Talk:Ancient Chinese urban planning

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) 14:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC) nig — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8080:C100:6A84:6842:794:BF98:42A8 (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the basic framework I will expand more and include more illustrations later. The neolithic culture is described in great detail in order to create the cultural context for western readers to understand the philosophies which underlie urban planning principles in China; these ideas did not emerge from a vacuum. I ask that you respect this rationale and not edit it down needlessly, thanks.--Gurdjieff (talk) 17:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think some of the dates use the chronology of the bamboo annals as a source and may be off by about 20 years--Gurdjieff (talk) 23:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Prescribe" is pretty much the opposite of "proscribe". Don't ask me why; I don't know. 68.36.122.98 (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is absolutely the wrong image here. It's pretty, but (at best) it describes the capital of the Eastern Zhou and not the Xia or Shang. More likely, it's just arbitrary: the borders of Liang seem not to include the traditionally ascribed areas. We need an image of the 9 zhou, but it needs to be a different one. — LlywelynII 13:44, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would really love to see more comprehensive citations for this article. ˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaneEy (talk • contribs) 01:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have always seen this associated with the Lo Shu and Ho Tu and the only name I have ever seen in Chinese is the "Well Field" system (井田制度) what is the basis for calling this system anything other than the "Well Field" system? Please specify the chinese characters so we can have some confidence in the response. VR laopat

Hey I am thrilled someone finally took an interest in my article, but I am unhappy about recent changes. Whoever made them is coming at this from a chinese literature point of view. Which you will see reflected in sections where all the illustrations have been stripped away and a lot of article is driven by critiques and chronology of books and political history. I think some dates and book review are fine, but remember this is not an article about books or the history of China, people can get that elsewhere. This is about the design and construction of cities that happened to be in ancient china. I will add back all the illustrations that were lost, in many ways they are more meaningful than the long dry text descriptions of an illustration. Also on the point of clarity, I am doing full translations whenever possible. So please don't dazzle us with all your hanzi and pinyin, just give us the english name and then perhaps the chinese in parentheses afterward if it is of some great paramount importance. In the case of a lot a lot a lot of chinese primary texts you can just link back to the article which has the chinese hanzi and pinyin and dates and multiple names of the same book very well documented. Again people are coming to this article to learn about CITIES not about LITERATURE not about ARCHEOLOGY. the focus needs to be on urban planning and writing should be clear and uncluttered with lots of dates, pinyin, and political facts. the overall aim is to answer the question: How are ancient chinese cities put together?--Gurdjieff (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Several sources in translation with specific treatment of ancient Suzhou appear in

• Milburn, Olivia, ed. (2015), Urbanization in Early and Medieval China: Gazetteers for the City of Suzhou, Seattle: University of Washington Press{{citation}}: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (link).

specifically

• Anonymous, "Tales of the Lands of Wu [記吳地傳, Jì Wúdì Zhuàn]", in Milburn, Olivia, ed. (2015), Urbanization in Early and Medieval China: Gazetteers for the City of Suzhou, Seattle: University of Washington Press, pp. 39–58{{citation}}: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (link).
• Lu, Guangwei, "Record of the Lands of Wu [吳地記, Wúdì Jì]" {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |authormask= ignored (|author-mask= suggested) (help), in Milburn, Olivia, ed. (2015), Urbanization in Early and Medieval China: Gazetteers for the City of Suzhou, Seattle: University of Washington Press, pp. 59–88{{citation}}: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (link).
• Zhu, Changwen, "Supplementary Records to the Illustrated Guide to Wu Commandery [《吳郡圖經》續記, 《Wújùn Tújīng》 Xùjì]" {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |authormask= ignored (|author-mask= suggested) (help), in Milburn, Olivia, ed. (2015), Urbanization in Early and Medieval China: Gazetteers for the City of Suzhou, Seattle: University of Washington Press, pp. 89–208{{citation}}: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (link).

 — LlywelynII 21:55, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]