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• Template:Maths rating/tableimage (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by RHaworth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 10:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Medal of Honor/total medals awarded (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 02:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. BattleshipMan (talk) 01:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:ModernPentathlonAt1912SummerOlympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:ModernPentathlonAt1920SummerOlympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:ModernPentathlonAt1924SummerOlympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Per this discussion but some templates have been missed out. One link doesn't warrant this box and they are all unused. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 02:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:MonthNameNumber (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 02:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Moscow - Alexandrov (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Lots of redlinks and unused route map template. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:09, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 02:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Motorway sign/image (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template. Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I forget how this was meant to help the rest of the template syntax. Agree, delete. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 23:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox Kenya county (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used on only three articles. Can be replaced by {{Infobox settlement}}, which is for "any subdivision below the level of a country"; and into which {{Infobox county}} was merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was started it with the hope that it could be used on all 47 Kenyan counties. I was not able to edit all of them by myself. I agree with the deletion. Unja1234 (talk) 07:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, makes sense Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox_themed_area (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Infobox_amusement_park (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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• Template:Multimeet (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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• Template:Mwarn (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template, it looks like it has never been used. Pkbwcgs (talk) 19:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are less than 100 links but no transclusions. Pkbwcgs (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox Omaha Neighborhood (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Singe-use wrapper of {{Infobox settlement}}. May as well be substituted then deleted. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:42, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox Kelurahan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use wrapper of {{Infobox settlement}}. May as well be substituted then deleted. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:29, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, same as the one above Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox IANA time zone (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused in article space. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:27, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 02:02, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:MyBookmarks/preload (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template. Pkbwcgs (talk) 19:27, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox comics object and title (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only two uses; can be replaced by {{Infobox fictional artifact}} (or some other suitable template). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support deletion. I've checked both usages and similar to the pulps template, they too needlessy merge two subjects together causing the infobox to be both about a "fictional artifact" and half about a publication series which is irrelevant. Infobox fictional artifact has all the information that the comic object needs (side note: if {{Infobox comics character}} does not have any publication information, this even less needs it). --Gonnym (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:Nerva–Antonine dynasty. Primefac (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Nervo-Trajanic Dynasty (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages
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• Redirect. {{Nerva–Antonine dynasty}} displays the information much more completely and clearly. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 20:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• delete per this TfD. Frietjes (talk) 16:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Both redirecting and deleting are fine with me (would essentially lead to same result). Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Ziynet Sali (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with sea of red links. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 16:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Those articles are notable and will be created soon. We don't delete navboxes just because notable articles haven't been created yet.--
  talk) 20:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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• Neutral Since the artist is a notable Turkish singer with music videos that have been watched millions of times on YouTube, one could argue that her songs are notable as well. Just give the creator more time to start working on them; of course if he really intends to create this article. Otherwise there would be no point in keeping it. Keivan.f^Talk 01:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• delete no blue links but can recreate this template after the articles is created Hhkohh (talk) 02:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete serves no navigational purpose currently. Unlike what Rapsar says, we do, as it doesn't matter to the reader now whether the articles will be created in the future. Can recreate when there are more blue links. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Anthony Appleyard (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Tpir-stub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template appears to be malformed as it places the article in Category:Stub rather than any subcategory. PamD 14:20, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And, as a stub template, it should not have been created without going through Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. PamD 14:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete should have gone through a stub sorting proposal first. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 16:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, possible G2 test. Subject doesn't have enough articles for a stub category anyway. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 08:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Horrorfest (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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• Template:Infobox film (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging

Merging templates such as these reduces the maintenance overhead, and the cognitive load on editors, and provides better continuity of layout and design to our readers, as explained at Wikipedia:Infobox consolidation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge. Only a few differences between the templates. Not enough to warrant two separate infoboxes. Anarchyte (talk | work) 12:23, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - Per nom. Also, Fantasia (1940 film) or any animation film from that era, could also benifet from the "cartoon"-specific parameters (such as |layout_artist=, |background_artist=, , |color_process = and |animator=). --Gonnym (talk) 12:47, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above. L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:56, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Some of the parameters at {{
  Infobox Hollywood cartoon}} have been dropped from {{Infobox film}}, such as the followed/preceded by parameters which were removed following a discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_film/Archive_19#Straw_poll. These parameters should not be re-introduced by the backdoor via a merge, unless the issue is revisited at the template itself. That said I would probably support the merge if this issue could be ironed out. Betty Logan (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • I have no objection to these parameters being left out of the merge. --Gonnym (talk) 13:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a "backdoor"; the discussion is advertised on the template page itself. Consensus to include, or exclude, these parameters can be reached here. It's also possible to include them but to display only when a switch is set, such as, say |type=cartoon. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, I'm in an agreement that merge that with Infobox film will take some of these necessary parameters for these Hollywood cartoons stuff. We need to solve that before we agree to merge. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Pigsonthewing, When nominating infoboxes or sidebars for merging/deletion, please select the deletion tag display "infobox/sidebar" in twinkle. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:31, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge But not the fields that have been dropped, per Betty's comments, above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to keep future styling consistent per infobox consolidation practices, adding a
  Infobox Hollywood cartoon}} and excluded from {{Infobox film}}. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Merge. The idea of a "Hollywood cartoon" doesn't sound right. Might as well be a movie. Matthew Cenance 05:36, 10 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewCenance (talk • contribs)
• Merge per above. Shim119 (talk) 11:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge for reasons mentioned by the OP and others. Both templates clearly overlap with each other and each contains parameters that would be useful to the other, and yes that includes the parameters that were dropped earlier from {{Infobox film}}. No need to maintain 2 separate templates which just puts more work on everyone to maintain them. TheSameGuy (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above.
  talk) 06:41, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Any chance for a
  WP:SNOW merge? This has been taking up space on every. Single. Film. Article. On. Wikipedia. For. Days. Ribbet32 (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Merge per above.
  talk) (contributions) 22:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Comment: Could we not spam the TFM notice all over millions of articles? It's useless crud that casual readers (the MAIN AUDIENCE of Wikipedia) don't care about. Kamafa Delgato _(Lojbanist)^{Styrofoam is not made from kittens.} 06:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considering it is only around 128k and not "millions" and that it's one small sentence which should be visible to editors so they know about this discussion, I'd say no. --Gonnym (talk) 08:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, we could, but I don't think we should. Apart from it being false tht the notice is shown on millions of articles, it's rather questionable that the merge notification is useless crud, and it's also rather questionable that casual readers don't care about it. IMO there is nothing wrong with casual readers seeing that Wikipedia is not a finished product, but a continuing work in progress. The small, unobtrusive line that shows the reader -- any reader -- that there are roadworks going on, and that you (yes, **you**, casual reader) are invited to visit a discussion of a proposed change (and possibly learn something about how wikipedia is made, who writes wikipedia, and how changes are discussed, even if they don't participate in the discussion) is IMO a feature, not a bug. 2001:1C04:1903:3900:A44C:137B:E018:F138 (talk) 12:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge, with the switch function that cymru.lass mentioned. Didn't even know that existed. But yeah, there's definitely redundancy in the templates as they are. Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 22:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• No. I've never edited a "Hollywood cartoon" article, but now I've seen the infobox template for it. First of all, what is a "Hollywood cartoon"? Is it one made only in "Hollywood" at a U.S. studio? Second, is a 7-minute 1938 Popeye the Sailor cartoon by Fleischer Studios the equivalent of Hitchcock's The Lady Vanishes? Did the production of a Popeye the Sailor cartoon entail exactly the same specialized skills as the production of The Lady Vanishes? A Popeye the Sailor cartoon is one of many in a series of 1930s-1940s Popeye cartoons -- but there is only one The Lady Vanishes feature film. Cartoons are drawn -- live action films are not. A cartoon, whether created in "Hollywood" or Japan, requires a team of talents not involved in the production of a live action film (except for those feature films that use animated opening and closing credits, such as The Pink Panther). So ... no. Cartoons and live action films are two different creatures and the infobox templates for each should not be merged into one. (And from what I've seen by looking at a handful of animated film articles such as 2013's Frozen and 2004's The Incredibles -- they're using the wrong infobox because they don't include "story artist", "layout artist", "animator", "color process", etc., fields; without which they would not exist.) Pyxis Solitary yak 03:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would you care to address the issue of the similarity of the templates, rather than giving your view of their subject matter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • No. I don't indulge in paint-by-numbers responses. Animation and live action films are different creations, and if my comment did not make it clear enough: each one entails talents and processes that are not 100% identical to the other. Pyxis Solitary yak 13:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Your comment was perfectly clear; it just didn't address relevant issues. However, your comment about Frozen and The Incredibles shows that they would benefit from the proposed merger. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:10, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pyxis Solitary, it is important to emphasis here, the discussion is not whether animated feature films should use {{
    Infobox Hollywood cartoon}} which its documentation states is used for American-produced theatrical animated short film and which in fact usage seems to suggest is even more limited in scope and meant for 1920-1950 animated shorts created by specific studios , as it doesn't cover pre-Hollywood (The Sinking of the Lusitania) or modern (Dear Basketball, Luxo Jr.) animated films, all of which use {{Infobox film}}. --Gonnym (talk) 13:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • Then merge it with a new infobox rather than have it in Infobox film. That should be compromised enough. There's a huge difference between animation and live action stuff. BattleshipMan (talk) 21:25, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Indeed there is; but that's another red herring. Meanwhile Bedknobs and Broomsticks and Pink Floyd – The Wall mix live and animated content; so a merged infobox would serve each - and others like them - better. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:13, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as per the nominator and add parameters as suggested by Gonnym excluding | followed by and | preceded by. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge, no need for a separate infobox here. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above. Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above. Mooeena ● 💌 ● ✒️ ● ❓ 04:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Infobox pulps character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Infobox character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox pulps character with Template:Infobox character.
No need to have a separate template for just 11 articles. We should also discus whether some of the 'pulp' template's parameters are excessively crufty and thus unnecessary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support merge - per nom. There really is no need for these variations, which often are the result of trying to place unrelated things into one template. This one for example is only a 1/3 actually about the character and 2/3 about "series". Could be also merged into Template:Infobox comics character (no idea why that isn't a "wrapper" of character, but that is for a different place). --Gonnym (talk) 12:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support merge: Since there isn't that many articles, then it should be merged. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support merge per nom, though Gonnym may be correct that Template:Infobox comics character is the better choice.— TAnthony^Talk 01:31, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, there have been two previous TfDs for this [1] [2] that ended in no consensus after minimal participation, but which also noted that the comic character template would be a better choice.— TAnthony^Talk 01:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support merge, not many articles and unnecessary Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Template:Add-author-I (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages
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• Template:Add-desc-I (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging

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• Template:Infobox GP2 Asia round report (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages
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• Template:Infobox GP2 round report (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 88 transclusions

Propose merging

• Support, both series now defunct, so there are not difficult to merge them into Infobox GP2 round report. Corvus tristis (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Corvus tristis: Is there a better template, that both of these could be merged into? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that these and some other inboxes are mostly based on Infobox Grand Prix race report. Probably it will be better to create one Infobox motorsport race report for all of them, if it is possible. Corvus tristis (talk) 13:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Randonly picked 4 templates and they are all pretty much the same infobox, just a bit different in visual style. Once a style and layout is picked, merging them shouldn't be that hard. Gaining the consensus for that is a different story. --Gonnym (talk) 15:44, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we should close the nomination and create another? Where we can try to reach consensus for the merging of the similar infoboxes? Corvus tristis (talk) 05:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Defered. There is a more in-depth discussion taking place regarding the future of Geobox as a whole. Please comment at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_11#Template:Geobox. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:14, 11 November 2018 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

• Template:Geobox/type/building (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Deprecated, replaced by {{infobox building}}, this page is no longer needed. – BrandonXLF ^(t@lk) 21:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, it may no longer be needed in the future, but at the moment it is used in 532 articles, see
  Fram (talk) 08:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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• This page can be
  CSDd if/when Geobox is deleted/fully deprecated. I would suggest a withdraw and/or speedy close here. --Izno (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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