Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 517

how to i add reference in my article which is about myself Sagargopang1 (talk) 17:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at

Wikipedia's notability criteria

.

Moreover, please do not write articles about yourself – it is against Wikipedia's

conflict of interest policy. Joe Roe (talk

) 17:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, is there a page which lists the comments that i can make to articles - like ^{[citation needed]} for [Citation Needed] ? wildT (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You could start with

Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. --David Biddulph (talk

) 18:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Danni603 (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps the page you are looking at has been

autoconfirmed. --David Biddulph (talk

) 19:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

My article on Peter Davison (composer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davison_(composer) is up for deletion: not enough sources. This is the only Wikipedia article I have written (I don't know much about Wikipedia coding). It has been up for years with no problems. In the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources there is a template for newspaper and pdf. My idea is to link newspaper articles “dropbox/pdf” using the “newspaper template” and adding something from the articles to the bio with a link to the reference list. Davison has received many awards, which are all listed online. Can pdfs of these be listed, using the “pdf template” Do you think this will work? Or will it generate the COPYVIO text? Do I have to get permission for each item? PdmusPdmus (talk) 03:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi

WP:SOURCEACCESS and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost. Just cite them, without using a url if they are not. For example, using a {{cite news

}} template. A use might look like this:

<ref>{{cite news|newspaper=Chicago Tribune|page=B13|title=Blinders Make A Spectacle For Chicken-hearted Collectors|date=July 18, 1986|last=Gold|first=Anita}}</ref>

which would format in the references section (containing a {{reflist}} template), like this:

Gold, Anita (July 18, 1986). "Blinders Make A Spectacle For Chicken-hearted Collectors". Chicago Tribune. p. B13.

But the issue for

third parties to the topic – demonstrating that the world has taken note of the subject by detailed treatment of him in such sources. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk

) 04:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to use an existing Commons image (File:Sofortiger-Verbund.png) for an article, but it needs to be edited to change some German text into English. Is this something I need the original submitter to do? The submitter is a current Wiki member, but their Talk page is all in German & I expect they may not understand my request.

I am able to make the image edits myself, but am I then allowed to resubmit it when I don't own the copyright? Alternatively, is there someone who can help me contact the original submitter in German? Thanks Geekstreet (talk) 04:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Geekstreet. I have displayed the wikicode for the image. When you use an image from Commons, the filename automatically becomes the caption, but you can edit that caption. So, you can change that final "Sofortiger-Verbund" after "thumb" to whatever English caption you prefer. There is no need to edit the image file at Commons or to contact the German editor who uploaded the image. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks LDI. My bad, what I really should have said is that I am wanting to change the text on the actual image & not just the caption. As you can see, the image shows an industrial process, but the image text above each stage is in German. I'd like Wiki-EN readers to understand the process by editing the actual image & re-submitting it into Commons. Geekstreet (talk) 04:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Still hoping for a further response to this (clarified) query. Thanks Geekstreet (talk) 06:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

@Geekstreet: c:Commons:Requests for translation – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:05, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Finnusertop, I've fixed your link so it leads to the correct page. -- Gestrid (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello Geekstreet. That particular image has been released into the public domain, with no restrictions whatsoever. You can use it or download and modify it as you see fit, without asking anyone for permission. I suggest that you credit the original author when you upload another version, but this is a moral standard, not a legal one. Do whatever you want with it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

I have converted a wikicode into a clickable link to the image. --CiaPan (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

@Geekstreet: Most Germans and most Commons contributors know English. commons:Special:Contributions/Kopiersperre shows the editor is active and commons:User talk:Kopiersperre shows many posts in English. If you say you like the image and would like an English version for use in the English Wikipedia (I suggest linking the article) then Kopiersperre will probably be happy to make it. If you make it yourself then please use Commons:Template:Derived from. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter and Cullen. I will see if the original source is happy to assist, otherwise will try it myself & resubmit with attribution. Cheers Geekstreet (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Geekstreet, you can also ask the WP:Graphics Lab for help. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Great tip Roger - gee I've only been here a few weeks but every day I'm more impressed with just what a wonderful world Wiki is :)) Geekstreet (talk) 12:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Traffic School by Improv.

Hello. I used 13 independent, reliable, published sources, plus information coming from the business's website. I also thought I was writing with a neutral view. Can you please let me know what you think I can do to have the article accepted?

