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Natives of (the) Abruzzo/i

Removed list, which is even less complete than what we have elsewhere on Wikipedia, and replaced it by link to Category:Natives of the Abruzzo; among the beauties of the Category system is that it avoids barren and ever-lengthening lists on article pages, and that it updates automatically. St. Gabriel by the way was not an Abruzzese, but was born in Assisi. Bill 17:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Link to page about Atri

I added a page Atri, Abruzzo, but when I do a search in Wikipedia for "Atri", this reference does not come up. There is an article on a Greek god named "Atri". I have now found a stub for "Atri, Italy". I would like to know how to remove "Atri, Italy" to establish, Atri Abruzzo as the initial main article and to have it indexed so that the page is found in a search. Is this possible? JVian 20:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Location

The "Abruzzi" were often referred to as part of the Mezzogiorno, literally meaning half-day, a term used mainly to describe the Southern Italy. However, all of Abrusso's major cities are north of Rome as is at least three-quarters or more of Abruzzo's land mass. Thus, georgraphically there is no doubt that Abruzzo is in Central Italy. Why does the geographical confusion remain about Abruzzo's location? Molise the southern part of the Abruzzi does lie for the most part south of Rome, which perhaps is why the Abruzzi was often considered part of Italy's South. But with over 40 years since Abruzzo and Molise were split, the failure to recognize what is obvious from any map of Italy -- that Abruzzo is in Central Italy -- is odd to say the least. Some believe this stems from historical biases linked to the region's past poverty, a poverty shared by Italy's South. -- User:SilviaManno


Other places in wikipedia list it as southren as well as the Italian Census

--Nerdinthebasement 05:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abruzzo is considered il mezzogiorno because it was part of the Kingdom of Naples along with the rest of the southern part of the peninsula. It is historically and culturally distinct from Rome (although north of Rome geographically) and from Le Marche and Umbria. Rome, Umbria and Le Marche collectively constituted the "Papal States". The regione was apparently referred to as "mezzogiorno" (noon in Italian) by Garibaldi who conquered the Kingdom of Naples in 1860/61. Interestingly in Italy this region is also called Italia meridionale or il Meridione which actually means southern or south. Avvocato48 18:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think Abruzzo is suffering a simular fate as a the US State of Virginia where it is a southen state for two reasons one it belonged to another country the confedercy just as Aburzzo was part of the kingdom of namples and just as Virginia appears to be a centeral state it still has a very southren coluture. Nerdinthebasement 01:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also my family's immigration records list them as being southren and they are from Abruzzo Nerdinthebasement 01:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am from Abruzzo and I can tell you that this region is part of central Italy! I would like to remind you that the story does not determine the geographical location, then the header of this page is wrong.--Paolo Salazar (talk) 01:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

L'Aquila Province

The dialects of L'Aquila Province are not related with southern dialects, but are part of Osco-Umbrian family, such as the dialects of Latium, Umbria and a part of Marche. I removed the word "official" before dialects because dialects are never "official", but only a local way to spell Italian, without any official recognition. Italy recognize only Italian Language as official in the whole country and 12 official languages spoken by minorities: French, French-Provençal, Occitan, Catalan, Sardinian, German, Slovenian, Ladin, Greek, Serbian-Croatian, Furlan, Albanian. The Albanian recognized language is the variety spoken in Italy, which is different, I think, by the official one of Albania, known in Italy as "tosco". don't know if the recognized Greek is the "Demotiki" now official in Greece, or the older way, official in Greece until recent years.

anon, May 2007

Mezzorgorno, history of links with neighbouring regions

Finding Italian Roots by John Philip Colletta (Baltimore, 1993) at page 54 shows the Mezzogorno as "Southern Central Italy" and includes within it the lower half of Lazio. Garabaldi, who may have coined the term "Il Mezzogiorno" and certainly popularized its use, used the term to include all of Italy south of Rome. Poverty was a central feature of Il Mezzogiorno, a feature Abuzzo in the 1900s clearly shared.

