Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Serbia/Archive 4

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I would like to see the general opinion that people have about the creation of such page. Please see my last coment in the discussion page of the

Talk:Serbian Superliga 2008-09 . FkpCascais (talk

) 18:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)FkpCascais

I ran across a page on Milunka Savić (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), apparently a highly-decorated female soldier in World War I, and I think it has the potential to expand into a fascinating article -- if only its content could be verified and sourced. I'm not sure where to begin looking for primary sources on this individual (I don't speak Serbian), and I don't really have the time to devote to a major article expansion right now anyway (another, off-wiki research project is currently monopolizing my time), so perhaps someone with more expertise in Serbian military history might like to adopt the article and give it the tender, loving care it needs. --Dynaflow babble 23:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, in English is this better known as Kuća Cveća or House of flowers - also , [[House of Flowers is a disambiguation page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I stopped by this page when I was working on random articles correcting common typos and grammar errors.

I have done some initial copyediting and some minor format changes, and would like someone to stop by and make sure I haven't changed the meaning of any of the sentences. If I have, please correct me.

The combat history of this brigade is fascinating, and I invite any editors who might have access to reliable sources to add more references. --StaniStani  20:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

FYI.

Please give your views at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Ottoman Empire. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Želim samo da istaknem da ima tekstova, naročito o fudbalskim klubovima, u kojima su prevodi dosta čudni. Jako je dobro to da imamo napisanu istoriju tih klubova ali, čini mi se da ko ih piše, ne zna dobro običaje oko pisanja engleskog jezika. Konkretno, problem je u tome što neki tekstovi prevode imenice. Na primer, u članku o Borcu iz Čačka se ime kluba prevodi u "Fighter". Znam da je to kod nas, u nekim slučajevima, običaj, neka imena prevoditi, ali u engleskom, sa izuzetkom nekih bitnijih i korišćenijih imena, kao Crvena Zvezda>Red Star, to zaista nije običaj. Ima tu i mnogih drugih primera kao FK (Fudbalski Klub) masovno prevoditi u FC . Tome zaista nema potrebe i to nije uobičajeno. Takođe sam promenio neka imena igrača. Recimo, gruzijski fudbaler Čkarozija, u tekstu je bio napisan kao Ckarozija, u slučaju prelaska u neku drugu zemlju, sigurno neće ostati kao Ckarozija ili Čkarozija, nego mislim da je sigurnije imati u obzir način pisanja inostranih imena na engleskom, što bi u ovom slučaju bilo Chkarozia ili moguće Tchkarozia. Isti slučaj je sa ruskim igračem Radničkog iz Kragujevca Šikovcev-om, na engleskom sigurno neće biti Š/Sikovcev, nego Shikovtsev. Pošto je ovo engleska wikipedija, mislim da bi bilo dobro držati se nekih pravila: srpska imena pisati normalno, srpskom latinicom, pošto je to običaj na engleskom, a strana imena na način kako ga englezi pišu ( nije toliko teško otkriti kako se neka slova, kao rusko Ч prevode na Tch, a nikako na naše Č ili ostaviti C). Sa ovim nikako ne želim da pravim lošu kritiku, naprotiv, odlično je imati što više informacija o nama, ali bi onda bilo dobro da to neko "dotera" na engleskom, imajući uvek u obzir trud koji je neko, sa boljim ili lošijim znanjem engleskog jezika, imao kad je pisao te članke. Takođe želim da znam dali postoji interes od strane WikiProject Serbia da oceni, makar kao low interes, liste koje sam napravio, ili kako već to funkcioniše. FkpCascais (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.

The Transhumanist 00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I posted a question at

Thanks, kwami (talk) 08:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello! Do you think that

A debate is going in

I have started expanding the article on the Belgrade Metro. Help or suggestions would be appreciated. (LAz17 (talk) 23:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)).

Centralized discussion page set up to decide on a comprehensive naming convention about Macedonia-related naming practices is now inviting comments on a number of competing proposals from the community. Please register your opinions on the RfC subpages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I have asked this question in some talk pages, but I never obtained any answer.