Thank you! DeborahDeborah Lockhart (talk) 00:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi

verify the content must treat the topic in substantive detail (not just merely mention it). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk

) 02:40, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

The repeated use of the TM or (r) symbols is sufficiently blatantly promotional that I would have tagged it for

speedy deletion. However, I see that it has been edited and is being worked on. Robert McClenon (talk

) 12:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi. The article for one of my favorite songs, which happens to have a very strange music video, is a stub. I am new to this, and need help, especially when adding substantial amounts of information. I want to add a section to this about the music video. But the only place I can find an article with much of a description of the music video at all, is within a Cracked.com article. Is this considered an acceptable source when it's all there is(besides the video itself)? Thanks. Yojunemeow (talk) 02:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, are music videos themselves allowed as sources? Yojunemeow (talk) 02:04, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yojunemeow. Cracked.com is a humor website and may combine something factual but amusing with other things fictional but amusing to create their style of satirical article that many people enjoy reading. I do not consider it a reliable source. As for music videos, it is hard for me to see how you could extract encyclopedic content from one. If you are thinking of referencing lyrics to a video, it is very common for people to get lyrics wrong when they listen to a song. If the music video has some sort of plot or narrative, you could summarize it neutrally, without any evaluative terminology. If no reliable sources discuss this video in detail, then a description of it probably does not belong in the encyclopedia at this time. If a music video has extensive coverage in reliable sources, then an article about that video could include a link to an official site hosting that video, but not an unofficial site. That does not seem to be the case here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. A lot of this stuff is really confusing though. But it explains why some information just isn't on here, including descriptions of music videos and stuff that are easy to check.Yojunemeow (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi I was trying to transfer some files from Indonesian Wikipedia to Wikipedia commons using tools.wmfkabs or the Move-to-commons assistant. The tool said that it would not let me finalize the transfer unless I am an authorize OAuth uploader. However when I clicked on OAuth uploader it said that the tool needed my permission to preform several things, such as high-volume editing and interacting with other commons users in my name. Should I accept or let it go. Thanks Inter&anthro (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

When a 1st draft is submitted and approved for publication in Wikipedia, what happens to the 'wordsmithing' and other minor revisions accumulated in the drafting process? 2605:E000:630E:600:48F0:16E1:6539:3B37 (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! When a draft is approved, the page is

moved to a new title. Moving a page retains the page's history, so all previous revisions and authorship can still be seen by clicking the 'History' tab at the top. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs

21:56, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. 2605:E000:630E:600:48F0:16E1:6539:3B37 (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Wikipedia keeps a history of every single edit going back 15 years. Some edits from the earliest months of the project have been lost. The vast majority of these edits are visible to public view except for a small minority involving copyright violations, threats, defamation, child endangerment and the like. It is the principle of openness and transparency. The history of articles back to the very first edit can be studied by anyone interested. Speaking as an experienced editor, this is sometimes useful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

This is also required by copyright. At Wikipedia our (mine and your) contributions, by default under our copyright notices (and other than edits too minor to qualify as protectable expression) bear dual free copyright license that allow others to use our content, so long as they comply with the licenses. I personally own the copyright to my Wikipedia contributors. You do too. Without going into too much detail, among other requirements, the licenses mandate that appropriate credit be given to the authors of the content upon any reuse. The authors of the content are the contributors of the content, shown in the page history of revisions, listing every edit made, the names of each contributor, and allow anyone to view the additions and changes made by each of them. Appropriate credit, thus, requires that any reuser hyperlink directly to the page history or to the page where the history is available from the history tab (in the case of pages with very few contributors, you can provide credit without linking by listing the usernames of each author from the page history, but you can see that that would be highly unwieldy for any page with more than a few contributors). You might still think that it's a useless waste of space, but that is why we must retain page histories; are legally required to. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:55, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

I just wanted to know why is it important to cite references in an article? Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hell walker guy (talk • contribs) 09:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

To show where the information comes from. Ruslik_Zero 09:43, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Because WP:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's fundamental policies. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, (nearly) anything in it might be wrong, Hell walker guy: it might have been altered by mistake, by a well-meaning person who has something wrong, or by a vandal. On balance, most of the information is correct most of the time, but nobody should rely on anything in Wikipedia. But if information is supported by a citation to a reliable source, the reader can in principle check its validity. --ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

i have given the notability of dj rink news paper article but still its not getting approved . Djravass (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello

your first article carefully, and use the article wizard to create a draft in Draft space where you can work on it at leisure. But most of all, I would advise you to spend a few weeks improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before you embark on the difficult task of creating a new article. --ColinFine (talk