Describing Abruzzo as culturally distinct from its neighbors in Lazio and Mache is accurate though many of Abruzzo's accents or dialects are closer to those areas (see discussion of dialects below) but it is also culturally distinct from regions to its south. The transhumance links Abruzzo to the South in that the sheep were herded south to winter but also to Tuscany in that the wool trade centered there. In the early 1300s merchants from Tuscany and Reiti built elegant homes in Aquila and played an imprtant role in that city's governance. The

Medicis came to own the Baronage of Carapelle in what is now in the Province of Aquila, the baronage previously having been owned by the Piccolomini
from Siena. Indeed, l'Aquila was sacked by Spanish troops around 1500 for its loyalty to France and two centuries later by French troops. Thus, the Province of Aquila, which comprises about half of Abruzzo's land mass, was the product of many cultural influences, Spanish, French, Tuscan. But Abuzzo's mountainous terrain and pastoral traditions made its culture unique.

--MGerety

Map is wrong

Regione_abruzzo_3.svg is wrong. It seems to comprehend Province of Isernia also, which is instead part of Molise. Can someone correct?--Gspinoza (talk) 17:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected it myself. --Gspinoza (talk) 13:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing word

The 2009 L'Aquila earthquake on 6 April 2009 led to a sharp economic slowdown, whose recovery, according to experts, is still rather.

There's a word missing at the end, isn't there? I would give it a shot but I cannot even guess what the word (presumably some adjective) might be. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 11:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tried to fix it somehow. --Ekki01 (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

History section needs revision

The current history section is difficult to follow and tends to concentrate overly on the origin of the region's name. Suggest that the history section needs to be revised. For example this link http://www.calascio.com/abruzzohist1.htm shows the sort of information and layout that would be better to read and more focused on the actual history of Abruzzo. CPES (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Southernmost glacier in Europe

There is a section on

Prokletije mountains is the southernmost glacier in Europe. If anyone can find a real citation saying which one is more southern, that would be helpful.-Apocheir (talk) 17:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply
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From what I've gathered, it's possible glaciers in Prokletije/Albanian Alps may be slightly farther south than Calderone, though we don't have a coordinate anywhere that I've seen for a specific glacier. Snezhnika in Bulgaria is indisputably farther south than both of them. However, the glaciers in Albania and Bulgaria are known as 'glacierets' in Snezhnika's case (described as a remnant of a former glacier) and 'glacial masses' in the case of Prokletije; the question of whether those qualify as glaciers is not in my bailiwick. There are definitely glacial lakes throughout Southeastern Europe, but there may not be active glaciers(?) I'd say we leave it until it's conclusively otherwise.73.248.126.206 (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further review of the sources, it appears the Albanian 'masses' are also referred to as glaciers, and while there aren't coordinates, the latitude would almost certainly be lower than Calderone. I changed it to 'one of the southernmost.'73.248.126.206 (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Abruzzo is Central Italy (Like Lazio) and Not Southern

Abruzzo is Central Italy and classifying it as Southern is a misclassification. Molise below it is also not considered Southern Italy. Campagna and Puglia are the gates of Southern Italy. Lstoller86 (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both
EUROSTAT state that Abruzzo and Molise are in Southern Italy, which is definitely a statistical area (not a geographical one).--3knolls (talk) 06:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Strange to use a geographical nomer to distinguish a place based on “statistical area” which means what exactly …population size ? If that’s what it means Why isn’t marche southern italy then ? I don’t know of any Italian who consider Abruzzo southern Italy. Central yes and definitely not north but not south.
ps 3knolls nothing personal…I have no doubts what you represented is the case 76.91.2.147 (talk) 20:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed that is not a rare case. E.g. Delaware is included in the Southern United States by the Census Bureau, although it's not geographically southern..--3knolls (talk) 06:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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