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To-do list for 2012 Aurora theater shooting: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2024-02-13 Here are some tasks awaiting attention: WP:NFCC .

Changing the title to "2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting" was completely pointless, just as it was pointless to change the title of "1993 Aurora shooting" to "1993 Aurora, Colorado, shooting". There were no shootings in other places named Aurora in 1993 and 2012, or if there were, they were not notable enough to have Wikipedia articles. Whose idea was this? --

Fully concur. The year and name of city alone is sufficient to distinguish the various incidents. --Coolcaesar (talk) 22:22, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. And it would solve the awkward

2012 Aurora shooting should do it. Probably need another RM discussion to get there. Dicklyon (talk) 22:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I would think that the title should include the word, "Theater," i.e., 2012 Aurora theater shooting. Activist (talk) 20:26, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many mainstream sources are noted. Should not prioritize some sources and ignore others 172.58.230.156 (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If I remember rightly, text along these lines has been added and removed quite a few times in the past. One of the problems is

WP:DUE, because the court accepted in 2015 that Holmes was the only person responsible. Many of the conspiracy theories are based on media coverage from 2012 immediately after the shooting, and things have moved on since then.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Sources are well cited. DisuseKid was the primary proponent of deletion and he is an accused sockpuppeter. Many arguments were made on both sides but mkultra has become more common. A little ridiculous how Hardball with Chris Matthews' program's so dismissed by people who typically worship that sort of PC / MSNBC drivel 172.58.227.225 (talk) 16:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What worries me here is using sources that are all from 2012. Template:Current says "This article documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses, and initial news reports may be unreliable. The last updates to this article may not reflect the most current information." This is common with mass shootings, as the first 48 hours after the incident often have all sorts of claims being made that are subsequently disproved. As things stand, Holmes was the only person found to be responsible for the incident in a court of law. Per

WP:REDFLAG, there would need to be more up to date sourcing that there was some sort of conspiracy. I'm also worried that this looks like a resurrection of material that was previously rejected for addition.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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I'm with Ianmacm here. Please don't re-add the material. At most a small paragraph is needed, using only high quality sources. I think the fact that police were originally looking for possible multiple shooters (as is common) is relevant, but that can be added under "police response" just before the statement from the police chief that he was (now) confident the shooter acted alone. Hydromania (talk) 20:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also concerned about the age of many of the sources and don't think that they're reliable after this much time has passed without further support.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, Wikipedia's better today than when those adds were rejected. Secondly, has anyone here ever fought for something they truly believe in? The prevalence of mkultra lobbed at me literally dozens of times daily, and I'm really serious here, is alarming. Which do you consider "high quality" sources? 172.58.187.255 (talk) 02:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC) @Hydromania:[reply]

I was going to give a thought-out, well-composed response. Then I realized you basically just said we're mind controlled by the government. OK. (if you meant something else with "mkultra" please enlighten me.) Hydromania (talk) 02:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Forget about my reality for a second - it's more bizarre than anything I could ever make up.. Holmes' whole defense was based on insanity. Either internally or externally, he was definitely not right in the head at the time of the shooting. Presented as a well sourced theory, I think an mkultra plausible explanation is reasonable. The guy was found sitting at his car less than 20 yards away from the site mumbling - the most likely explanation's that an external source made him go loco.. 172.58.227.184 (talk) 23:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You said two things above that don't connect. Mind control and plausible. Occam's Razor doesn't even allow that theory as a possibility as it's never been scientifically proven. The most likely explanation is that his insanity didn't allow him to plan for anything after enacting his murderous fantasy; possibly because the voices in his head that were telling him what to do had gone silent. (I do not know if he's been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic or not, but it seems possible.)--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Leave it out. Don't care in the least about the IP's reality. I care about

WP:WEASEL. "It has been suggested that Holmes committed the shootings under the influence of CIA mind control and was an unwitting participant in the MKUltra CIA mind-control experiments." Suggested by whom? When? The program ended decades ago. The next sentence has a source (now dead), but so what if he took a prescription drug? Meters (talk) 00:20, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Agreed, we don't need fringe/looney theories in Wikipedia. WWGB (talk) 00:37, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There was some disagreement among psychiatrists about Holmes' mental state. He was diagnosed with

WP:REDFLAG territory, and should not be mentioned simply because someone claimed/believed that it had happened.[1]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:20, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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I have no objection to covering the medical issues, which I believe are adequately discussed in the article already. Meters (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Re this edit: I think this material was previously removed because it had problems like

Concur. That material is clearly a tangent and should be deleted. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]