• If Serbia is declared officially the successor of all the previous national teams (SCG,FRJ,SFRJ,KJ,K-SHS), why is in all the pages edited the text as if it is a new National Team we are talking about?
• If the Serbian Football Federation website counts the entire history of the national team, with the summatory of all the results, since the beggining, why are the pages edited the way that would do the people who doesn´t simpatize with Serbia, and doesn´t wish to recognize the official right that the Serbian National football team has over the past Yugoslav selections?

Can you also see the

I think that all you should review this article. It's entirely on the side of the Serbs. There isn't mention of the serbian massacres committed during the war in Croatia and Bosnia (such as Srebrenica massacre, Vukovar massacre and much more), presents the Serbs as "poor victims" of the "Croatian agression" in the Croatian war of Independence when was all the opposite!!! I can't be more indignant, the article is great lie! This is not a personnal attack against all you, only a mention of a article that not represent the truth and the reality (and you know it, in the wars nobody is a saint). Please change everything that is wrong, wikipedia shouldn't be a nationalist source. Greetings --190.172.249.228 (talk) 01:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

And other thing, there is a complete wrong map in the article the map that said Serb lands 950-1040 (the name of the picture is Eastern Roman Empire and in the article is put as Serb lands!). I think that you should change it. --190.172.249.228 (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

We could use some assistance from the Serbia project over here. I'm very suspicious of this article. Irbisgreif (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Artcile now fully referenced, but more help needed. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Found here; all users welcome to participate. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What was the first theatre in this country with professional actors of both genders? Who is counted as the first professional actor and actress respectively? Thank you in advance for those who can answer!--Aciram (talk) 22:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The net say the first modern theatre in the country was founded in 1861. What was it called? And who were the first actors and actresses there? I would be grateful if anyone could reply on my talkpage. Regards--Aciram (talk) 14:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I came across the article for

There is enough historical evidence and proof here on Wikipedia itself to build a detailed article on the subject. Such as the close relationship historic/cultural/ethnic between the two groups. As well as political parties in both nations, particularly in Montenegro supporting the idea. Let me know what you think. Bluewings 2:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I think its a great idea, particularly since I was looking for an article like that but could not find one anywhere. I'm a new user though so I'm still trying to figure out how this whole wikipedia thing works. Yugo91aesop (talk) 21:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I was born in Indiana but I was exchange student in Croatia, I also visited Kosovo, is it best that you guys separate after official referendum, that's what you are thinking?Good, most practical! Do you expect war? What part of serbia are you from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kosovo_map-en.svg River, a good border?

I came across that these are reliable sources from encyclopedia.com http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kosovo&diff=237017367&oldid=236979065 some dudes mkil and others have edit war over it, it used to say pyrrhic victory but also draw for the battle itself, in military terms. See what could be done about fixing this, it's up to you if you want this article corrected, as it was a draw, it took turks many decaded to conquer rest of serbia and balkans. I dont know your language well but I know enough to know what is a loss or a draw! Before making any changes there, agree here first! That article is totally messed up!

Your history of Serbia is very funny and false. Holocaust agaist Serbs is worse than one against the Jews. Don't you see that you start this page with slogan "Hang the Serbs on trees" (that was slogans of Croatian nazi Ustasha formation(.

I made a new article,

The article Požarevac Gymnasium is just a stub. If you are familiar with that school, could you please add references and additional information? -- Eastmain (talk) 02:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I am currently updating some of the functions in the edit window here in Wikipedia. Below the edit window we have a list of Cyrillic characters, so it should be easier to insert them in articles. That list is currently not complete, so I would need some help from some editors than can read and write Cyrillic. See MediaWiki talk:Edittools#Cyrillic (2).

Oh, and please don't start a discussion about the edittools here on this page, instead come to that page.