) 15:14, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm trying to create an article and the first draft was rejected for lack of references. I did post references from news sources. I was hoping to get some specific feedback. Adam Rotenberg (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse,

Good articles about similar topics, and strive to write an article even half that good. Do not model your article on mediocre articles. We have too many of those on Wikipedia and should try to improve them instead of emulating them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

02:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

the copyright policy. You ask me on my talk page what my specific reason was for declining your draft. The lack of properly formatted references was the reason. Many new editors don't understand how important references are, or don't understand how demanding our copyright policy is. Robert McClenon (talk

) 17:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I'm trying to editing the above page and when I save my changes return as if nothing edited.

Can you help? Mohamed Helmi (talk) 17:52, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

@Mohamed Helmi:, your edits to the article were undone by another user. There are two reasons I can see.

1. You changed the ranking from 88th to 87th without quoting a source for this, and
2. Most of your changes changed existing text to capital letters. This is contrary to the manual of style
   sentence case should be used. Nthep (talk
   ) 18:37, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

I am trying to author a page for a support group of pregnancy and infant loss. However, the page has been marked for speedy deletion. Apparently what I wrote is seen as advertising. But This is really just the beginning of describing a support group that has existed for almost 6 years. I don't understand why it is seen as promotional when all I have written is why the organisation was started and what they do. Am I missing something? I thought this page would be exactly the kind of thing Wikipedia was for? The page in question is on "Daddys With Angels". Any help would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izzyonstage (talk • contribs) 18:32, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello,

verifiable, meaning that a reader can check whether everything is correct by consulting the sources that have been used to base the article on. Most of these sources should be independent of the subject (i.e. written about the organisation, rather than by it). A better approach than creating an article directly is to create a draft via Wikipedia:Articles for creation. That way, you will get feedback and the article, once accepted, will be much less likely to ever be deleted. Cordless Larry (talk

) 18:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

It seems that someone has already started a draft, at Draft:Daddys With Angels. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:47, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Izzyonstage as someone has requested the article for deletion as promotional I have moved it for you to User:Izzyonstage/Daddys With Angels where you can work on it at your leisure. I would echo Cordless Larry's concerns and add that among other things you need to remember that Wikipedia has a global readership and the article doesn't, at the moment, say which country the organisation is based in. Nthep (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

A relative minor stylistic point, but there are several incomplete sentences in the article, such as:

• "Safe in the knowledge that what members say in their respective groups will always be kept confidential";
• "All of whom share their stories and precious memories of their angels (A term used to describe a child who is no longer living) and also help to support each other through their daily struggles with grief"; and
• "From stories, pictures and poems through to peoples hobbies and interests and general conversations on various topics of surviving the grief of child loss". Cordless Larry (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi CordlessLarry, thanks.

I agree some aspects should probably be written in a different way. That Draft link may have been my original attempt. However I managed to loose where it was. Is there a way I can make the existing version private to me while I am still editing? Would be handy not to loose anything that I have already written. I have loads of other site links to add which may fulfill the citation requirement. Thanks for the info so far 82.43.204.22 (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

No, it's not possible to make drafts private. Nothing will be lost now that the article is in your user space, Izzyonstage. Also, please don't make threats such as you did here, otherwise you will find that other editors' willingness to help you is quickly diminished. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:38, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Izzyonstage. I wrote an article about a similar group, Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep (organization). I was inspired to do so after my grandson died at birth last year. I hope that reading my article will be helpful to you in writing yours. Please feel free to ask me for advice if you wish. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Promotion, and so forbidden: Wikipedia is neutral) or a page belonging to the subject - and no page in Wikipedia belongs to anybody. --ColinFine (talk

) 20:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Shanac (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

@Shanac: Welcome to the Teahouse.

For the most part, all discussion about viewpoint on Wikipedia takes place in the open. There are some subjects that may require private handling, but viewpoint is not one of them.

If you think an editor has a Conflict of Interest, there's a

WP:COI

page that can guide you about how to deal with it.

