Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2023

Is re-reviewing necessary for a redirect drive? My inclination is no. Also, should the targets for barnstars be altered given that redirect patrolling is a lot faster than article patrolling? (t · c) buidhe 23:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe I’ll deal with those things now. Thanks for pointing them out. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 07:10, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Zippybonzo! As I was poking around to set up the bot, I noticed the weeks defined in § Streak awards, and couldn't help but wonder — Week 3, from day 15 until the month's end (day 31), is more than two weeks long (longer than Weeks 1 and 2 combined!). Is this intentional? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's been copied from the previous drive (which had to end early as we were out of backlog). Give us a few days to figure out the scheme for these awards. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:03, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh; got it! Thanks, @MPGuy2824! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 12:52, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tol: we've finalised this now: Week1=1-7, Week2=8-14, Week3=15-21 and Week4=22-MonthEnd. We might have to makes changes (like last time), if we run out of backlog much before the month ends. -MPGuy2824 (talk) -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll update that now; thanks! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Week 4 seems to be missing, and it is now week 4. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 09:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see #Backlog drive - Week 2 report and announcement, below. TLDR: The rest of the month (i.e. 15 to 31) is now going to be counted as Week3. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

It would make my life as awards coordinator much simpler if we could have the top-level award for this drive be for 2000 reviews. To achieve that, we could just say that redirects are 4x easier than articles and multiply all the article backlog awards levels by 4 for this drive. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense, doing now. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 07:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like Buidhe doesn't like the name of the The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia award. We could change the name to something else (say The Order of the Superior Reviewer of Wikipedia). Or we could use the award given annually: Redirect Ninja. I'm leaning a bit towards the later. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zippybonzo: let's wrap this up before the drive starts. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:40, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824, I’m also leaning to the latter. Thanks, Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 05:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Participation

There seem to be only about 6 participants (if we don't count coordinators). I'd say that we should have the drive only we get a minimum of 10. I know that zippybonzo has an MMS going out on the 20th. Can you see if you can tweak that to say that the drive may not happen if there is low participation (indicated by the signups)? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doing now. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 07:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that was unnecessary. I guess most reviewers don't have

WT:NPP/R watchlisted even though that's a standard line in the NPP newsletter. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:01, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply

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How long do you think it will take for the backlog to go below 1000. It kinda depends on the number of participants, but if we get to 20+ participants, we might wrap this up in a week or 2. It might not make sense to do the streak awards, if so. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824 Given how many redirects come into the queue I feel 3-4 weeks, so we could just leave the streak awards and just change the week definition if needs be. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 07:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, new redirects are quite a lot. Streak weeks can be set to normal then: 1-7, 8-14, 15-21, 22-EOM. I guess we should multiply the streak levels by 4 as well. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, could I ask for clarification (not just for me, but in the published rules) of how the weekly streak awards work? In one of the recent drives I had streaks which were something like 30 - 110 - 40. I thought that would get me one (or possibly two) 25-streak and one 100-streak award, but I only got the 25-streak one because apparently all the streaks had to be above a certain threshold in order to qualify for the corresponding award. (Had I realised that, I might have spread my effort more evenly, say 60 - 60 - 60, in order to qualify for the 50-streak award.) I've no problem with it either way, as long as everyone is clear on how it works. And yes, it is all about the bling, I'm that vainglorious! :) Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@DoubleGrazing It’s the latter, for a 28 award you would need 28-28-28-28. You only get 1 streak award in the drive for having a streak for the whole drive. Thanks, Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 11:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know, having learned it. My point was, it isn't explicitly stated anywhere (that I could find, at least). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:17, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we can clarify that award with an example, in the FAQ. I'll do that tomorrow, unless Zippy gets to it first. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:27, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives#Q5. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:02, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The leaderboard should not have a column for draftify, as redirects should never be draftified. I wanted to mention it here instead of removing it from the table myself, as I wasn't sure if it would break @Tol's bot. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah; I forgot to remove that when adapting the bot to check for redirects. I'll fix that tomorrow; thanks for letting me know! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tol: Just a note regarding deletion tagging: Once a redirect has been tagged for deletion (RfD/CSD), it is no longer a redirect, according to mediawiki. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've implemented the code needed. @MPGuy2824: Yep; for deletion tagging, the code bases it on whether it was tagged with a deletion tag which is for redirects (e.g. RfD or any of the speedy deletion redirect criteria). If it's tagged with another tag, then I'm not sure how to tell whether it was a redirect or not. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 16:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's good enough. Will get back to you if this needs refinement. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tol, the bot hasn't updated the leaderboard for 6 hours. Could you please check? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824: Agh. I'll check Toolforge when I can; for now I'll try to run it manually. Thanks for letting me know. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 12:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the code that I added to check if a deletion tag is for a redirect or not was broken. I've fixed this and run it manually; I'll continue doing so until I can push this to Toolforge. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 12:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I was wondering where my reviews went. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 14:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I've pushed the new code to Toolforge, and it's running hourly again. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tol, thanks for fixing the bot updates. We have another issue: Hey man im josh said (on discord) that all his reviews are not being counted. (See [1] v/s 346 on the leaderboard). I think this is because the bot is only counting the page curation logs and not the page patrol logs (See [2]). Please tweak the bot code to fix this. Make sure that the pages aren't counted twice because of this (I've made that mistake before). Cheers! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Before I start patrolling I wanted to make some notes:

• The backlog drive leaderboard shows me at 344 patrols (updated 41 minutes ago)
• Wikipedia:Database reports/Top new article reviewers shows me as having 514 redirects over the past 24 hours

Thanks. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if this is the same issue, but none of mine are being counted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@DoubleGrazing, I can't find any reviews of redirects in either your page curation or your patrol logs. Could you please point me to a few redirects that you've reviewed during the drive? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strike that; I've found

Tele2 (Lithunia) in your patrol log (I confused them with their targets!). This would be because they only appear in the patrol log, not the page curation log; currently, the bot only checks from the page curation log. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply

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LOL :)) You know what? I didn't realise this whole drive is only about redirs, until you mentioned it now! (Note to self: RTFM!) I trust everyone else is better at taking in basic instructions. Anyway, thanks! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem; haha. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 12:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824: I thought the patrol logs were used for a wider variety of purposes, while the page curation logs would just contain NPP reviews. What kinds of logs would show up in the patrol log but not the page curation log? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tol, If you hide the page curation toolbar completely, you get a "Mark as patrolled" link somewhere near the bottom of the article/redirect. Clicking this would log to the patrol log. We count these too (along with the page-curation logs) for the annual NPP awards, and in this database report. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:24, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I usually use the mark as patrolled button on pages when adding redirect categories with

I compared that quarry query against the most recent update of the leaderboard.

While I'm clearly the most affected, there are others who's scores aren't accurate. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh, at the end of the drive, I will go through and get the database report for each person over the last 30 days and if the bot has more, then I’ll use that but if quarry has more, I’ll use that (on a user by user basis). Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 06:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zippybonzo: I don't think doing it manually at the end of the drive is an appropriate solution. The table, in its current state, is misleading. At this moment, the most recent version of the table shows @Ozzie10aaaa as 65 patrols behind me. In reality, based on the updated quarry query, they're actually 423 behind. I don't like the idea of the table being out of sync the entire drive and for the placements and overall numbers to change at the very end of the drive. I think some people would feel disheartened if they worked to be for, for instance, top 10 and then at the end of the drive a bunch of numbers change and they're suddenly 13th. It would also affect the work that some are putting in to try to achieve streak awards if some are just trying to pass a certain threshold.

@Tol: Would the GitHub code for updating Wikipedia:Database reports/Top new article reviewers be helpful? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

chasing Josh is not easy (he is fast and a very good editor/NPP) --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then people should use page curation, and then tag with Capricorn, or just set the bot to count any edits made by Capricorn as reviews. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 16:44, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why would people want to add the extra steps of marking the page as reviewed with page curation then adding redirect categories? That's more likely to dissuade people from actually tagging redirects. Just counting Capricorn edits would not work either, given that you can add redirect categories to pages no matter what the age (and I often do). Hey man im josh (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Josh, you know this, but for other participants: Please try tagging with the toolbar itself. In the same screen you can tag with the R-to or R-from templates, as well as mark the redirect as reviewed (with a checkbox). -MPGuy2824 (talk) 13:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I now see why this is happening, and am currently investigating how to add the patrol log to the count in the leaderboard. Does anybody know of situations where a log of patrolling a new page would appear in the page curation log but not the patrol log? (That is, should I just switch to the patrol log entirely, or would both need to be combined?) Tol (talk | contribs) @ 12:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Combined, please, while also making sure that the redirects are only counted once, if they are in both logs.