--David Göthberg (talk) 00:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I just had a quick browse through the templates at Category:Kosovo templates. An effort appears to have been made to present the issue of ROK recognition in a biased way via these templates. Obviously

• templates that deal with Kosovo as a whole should not have any emblems of the Republic of Kosovo.
• templates that deal with the Republic of Kosovo, such as
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  ) 17:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem of ethnicity in the Balkans is a very long story pertaining mostly to Hungarian hegemony, Croat hegemony, Serb hegemony and Ottoman hegemony. The actual ethnic problem of the Balkans is very peculiar considering that Austro-Hungary had a very long and open program of Hungarianization of Slavic peoples within the Austro-Hungarian empire. The hegemony coming from Hungary was severe and led to uprisings including the Croatian Ban Yosip Yelachich. The Ottomans pursued a very similar program with the muslims of the Ottoman empire to which George Kastrioti or Skender Bey led rebellions for Albanians, Omer Pasha Latas and Husein Beg Gradeshchevich for the Bosnians and many others. Once the ethnic cleansing conducted by Austro-Hungary in Bosnia's Lika and Dalmatia regions in 1867, Otto Von Bismarck's ethnic cleansing of Bosnia during the Congress of Berlin, Austro-Hungary's decree regarding the use of Bosnian Turkish script (arabic), naming themselves as bosnians, and declaring the naming of the bosnian language illegal, ethnic identity was suppressed for many Bosnians who were forced to declare themselves as Serbs, Croats, or Slovenes. The arrival of Tito and Yugoslavia changed nothing considering that there were more Bosnians in Yugoslavia than there were Slovenes and Macedonians combined, Bosnian national identity was again suppressed. When Tito finally realized that none of the Bosnians were declaring themselves Serbs, Croats, or Slovenes any longer, Tito gave them the name Muslim with a capital M so that they would not be identified with Bosnia.

The names of Bosnia and Croatia are their tribal names that they brought to the Balkans in the 6th century. The spreading of slavs came from what is today's poland and spread eastward and soutward. The Sorbs of Russia are probably the same tribe as the Serbs in Serbia while the Croats have a name similar to the last name of people in Poland, Horwat, and Poles have the last name of Vozniak similar to Bosniak. Bosniak is the ancient name of the national identity of the Bosnians.

Russians, Byelorussians, Ukrainians, Sorbs, Serbs, Slovenes, Croats, Bosnians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Montenegrins, Poles, Czechs, and Slovaks are ethnically the same people divided by hundreds of years of self rule. Unlike the recent Spanish language revolution lead by Spain to unify the Spanish speaking countries, the slavic languages changed individually with no attempt by any of the Slavic countries to unify the language. Although many words are the same today, it is very difficult to understand the languages between each other (divisions of Eastern slavonic, Souther Slavonic, and Western Slavonic understand each other more readily though).

The Serbian Kingdom however was not a real Kingdom until King Stevan Nemanja called the first crowned, sent his brother Savo to separate the Serbian Orthodox Church from the Greek Orthodox Church. Until the Separation, we regard the Serbian entity as residing under the Byzantine empire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.30.46 (talk) 22:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Ethnically Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians are the same people, Serbs. The Montenegrins and the Macedonians achieved their churches independence from the Serbian orthodox church within the last 150 years. The invention of the Montenegrin nationality was the work of Germany and Otto Von Bismarck during the Congress of Berlin in 1878 when Von Bismarck and the Kingdom of Germany wanted to rid the entire adriatic of Bosnian rule but they didn't want to expand the Serbs to the Sea just yet. The Bosnian cities of Bar, Boka Kotorska, Nikshich, Herceg Novi, Plav, Gusinje, Bijelo Polje, Ivangrad, and most importantly the capital city of Montenegro today Podgorica and others were handed over to the kingdom of Cetinje (a city state like the Republic of Dubrovnik). I'm not sure of the exact date of Separation of the Montenegrin Church from the Serbian church, but I believe that it was in the 19th century while Macedonia's separation was in the 20th century after ww II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.30.46 (talk) 22:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Good lord... Bosnian cities of Bar, Boka Kotorska (!) etc what are you talking about? The Bosnia was created in 1992. while Montenegro exists from 17th century, what the hell those towns and areas have to do with Bosnia? Also the orthodox church in Montenegro and Macedonia is still under the jurisdiction of Serbian patriarchate, there are canonically unrecognized Montengrin and Macedonian orthodox churches created couple of years ago but they have very small ground in those countries and lack international recognition by other orthodox churches. --Clanedstino (talk) 13:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Join! Join!

nodi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.44.248 (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC) Actually Kuršumlija, the old name White churches ( Bele crkve ) was named after the white, lead covered roofs on two 12.th century churches in the town, when the Turks came they renamed the town after those lead roofs. --Clanedstino (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)