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Op-ed

Article writer's guide: Biographies

This month, the Bugle kicks off a new series detailing the nuances behind certain types of articles. We'll bring you answers from some of the foremost Wikipedia writers in the areas we examine, in the hope that their advice helps you enter these areas and find success. We will be looking at biographies first, with input from experienced editors both inside and outside of military history.


Thank you for agreeing to answer some of our questions. What draws you to the biographical spectrum of Wikipedia's articles?

The range of biographies, even in just the area of military history, is quite diverse. How did you choose an area to specialize in, or what drew you to the people you write about?
  • Ian Rose:
  • Hawkeye 7:
    • Everywhere you look there are articles crying out for attention. I chose to specialise in the Southwest Pacific Area during World War II, a spin off from my doctoral thesis. I am slowly working my way through them all. The original idea was to create featured topics, but I had to accept that some of them will never make it to featured. But I got bored after a while and began dabbling on other subjects. My most recent effort has been a series of articles on the Manhattan Project. Again, the articles on topics led naturally to a set of articles on personalities.
  • Wehwalt:
    • It startles me how little work has been done on articles on very important men, the movers and shakers of their times. Very often, it is little more than the public domain biography someone uploaded to start the article, from the 1911 Britannica or the Congressional biographies, or similar. Much work needs to be done here.
  • Ed!:
    • Well, I started working in an area where I felt there was next to no good coverage (the Korean War) and once I did enough battles, it became clear that the people calling the shots in those battles needed coverage, too. Then, it became about covering anyone and everyone I could, because it gave such a brilliant mosaic of understanding the overall war.

What should be covered in a biographical article? For a military history biography, how do you structure your articles?
  • Ian Rose:
    • I don't consciously work to a formula but there are things I always try to to cover, and how well I can cover those will decide whether I take an article to FAC, or only to ACR, or only to GA. Aside from obvious things like military training, postings, promotions, decorations, and participation in major actions, life before and after the military should be covered too. Essentially I want few if any gaps in the subject's chronology. I've taken subjects to ACR and then stopped because, although I think I've covered their military life in sufficient detail for A-Class, info on their post-military career is lacking for that next step to FAC.
  • Hawkeye 7:
    • Most military biographies have the same structure. The challenge is not to merely recount biographical details, but to give the reader an enhanced understanding of the topics.
  • Wehwalt:
I don't think I've written an article on a career military man. Some of them, however, served, mostly in wartime. I do my best to put it in context. To answer the general question, what I almost always do is some variation of biography, spread over several sections, followed by some sort of legacy/analytical section. If the subject attained high office, it may be well not to go chronologically through his tenure, but rather to break it down by topic. Sometimes there are significant side issues that must be covered; my current project is Avery Brundage. In addition to him as IOC president, there needs to be sections devoted to him as art collector, and as business executive. Still working on those.
  • Ed!:
    • A lot of weight is always placed on a person who is notable entirely in their military service, but a thorough covering of their entire life is important. I find some exposition into their personality, leadership style, and accolades to be important context, too.

How much detail needs to be paid to events the subject participated in?

What kinds of sources do you recommend using?

Many military figures have official biographies online or in official sources. How do you deal with these and other possibly biased sources?
  • Ian Rose:
    • I believe we are pretty blessed in the Australian military history realm when it comes to official sources, particularly re. the Air Force, in terms of availability and neutrality. The main RAAF site is not always consistent, or up-to-date, but there is the Air Power Development Centre, which hosts a wide array of journal and book sources, many of them digitised and free to download. Then there's the Australian War Memorial, with its vast array of photographs, many in the public domain, and its digitised copies of the official Australian histories of the World Wars. Australian official histories are "official" only in that they were sponsored by the government; there's hardly been any accusation I can recall where they were considered as 'toeing the government line'.
  • Hawkeye 7:
    • Nowhere near enough in my opinion, but there has been a major push in Australia over the last two decades to produce biographies of the generals of the two world wars. They are about half way there. The Americans, unfortunately, have nowhere near as much interest in these conflicts. The most senior officers have been done, but most of the rest still await their biographers. Bias is something that historians work with all the time. Often it is just a matter of a narrow point of view, which happens all the time with primary sources. Fortunately, Australian military history has a long and proud tradition of covering "the good and the bad, the greatness and the smallness". But have to bear this in mind when dealing with people from other English speaking countries with no such tradition of openness. You also have to be cognisant of the fact that just because something is accepted by every reputable military historian does not mean that it may not come as a shock to the lay reader.
  • Wehwalt:
    • Use them for uncontested facts, information about childhood and background, and similar matters. Memoirs can be fiction.
  • Ed!:
    • Balance is incredibly important to me. My philosophy is that it isn't my job to interpret for the reader; I just need to present the information completely and let them judge the quality of each source themselves. Because of this, many of my articles will be sourced to everything I can find, and often have a note or two with caveats about which sources contradict one another.

How do you deal with with language barriers in both the subject and the sources about them?
  • Ian Rose:
    • For my subjects the issue doesn't arise.
  • Hawkeye 7:
    • The usual way is to avoid them, but I prefer tackling them head on. I studied French and Russian in high school, and have a grasp of these languages. The writer should not shy away from sources in other languages. I have also read through German and Italian sources; my article on Albert Kesselring made considerable use of these. We don't make enough use of non-English sources. I do not want the readers to be in a protective bubble wrap of English; that just breeds cultural insensitivity.
  • Wehwalt:
    • Do your best with Google translate, friendly foreign language speakers, etc.
  • Ed!:
    • It can be very frustrating. At the same time, I've learned to collaborate with language-speaking Wikipedians. For my subjects for example, Jim101 has been invaluable at finding and adding things I didn't understand.

What is the most common issue you have with a biographical article at any formal review process?
  • Ian Rose:
    • I'm assuming this means issues I find when reviewing others' biographies? Most are things I find when reviewing any article, like issues with prose, or inferring too much information from the sources cited. As far as biography-specific things go, it's generally not seeing enough context for the subject's actions or experience, or not getting enough of the human element, that is only seeing a bare recitation of events rather than some insight into the personality as well.
  • Hawkeye 7:
    • What will kill an a review of a biographical in its tracks is an obvious gap in the narrative. Fortunately, this does not occur too often, because I usually will not nominate unless I think the article is good enough. lately, the biggest hassles are over images.
  • Wehwalt:
    • Agree again with Hawkeye, sometimes long periods of people's lives are uncovered. I suspect that's more true for military service than political, though.
  • Ed!:
    • Balancing which things are most important in the biography, definitely. How much weight should be on a person's military career if it's the only reason they're notable? What if they only served a few years? How important is an analysis of their personality or their background? These questions are a moving target from article to article.

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This is a really great article. Nick-D (talk) 01:43, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, a good read. I'll be taking a lot of this on board for my own articles. Zawed (talk) 04:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to you both, I hope the ones interviewed see these posts too! If you have any suggestions for improvement in the next issue,
[majestic titan] 07:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply
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