
  • delete Circeus 01:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Valentinian 19:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete. BL kiss the lizard 08:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Grutness is very wise: stubs are meant to help people find articles in need of work, not to categorize topics endlessly. And 350 is hardly an unwiedly size for a category. -- llywrch 22:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the compliment, but it's standard stub-sorting practice, so it's not really "my" wisdom! :) Grutness...wha? 22:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Ancient-Egypt-building-stub}}

If needed, it should be {{Egypt-struct-stub}}, but at last count there were only 12 Egyptian structures, ancient or modern, with stubs, it's unnecessary. At least rename it and give it a category, but preferably delete. Grutness...wha? 11:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Ancient-Egypt-bio-stub}}

{{Greece-bio-stub}} covers both ancient and modern Greece adequately with no problems. {{Egypt-bio-stub}} - which already exists - covers both ancient and modern Egypt with no problems. Delete this one. Grutness...wha? 11:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PS - for the time being, I've made this a redirect to Egypt-bio-stub. Grutness...wha? 11:19, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a redirect from an alternate name per nom. Caerwine Caerwhine 19:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • um... how can you say "keep as a redirect per nom", when the nominator said "delete"? My redirect was only a temporary one, rather than creating a category we might have to delete again. Grutness...wha? 09:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • redirect Circeus 01:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete per nom BL kiss the lizard 08:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I might have voted "keep" on this, but I doubt Egyptian bio-stubs from other historical periods will ever grow large enough to force us to split this category again. (And if that is the case, let's make the stubs into articles!) -- llywrch 22:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the redirect. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 07:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Ancient-Egypt-mythology-stub}}

The only one which I'd vote to keep, but since we have {{Greek-myth-stub}}, {{Norse-myth-stub}} etc, this should be {{Egyptian-myth-stub}}. Rename, and give it a dedicated category. Grutness...wha? 11:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename per nom to fit the naming convention for *-myth-stub, but also keep as a redirect from an alternate name. Caerwine Caerwhine 19:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • rename no need to redirect. someoe tryingto categorize that wouldbe familiar enoughto get the right template.. Circeus 01:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is getting ridiculous. This has been re-created with the new proposed name in the middle of a vote - there is still no correct category link, and the new name has a sfd notice on it. What's more, it was recreated by copy and paste - the old template still exists. Yorktown, please stop messing around with the template in the middle of a vote! Since there is now a completely separate template with a more standard name, there's no need to keep this old one or redirect it - the situation has changed enough that we probably need to start this vote all over again... Grutness...wha? 02:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Taking a closer look, I see I misread it. I could see keeping {{
    Ancient-Egypt-myth-stub}} as a redirect from an alternate name, but not the -mythology- form. After all, we have {{Ancient-Rome-myth-stub}} instead of {{Roman-myth-stub}}. Caerwine Caerwhine 04:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • delete. BL kiss the lizard 08:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. I created the original {{Ancient-Egypt-stub}} about a year or so ago, I was amazed at how many myth-related subs about ancient Egypt there were. I suspect this will always be a large category, no matter how many are turned into articles. (As an aside, one other category whose creation is defensible would be {{Ancient-Egypt-geo-stub}} for the ancient nomes & archeological sites -- or the appropriate version per the standards.) -- llywrch 22:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • yes and no - although I see your point, we only split geo-stubs by present county, otherwise things could get very messy (for instance,a place in Turkey, could get a Turkey-geo-stub, Ottoman-geo-stub, Arabia-geo-stub, Ancient-Rome-geo-stub and Ancient-Greece-geo-stub). Keeping geo-stubs to current political boundaries keeps stub-sporting simpler without disadvantagine editrs, since if a place has a very stong link to one historical period it could be double stubbed (
      Corinium, for instance, is marked with Ancient-Rome-stub and Gloucestershire-geo-stub). Grutness...wha? 22:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
      ]
  • Rename to {{
    Ancient-Egypt-myth-stub}} would be fine as a redirect as per Caerwine. It also needs to have a category created. --Mairi 05:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]

Author's Note:

After much consideration I have decided to delete {{

Ancient-Egypt-myth-stub}}. In regards to {{Ancient-Egypt-building-stub}} there are over 60 unnamed pyramids in The Valley of The Kings that would fall under this category as well as several other Egyptian monuments. Though I will rename it {{Ancient-Egypt-struct-stub
}}. Thank you for your time.