When you mark an article/redirect via the curation toolbar it is logged in the curation log (and sometimes additionally in the patrol log too). When you mark it via the "mark as patrolled" link, it only goes into the patrol log. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 13:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Mark as patrolled" and "mark as reviewed" don't correspond 1:1, and I haven't completely wrapped my head around the algorithm yet. I have some notes on it at Wikipedia:New pages patrol#Technical details, second to last bullet. I don't think we can make any broad statements such as "patrolling always marks as reviewed" (completely false) nor "reviewing always marks as patrolled" (mostly true, but I think there's some undocumented edge cases I haven't discovered yet, because I notice the logs don't always correspond). In general, the page curation log is almost always more accurate, and should be the preferred log. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh; interesting. I'll work on a fix for this. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 00:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have put together a patch so that the page curation and patrol logs are combined (without counting anything with the same title twice) to generate the leaderboard count. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Tol. Seems to work great. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 11:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That was fast. It hasn't even been 4 full days. For reference, the backlog was around 11.5K at the start of the drive. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please continue to ensure that article patrolling doesn’t suffer due to the influx of redirect patrols. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 06:39, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article backlog has actually gone down a bit since the drive started. We're still in a good range for the time being. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:26, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Under 6000 now. Wow, you folks are quick. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824, IMO, we shouldn't cancel the drive, but just lower the streak award requirements if there is aren't enough redirects to review, because there are hundreds being made each day. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 09:33, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer to delay this decision until the backlog goes under 1000. Don't want to declare victory too early. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:58, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Going by the current trend, the backlog will go under 100 either today or tomorrow. For the rest of the month, i kinda agree with you that we should keep the drive going. Hopefully some participants will get into a habit of reviewing some redirects daily. To make it easier to continue hitting the streak level, we could say that the rest of the month is Week3. (We should name the slices of time something else besides Week; maybe Period, or Session). Ok with you, Zippy? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824, Sure, I think that we should just continue as Week 3. @Tol, could you please change the week definitions. Thanks, Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 17:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

9396 reviews done, in total. Hey man im josh is at the top of the leaderboard, but all of the top 6 have over 600 in the last week. As of now, 26 participants are eligible for a streak award (min 28 reviews in the last week). The backlog has been reduced by almost 60% in this week (11536 to 4948). -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

6573 reviews done this week; 15767 since 1st May. Meena led the points tally for this week, but Hey man im josh still leads overall. As of now, 20 participants are still eligible for a streak award (min 28 reviews in both weeks). The backlog has been cut down from 4948 to 505, this week.

Announcement: Even though the redirect backlog has hit the "Very Low" territory, and there is a good chance of hitting 0 (or at least single digits), we've decided to continue the backlog, as there are ~400–500 new redirects created daily. This would hopefully get some participants to do a few redirect reviews daily, even after the drive ends. To make it easier to hit your goals, we're going to count the rest of the month as "Week 3", for the purposes of the Streak awards. Good job and happy reviewing!

P.S. If the backlog goes to single digits (hopefully 0) even momentarily, please take a screenshot, and put it on this talk page. Thanks. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just gone to 0 now, don't know how to screenshot it but just ran out of pages to review. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go. :) J947 † ^edits 21:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Woooooo!!! Good work, everyone!

By the way, I am noticing a discrepancy between the amount shown on screen (0) and the amount listed at the bottom (3 in the screenshot). Is one of them just slower to update? Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:47, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The bottom count is slightly slow to update. The backlog is at 0 again but the bottom count states '1'. – Meena • 23:16, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The stats section, at the bottom, has 10-minute caching, for performance reasons. So, it could be slightly outdated. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I spent a bit yesterday keeping the backlog at 0 so that we could have a screenshot where the number at the bottom also shows 0 (and without additional filters). Hey man im josh (talk) 13:06, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the screenshot, J947. Good job, all! Now everyone can continue patrolling at a slower pace.

You can also give time to aspects of redirect patrolling which don't count towards this drive's points:

1. RfDs
   : RfDs generally have different kinds of arguments v/s AfDs. So, if you aren't used to it, then read through the discussions of a few days' RfDs before you consider commenting on a newer one.
2. Redirect tagging: Take the time to add the relevant R-to or R-from tags. These are available in the PageCuration toolbar (where you can mark the redirect as reviewed at the same time ), in Twinkle, and in Capricorn. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect tagging is something I've been doing along with my patrols – especially with the backlog now cleared, I think this is something that reviewers that weren't already doing it should start doing. I'm still trying to get used to some things with them (while I'm here, for people's nicknames, should {{

Capricorn. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 08:10, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply

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R-from-short-name is when there is a redirect from say "Abc Xyz" to "Abc Def Ghi Xyz". For nicknames, R-from-alternate-name is what i would use. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:14, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you haven’t noticed, the backlog is at around 400, so any redirect reviews in the last few hours of the drive would be appreciated massively. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 18:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see how many I can grind out! Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like we ended at 271. Great work, all! Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

23851 reviews done in total. Hey man im josh is the points leader for the drive with 4183 points, but Meena, Greyzxq and Onel5969 also crossed the 2000-level. The backlog went to 0 (see section above) on the 16th, and we managed to keep it under 1000 for the rest of the month. Thank you to all who participated, and please continue reviewing redirects. Next step: Submission of CSD Logs (see next section). -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone who has participated, feel free to add {{Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives userbox|X}} to your user page. Replace X with the number of drives you have participated in. It would look like this:

This user has participated in 2 Backlog Drives with the New pages patrol.

-MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]