Some editors have enabled email from other users in their preferences. You can do this by choosing "Email this user" from the Tools selection in the sidebar. Look for an experienced editor, not too closely involved with the project in question, who has this enabled and they, more than likely, will be willing to advise you privately.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:38, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

I should mention the page WP:Emailing users which you probably want to read before engaging in off-wiki communications.

And I don't think I said clearly enough that you can access the "Email this user" tool while looking at the the other user's User: page or their Talk: page.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:54, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello dear editors,

I'd like to propose a new page title for

Welcome to the Teahouse,

S Khemadhammo. Have you considered listing the article at Wikipedia:Requested moves? Cordless Larry (talk

) 18:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply,

talk

) 19:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello again,

WP:RM#CM, using the code listed there on the talk page of the article. Cordless Larry (talk

) 06:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, I have done so now.

talk

) 12:02, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi I am sorry, I opened an account under Jackarmstrongartist initially to try to get this person listed within the encyclopedia as I believe he deserves a place in history.
The article is not about myself, I am not Jack Armstrong so I realized I needed a more neutral user name, I couldnt seem to delete the other account. I would love to contribute to wikipedia and have this published and would be grateful if you could use this account and this article as it has been updated taking into consideration all previous comments and advise received from other members.
None of this material is speculation, it is all based upon facts and I would be very grateful for any help or advise you can provide to assist me in getting this published.
This article is not for monetary gain by means of selling anything or promoting this individual it is just purely factual information I believe needs to heard.

Does anyone have any advice for the author? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:27, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Based on what is present in the draft at this time, I do not believe that this person comes anywhere near close to meeting our

WP:BLP, an arrest without a conviction should be handled carefully, and in itself, this arrest does not confer notability. Maybe he has disappeared, but the sources for that also seem weak. What I see at this point (and the very common name makes searching for sources difficult) is a non-notable Hollywood publicity seeker. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

02:52, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Would the author care to comment? I think that User:Cullen328 and I are in agreement that there are BLP issues that need to be touched on very carefully if at all (and one way to avoid BLP violations is to avoid coverage of the person). Also, notability is not inherited; unlike his uncle, he was never on the Moon. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

How to tag an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hell walker guy (talk • contribs) 11:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

If you mean what most Wikipedia editors mean by "tagging", it's a kind of edit. As part of your edit, you place a template {{template name goes in curly braces}} at the appropriate place in the article. Some templates, such as Wikiproject notices, go on the Talk page of the article rather than on the article itself.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:08, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Will I attend the CVU automatically?

Eddie123e (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Eddie123e. I'm afraid that I have no idea what you are talking about. The only CVU's I can find are nothing to do with Wikipedia; but this is a page for asking for help in editing Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I believe Eddie123e is speaking of

WP:CVUA, and read through on how to get started if you are interested. -- The Voidwalker ^Discuss

18:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't find a WP policy on the naming convention, but surely saying it was filmed in the United Kingdom against the Country parameter in the infobox is wrong because the United Kingdom is not a country. NB - I believe it should say England, but I haven't reverted it because it may be the policy to say UK. Any help? The film is Over the Moon.The joy of all things (talk) 09:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

PS - Happy to be proved wrong if saying UK is the case, it just flies in the face of nomenclature. It's like saying that the EU is a country when it isn't. Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, The joy of all things. The UK government has described the UK as a country made up of four countries. Whether you regard it as a country or not, it is clearly a sovereign state, unlike the EU. What do other, comparable articles use? One option would be to go for "England, in the United Kingdom", or similar. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Cordless Larry (interesting username BTW). I will leave well alone and I am suitably educated. Cheers! (Although, the Scots and Welsh might not consider themselves as being part of a country called UK! But seriously; is there a policy on WP? Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 12:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Can't find an essay/guideline for it, but generally when talking about the location, United Kingdom seems to be used on Wikipedia. Techinically both England and UK are correct. Joseph2302 12:39, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, Scotland recently voted to remain part of the UK (granted, the result might not be the same today), but I wasn't trying to tell you that you must use United Kingdom rather than England, The joy of all things - just offering my view. Does anyone else know of a relevant policy? Cordless Larry (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Best I can find is this, but it's about people & nationalities. Very rarely seen England as a location on here. Joseph2302 12:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, all. It's good to get some viewpoints and balance. Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

PS I think you will find the UK is four countries, not three. - Arjayay (talk) 18:09, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

@Arjayay: Yes, you are quite right; I was confusing United Kingdom with Great Britain as so often it is written as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 18:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)