Yorktown1776 14:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Those 60 unnamed pyramids are all located in Egypt and since {{Egypt-struct-stub}} is hardly full (it doesn't even exist yet) I fail to see the need to split off a separate stub for just Ancient Egypt at this time. Indeed, since they are unnamed, I find it highly unlikely that they are individually notable enough for each to have a separate article in a general purpose encylcopedia. Caerwine Caerwhine 19:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please wait until the sfd process is done rather than making what look like fairly arbitrary renames and other changes. Ancient-Egypt-struct-stub and Ancient-Egypt-myth-stub are still unacceptable names, so if you make those changes, they'll simply come back here to sfd anyway - making more work for everyone in the process. As to the 60 unnamed pyramids, if they do not all articles, then there is no need for a stub category for them. Also I don't know what you mean by the military stub being "removed" - it still exists and will still need to be dealt with. Grutness...wha? 23:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 28th

{{Ancient-Egypt-struct-stub}}

Seeing that {{ancient-Egypt-building-stub}} was listed for deletion (see below), the creator of it re-created it at a new name (not a redirect, a new stub!). It's still the wrong name (it would be {{Egypt-struct-stub}} if needed), and it's still not needed. Delete. Grutness...wha? 00:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 29th

{{Baseballbat-stub}}

BJAODN, anyone? Szyslak ( [ +t, +c, +m, +e ]) 12:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 30th

{{Mass-stub}} (redirect)

sadly this doesn't match the bat one for silliness. This is a redirect - ah, but to what? Massachusetts-stub, apparently (one which isn't listed as existing anywhere that I can see...). But it could just as easily refer to religious services, or to weights and measures, so it's really too ambiguous to be in any way useful. Oh, and it doesn't appear ever to have been used, either. Grutness...wha? 06:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep (but see my change below) In Massachusetts, "Mass" is very often used as a substitute for "Massachusetts." "Massachusetts" is also a very long word that is often misspelled even by Massachusetts residents. Thus, "Mass" is a useful abbreviation. -Mark Adler (Markles) 11:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Grutness. Mass is indeed frequently used for Massachusetts, and would therefore have been very useful if it hadn't also had other meanings. I'm afraid this one is too ambiguous, which is sad, because Massachusetts is indeed probably the hardest state name in the US. Perhaps {{Massach-stub}} is an option? Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 13:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Grutness and Aecis. Mass is just too frequently used for things other than Massachusetts. Also, this redirect is used on
    US-MA is a redirect to Massachusetts) or {{US-Mass-stub}}? --Mairi 19:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]

December 31st

{{Notgaybaseballbat-stub}}

Delete Duplicate of {{Baseballbat-stub}} from the same creator, but this one was apparently designed to save time by preincluding the {sfd-t} notice. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
Gloucestershire-stub}} and Cat:Gloucestershire stubs

As noted by

discoveries talk page, it's time the backlog was cleaned. This is one of the most obvious candidates. Created on September 23, used on 1 article since then. Delete. And have a happy New Year! Conscious 14:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

{{Argentina-poli-stub}} and Cat:Argentina politics stubs

Created on August 29, used on 8 articles since then. Delete. Conscious 16:17, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{
Iraq-war-stub
}}

Created on June 17, not used at all. Delete. Conscious 18:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Organometallic-compound-stub}} / Cat:Organometallic compound stubs, {{Organometallic-compound-start}} / Cat:Incomplete organometallic compound articles

These are a bit trickier. Created on October 30, used on 1 and 3 articles respectively. I think that the second pair is still in the SFD scope, as the template wording suggests. The parent type {{organic-compound-stub}} is quite populated (<700). I say we delete all these and re-create when and if it is desirable in the process of splitting {{organic-compound-stub}}. Conscious 18:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Probably need a word with the wikiproject that deals with this one, but start vs stub isn't really a useful differentiation - it reeks of stub vs substub. There may be some use of an organometallic-compound-stub sooner or later, so I'd be amenable to a merge of these two, but given how little used they are, deletion would also be a reasonable option. Grutness...wha? 23:00, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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